mohammdov
Nabadshe
There are other Arabs such as Beni Amer and Al Asorata And others . Do not forget that the official language in Eritrea has its origins in southern Arabia
The Arab tribes are the real laandheere
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Khaem
VIP
Yes and many Somali said the same thing going off that they're all Arab?
He was part of an arabized Nubian family that is all it says on his biography. But you have to claim him as a victory against ethiopia because there's no Arab that warred the horn let alone won a battle.
Khaem
VIP
They are basically .5s sxb
You are using the fact Tigre descends from sabean 3,000 years ago to prove a point about Arabs. Kulaha your booty clapping is actually crazy
Cush
Cushite Arab
This is not comparable to Somalis, who are all froma series of clans which are 1000 years old, whereas the Hilal, Sulaym, and numerous other tribes which were banished to North Africa come from pre Islamic tribes, over 2000 years old! Just fathom that!
That would mean, Darood and Hawiye X 100!
And when these Somali lineages were just 600 years old, they fought one of the mightiest empires in the world at the time and decimated them reaching Sudan
That would mean, Darood and Hawiye X 100!
And when these Somali lineages were just 600 years old, they fought one of the mightiest empires in the world at the time and decimated them reaching Sudan
Khaem
VIP
You cannot reason with this man, he has done nothing but try downplay Somalis and the Horn trying to slop on deghace .
Cush
Cushite Arab
I don't even think he's Somali what the hell is wrong with him
The Bani hilal map is exaggerated and inaccurate, the hilal were one of many Arab tribes who came to that region, they may have been the most prominent but they’re recorded as having a moderate population, certainly not enough to occupy all lands between the Najd and the Maghrib
Speak arabic.
Khaem
VIP
He's isaaq not Arab he can't speak a lick
Yeah I knew.
mohammdov
Nabadshe
Arabic is my first language, like any Somali Arab
No one other than top commanders like Abdi Ibrahim had firearms.
The disease that the Oromo mention to Richard Turnbull is human smallpox. This is likely just an excuse explaining their collapse. Smallpox was endemic in the Horn. The last place on earth where smallpox was eradicated was the Horn.
Darod took 160,000 sq km of land from Sub Saharan Africa's second largest ethnic group. That is ~2x the land inhabited by all of Isaaq btw. Not just any land, but the best cattle grazing land in the Horn.
No courage or intelligence? Laughable.
Men born in Qorahey died fighting on the slopes of Mt Kenya 900 km away.
These were the best warriors of all Somalis.
This is pure cope dude, not only did the Arabs invaded twice but the Egyptians, Romans and many others have invaded Nubia because it has multiple cataracts of the fertile nile and rich deposits of gold mines.
The Omani Arabs he was bragging about in a previous page had to rely on allying with Somalis to curb the influence of Oromos and control Swahilis:
“When most later observers recorded their visits to the Lamu archipelago and district, the powerful Oromo people, who could deal so arrogantly with their visitors, had been subdued and re- duced in number by the steady encroachments and sudden raids of Somali and Masai. This is a development which bears heavily on the history of Lamu district. Until the last third of the nine- teenth century, however, there was no group of people which influenced the political and economic activity of this area more than the Oromo . The Pokomo of the lower Tana River were vulner- able, sedentary cultivators; the Oromo were mobile pastoralists. The nomadic Boni and Sanye, equally mobile, were, if not the slaves of the Oromo, their dependent subordinates. Moreover,
the Swahili-speaking peoples and the Arabs and Asians of the islands and coast were Muslim, while the Oromo in the nineteenth century held to their traditional religion. The spiritual dis- tance and resulting fear and hate between these peoples was a basis for the unsettled state of affairs which prevailed in the Lamu hinterland throughout the nineteenth century”.
