SWS addresses situation in Baidoa.

[Misil]

I'm Leysaan bro wbu?

I'm guessing Disow from the farkeeti profile picture.

Laftagareen is too funny. Man really said the clans should bring out their weapons and fight while him and his associates sit in Bayt Abu Sufyaan kkkk

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[abzmuumin1]

Laftagareen is too funny. Man really said the clans should bring out their weapons and fight while him and his associates sit in Bayt Abu Sufyaan kkkk

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Bro laftagareen is actually right. The only way we can defeat these guys is through every clan fighting. Daraawiishta KGS won't fight.

The reality the only way we can defeat is if sagaal and siyaad every clan takes them out of their degmos/tuulos.

 

[abzmuumin1]

Laftagareen is too funny. Man really said the clans should bring out their weapons and fight while him and his associates sit in Bayt Abu Sufyaan kkkk

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We need to create macawiisley like Xawaadle we can't carry on like thid

 

[Abdalla]

After Hutú kids shoved their inter FKD cantrabaqash on us, we’re now forced to read threads in Eelay on Eelay violence. But then again, hadaan Galmaax baranay yaa inoo diiday inaan Ree Reewin barano. Cajiib wacadalle

 

[GaradShabeel]

It was a short time LG was on the space, but the interesting part was his viewpoints on the timeline of making Baraawe fully the de-facto capital of KG. He said that the gov't partially works from there today, and currently building madaxtooyada and gov't institutions there. As soon as they are finished, KG gov't will make that move. He's hoping that it may occur by the end of this year or beginning of next year.

@bidenkulaha I told you about it. This is what you said

Don't forget that Barawe is the de-jure capital of KGS. Once that move finally occurs, they won't need to fight nobody. I see that LaftaGareen is already making preparations to bring over his entire 'entourage'. You know what that means

One other point if Barawe moves to KG, Xamar will be selecting KG politicians once it’s out of Ethiopian hands and deep in control of SNA. Could you imagine January’s Badbaado KG in Barawe I welcome LG to move but I doubt he has the balls.

 

[reer_ugaas_hussein]

It was a short time LG was on the space, but the interesting part was his viewpoints on the timeline of making Baraawe fully the de-facto capital of KG. He said that the gov't partially works from there today, and currently building madaxtooyada and gov't institutions there. As soon as they are finished, KG gov't will make that move. He's hoping that it may occur by the end of this year or next year, if that's when they're done.

@bidenkulaha I told you about it. This is what you said

I don't believe they will ever move the capital to baraawe, lower shabelle is not settled by them but by digil clans like tunni, jiddo etc and the militarily dominant hawiye, so at least for now they neither are a majority nor do they control it militarily. KG being a defacto rx ethnostate would never willingly move the capital to baraawe and diminish their own influence, no clan state would make a City not populated by them the capital

 

[bidenkulaha]

It was a short time LG was on the space, but the interesting part was his viewpoints on the timeline of making Baraawe fully the de-facto capital of KG. He said that the gov't partially works from there today, and currently building madaxtooyada and gov't institutions there. As soon as they are finished, KG gov't will make that move. He's hoping that it may occur by the end of this year or next year, if that's when they're done.

@bidenkulaha I told you about it. This is what you said

as long as KG’s next gov is split more equally I see it as a positive for Xamar/FGS. Away from ENDF is always beneficial for us. A Hawiye VP is way more likely in that scenario. LG has held off on picking a VP but the next president won’t if they settled in Barawe as Shabellaha Hoose is military dominated, literally every part of it by Hawiye SNA.

I don’t buy they’d be willing to give up all that power they have in baydhabo. Barawe isn’t a small city, they’d have to bring tens of thousands of ppl in and they’d still be massively outnumber miyi/baadiyo so easily go’don. It’s not realistic to think a few politicians moving there will change demographics, it’s like expecting QoorQoor to have turned Dhusamareb into Saleebaan city.

 

[bidenkulaha]

I don't believe they will ever move the capital to baraawe, lower shabelle is not settled by them but by digil clans like tunni, jiddo etc and the militarily dominant hawiye, so at least for now they neither are a majority nor do they control it militarily. KG being a defacto rx ethnostate would never willingly move the capital to baraawe and diminish their own influence, no clan state would make a City not populated by them the capital

Hawiye VP+shabellaha hoose becoming the strongest region and bay becoming an afterthought if it were to happen. Digil+hawiye eventually becoming the dominant force.

