Not surprised they sound aggressive, from what i've seen Magrebis especially Moroccans are actually aggressive.
Syrians speak better Arabic than Gulf Arabs?
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Not surprised they sound aggressive, from what i've seen Magrebis especially Moroccans are actually aggressive.
Syria was very advanced before assad family, until they came and made as their farmland, straight away he brought his family, cousins and relatives from tuulos from countryside to the capital. The corruption and nepotism skyrocketed. They held Syria as hostage. Switzerland of the east to a farmland to peasants
Pretty much.
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Break it down for us and give us some Suugo Science on the Arabic language.
In a way, you're not entirely wrong. The Levant is the original homeland of Arabic. The original Arabic speaking tribes seem to have expanded out of the general area of the southern Levant. The Arab historical story of 3adnan wa Qahtan has the story assed backwards. The original Arabs are the northern (Adnan) Arabs and the Arabized Arabs are the Yemeni/Southern Arabs who used to speak various West-Semitic languages (Himyaritic, Old-South-Arabian, Proto-Ethiosemitic and Modern South Arabian) before alongside some Arabic variants to their northern ends.
Arabic's historical trajectory was funny in that it originally expanded from the Levant into Arabia, colonized much of Arabia then with the advent of Islam absolutely exploded across Arabia and then back into the Levant and Mesopotamia where it usurped the dominant Aramaic and Greek.
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However, ability to speak the educated stuff (non-dialectal) is correlated to how good the education system was. Syria put the most emphasis on Fusha according to people who study MSA.
Some of them are even saying that Gulf Arab youth now prefer to speak English over Fusha and even use it communicate with Arabs from distant lands. Lol, just look how good @Shimbiris' English is and he is from Dubai.
Here in the UAE most Khaleejis still speak to other Arabs in Arabic and approach me speaking Arabic. Nobody really speaks Fus7a, though. If you do you'll probably amuse people or come off as a non-Arab who learned Arabic that way. I once heard a guy say "Why does he sound like text book?" when he heard a saaxiib speak Fus7a.
The dialects have honestly become fairly more mutually intelligible in my opinion through contact either in person or via media thanks to the modern world, and through most of their speakers learning Fus7a at school. A fluent, native level speaker of any dialect shouldn't struggle much with any other nowadays unless you're shit out of luck and are like a reer tuulo Khaleej who just met a reer tuulo Maghrebi.
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Here in the UAE most Khaleejis still speak to other Arabs in Arabic and approach me speaking Arabic. Nobody really speaks Fus7a, though. If you do you'll probably amuse people or come off as a non-Arab who learned Arabic that way. I once heard a guy say "Why does he sound like text book?" when he heard a saaxiib speak Fus7a.
The dialects have honestly become fairly more mutually intelligible in my opinion through contact either in person or via media thanks to the modern world, and through most of their speakers learning Fus7a at school. A fluent, native level speaker of any dialect shouldn't struggle much with any other nowadays unless you're shit out of luck and are like a reer tuulo Khaleej who just met a reer tuulo Maghrebi.
That's what I find really weird about the Arab world.
In France, Germany, and Italy they successfully implemented the ''textbook'' language (a purposely selected literary dialect) as an actual spoken language and mostly gotten rid of the dialectal ''people's'' varieties except for a few holdouts. Jews in Israel also did that with Hebrew, a dead bookish language that became the people's language.
Are Arabs just dumb or what's up with that? Seems weird to have a different language to write in and one to speak in. I can understand this would be the case in illiterate peasant societies, but in the digitized and advanced 21st century that's really odd.
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Years ago when I was yet a lad my hooyo and I were coming back from the orthodontist's when we ended up in an elevator with a millenial Khaleeji woman in an abaya with her toddler son and, acudhubillah, she spoke to the munchkin in crisp American English. My mother and I were proper perplexed as to why she would do such a thing. To this day I try to convince myself she assumed my mother and I were nacaasiin who couldn't speak Ingiriisi but the things she was saying to the boy were just so mundane and not worth hiding from us. I can't explain it away, wallahi. It shook my soul, niyahow. Americanized Khaleejis at our doorstep. That wiil might grow up speaking broken Arabic.