“ In the 1840s the Arabs reached an agreement with the Somali residents of Siyu, a move which was instrumental in subduing Bwana Mataka. They also saw the necessity of acquiring the cooperation of Mzee bin Seif, whose influence extended over much of the Bajun population. Mzee bin Seif may have emphasized his ethnic identity in his encounters with the Arabs, who were not completely familiar with Bajun numbers or their split allegiances. They dealt with him very carefully, overlooking such breaches as occurred in the 1870s.
It soon became clear to the Arabs that local power bases were
not stationary and that dissidents were as apt to disrupt Arab
goals through guerrilla warfare on the mainland as through more conventional means on the islands. In their attempts to destroy
the mainland bases of power, the Zanzibaris established themselves
on the mainland, through military garrisons. They forced the Nabahanis to retreat from Kau and later attacked them in the forest. Although they managed to gain control of the Tana-Ozi river system, military expeditions into remote areas proved futile because of the difficulty of fighting in unknown terrain far from the coast.
A more effective strategy, and one which closely followed the pattern established by other groups in the district, was the connection the Arabs formed with the pastoral Darod Somali of the mainland,
an alliance which brought the political affairs of the district to
a climax in the Oromo-Somali war of the late 1860s. In contrast to
the alliances made by Ahmed and Avatula, which overlooked religious diversity in order to achieve their goals, the Arab connection with
the Somalis was strengthened by the two parties’ mutual adherence
to Islam. Undoubtedly, the Zanzibari governors of Lamu used this
tie to its fullest advantage, sometimes stressing this feature
of their ethnicity in contrast to the unbelieving Oromo. One
example of such action was Sud bin Hamed's enforcement of harsh
Islamic law when dealing with the Oromo. The Arabs were also aware that Somali pastoralists were the only means at their disposal for attacking the Oromo, the key to political resistance in the district, who must be punished for aiding the Witu Swahilis. The Zanzibari”
“and the Darod Somalis were natural allies in another sense as well. While some individuals had lived or traded in Lamu district in previous decades, both groups were essentially outsiders, new elements in old conflicts which involved all peoples of the area. The Arabs eventually succeeded in upsetting the balance of power in the district, through the Somali defeat of the Oromo. Unfortunately this disruption of the balance of power also upset the economic benefits which the Zanzibaris hoped to reap.
Nineteenth-century conditions as well as the types of political systems found in Lamu district permitted an unusual degree of mobility in leadership. On the mainland, stateless societies
such as those of the Oromo and pastoral Somali allowed forceful individuals to wield extensive power in practice if not in theory.
Moreover, the social structure and situations of the Boni and watoro invited the direction of an aggressive outside leader.
On the islands, the town governments had histories of sporadic succession crises and family rivalries often leading to violence and disruption. During the nineteenth century, when Arab rule threatened Swahili society and the economic advantages of island- dwellers, loyalties were drawn to strong personages who could help the islanders retain their institutions—on the mainland, if necessary—just as earlier allegiances had been centered on stationary communities. Opportunities existed for individual leaders to gain power over multiethnic amalgams as well as over traditional communal groups and the factions within them”.
mohammdov
Nabadshe
I am talking about The African Rinderpest Panzooti The Oromo grazed cows and 90% of their livestock died, while the Somalis had camels This is what helped you. The Ogadis and some Oromo tribes were always fighting, and the Ogadis did not achieve such a victory. Rather, the reason was because famine struck the Oromo.
And it was not only Ogaden clans But share it with dagoodi,garre,gaaljecal,
Not why you mentioned Isaaq
but you should know that one of the reasons for the migration of the ogaden was their loss in haro garduur Then Reer Cabdulle crossed shabeele
In the past there was ogaden ciideed I am the one who lives in their land now . If these people are the bravest of Somalis, then I am braver than them because I defeated them and took All their geel And I defeated them at lafruug
Even jeer ugaas Ogden abaanduule We killed him in 1850s
The African Rinderpest Panzootic, 1888–1897
"The African Rinderpest Panzootic, 1888–1897" published on by Oxford University Press.