Years ago when I was yet a lad my hooyo and I were coming back from the orthodontist's when we ended up in an elevator with a millenial Khaleeji woman in an abaya with her toddler son and, acudhubillah, she spoke to the munchkin in crisp American English. My mother and I were proper perplexed as to why she would do such a thing. To this day I try to convince myself she assumed my mother and I were nacaasiin who couldn't speak Ingiriisi but the things she was saying to the boy were just so mundane and not worth hiding from us. I can't explain it away, wallahi. It shook my soul, niyahow. Americanized Khaleejis at our doorstep. That wiil might grow up speaking broken Arabic.
The worstIn the Arab world, Lebs have the worst rep.
We did it in Somalia too,even though it's was much easier because we have less dialects and accent variation . Written and spoken standard af soomaali is based on the north-central dialects, back in the days you could notice how radio speakers, announcers etc had little accent and spoke in a standard way. Even today tv anchors have this way of speaking, you won't hear a northerner speaking strict northern accent on TV.That's what I find really weird about the Arab world.
In France, Germany, and Italy they successfully implemented the ''textbook'' language (a purposely selected literary dialect) as an actual spoken language and mostly gotten rid of the dialectal ''people's'' varieties except for a few holdouts. Jews in Israel also did that with Hebrew, a dead bookish language that became the people's language.
Are Arabs just dumb or what's up with that? Seems weird to have a different language to write in and one to speak in. I can understand this would be the case in illiterate peasant societies, but in the digitized and advanced 21st century that's really odd.
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Isn't Tigrinya a Creole semetic language that's heavily influenced by cushitic. It'll be impossible for a majority cushitic speaking tribes from 2000 years ago to adopt a semetic dialect without heavily altering the language
It is like RP or formal language vs common dialect. Even Syria has many different dialects, if everyone started to speak in its own dialect it would be a mess. Imagine London makin the innit dialect the official one? Beside that why abandon a dialect (not a language) that everyone understand? Let along the prestigious and culture the fusha has, all the literature and poets are written in thatThat's what I find really weird about the Arab world.
In France, Germany, and Italy they successfully implemented the ''textbook'' language (a purposely selected literary dialect) as an actual spoken language and mostly gotten rid of the dialectal ''people's'' varieties except for a few holdouts. Jews in Israel also did that with Hebrew, a dead bookish language that became the people's language.
Are Arabs just dumb or what's up with that? Seems weird to have a different language to write in and one to speak in. I can understand this would be the case in illiterate peasant societies, but in the digitized and advanced 21st century that's really odd.
Well he doesn't sound Mudug but certainly doesn't have a thick northern accent either.
Standard somali is based on northern somali which as you correctly stated includes the varieties spoken in Somali Galbeed, NFD and Gedo but that's very broad. Reer PL speak differently from reer Hargeysa. I think the standard somali spoken in media is closer to what people speak in in parts of mudug , Galgaduud, Bari etc. I'm no expert though.
No. Tigrignya is semitic. I think you meant Amharic. There was infact some claims that Amharic is a Creole semitic cushitic language, this is a minority opinion though. Amharic is semitic in it's structure with a strong cushitic substratum derived from the agaw language and to some extent Oromo. infact Amharic lost the C, X, Q, KH sounds that are still present in Tigrinya, and even cushitic languages like Somali and Afar.
English is a good example to understand what happened. Even though it's German if language English is heavily influenced by latin languages especially French, the change happened relatively recently after the Normans conquered England in the middle ages. As a result old English sounds very different than modern English but nobody would claim English is a Creole latin-germanic language.
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I don't know how different cushitic tribes from 2,000 years ago would take on a semetic language without heavily influencing or altering the language. Africans and carribeans who were recently colonized all ended up speaking creole which is completely different than English or french
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