RX won’t give that up imo. LG is the last person who’d willingly move to Barawe imo. Remember when HSM was rumoured to want to replace him he quickly lent on Ethiopia to block any FGS attempt on Baydhabo.

At least I might’ve bought it if we’re talking about Shariif Saakin as he had good hawiye relationship.

 

[GaradShabeel]

I don't believe they will ever move the capital to baraawe, lower shabelle is not settled by them but by digil clans like tunni, jiddo etc and the militarily dominant hawiye, so at least for now they neither are a majority nor do they control it militarily. KG being a defacto rx ethnostate would never willingly move the capital to baraawe and diminish their own influence, no clan state would make a City not populated by them the capital

Yeah, I'm aware of the clans aspect. But I've followed him for a while and he seems determinant that it will happen given how he's repeated it many times now, irrespective of the outcome and the future of KG. He mentioned how the construction of gov't institutions recently began (madaxtooyada KG, xaruumaha wasaaradaha & barlamanka), which is what they are waiting on before finally settling there.

Here's the recorded twitter space. From 1:13:40 to 1:18:40, he's asked and talks about moving to Baraawe and the plans for Baraawe port.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

You are a Ethiopian your opinion is invalid.

Says the oromo that was brought to somalia in 1977 and settled in Bay.

 

[abzmuumin1]

I don't believe they will ever move the capital to baraawe, lower shabelle is not settled by them but by digil clans like tunni, jiddo etc and the militarily dominant hawiye, so at least for now they neither are a majority nor do they control it militarily. KG being a defacto rx ethnostate would never willingly move the capital to baraawe and diminish their own influence, no clan state would make a City not populated by them the capital

First of all you are dividing Digil and Mirifle which are one. Second of all you are not aware of the fact that Tunni and other digils are actually want SWS president to move to Baraawe ASAP. They also welcome Mirifles to settle and invest in Baraawe.

My subclan Leysaan have invested the most in Baraawe purchasing land and businesses. Once the SWS finally moves to Baraawe we will start settling there more and finito la musica..

 

[abzmuumin1]

as long as KG’s next gov is split more equally I see it as a positive for Xamar/FGS. Away from ENDF is always beneficial for us. A Hawiye VP is way more likely in that scenario. LG has held off on picking a VP but the next president won’t if they settled in Barawe as Shabellaha Hoose is military dominated, literally every part of it by Hawiye SNA.

I don’t buy they’d be willing to give up all that power they have in baydhabo. Barawe isn’t a small city, they’d have to bring tens of thousands of ppl in and they’d still be massively outnumber miyi/baadiyo so easily go’don. It’s not realistic to think a few politicians moving there will change demographics, it’s like expecting QoorQoor to have turned Dhusamareb into Saleebaan city.

Once the SWS government officially moves to Baraawe it's actually game over. The president will bring thousands of soldiers with him forget the civilians who will come for jobs and opportunities.

The demographics will change. The xaafads will be named Buulo Leysaan, Buulo Hadame and Buulo Luwaay,

 

[abzmuumin1]

Yeah, I'm aware of the clans aspect. But I've followed him for a while and he seems determinant that it will happen given how he's repeated it many times now, irrespective of the outcome and the future of KG. He mentioned how the construction of gov't institutions recently began (madaxtooyada KG, xaruumaha wasaaradaha & barlamanka), which is what they are waiting on before finally settling there.

Here's the recorded twitter space. From 1:13:40 to 1:18:40, he's asked and talks about moving to Baraawe and the plans for Baraawe port.

You are correct bro. Once the state oficially moves to Baraawe it's game over. There will be no more discussion on the ownership of Baraawe.

 

[bidenkulaha]

Once the SWS government officially moves to Baraawe it's actually game over. The president will bring thousands of soldiers with him forget the civilians who will come for jobs and opportunities.

The demographics will change. The xaafads will be named Buulo Leysaan, Buulo Hadame and Buulo Luwaay,

Thousands of soldiers will be based in… Barawe? Doing what? KG total doesn’t have thousands of soldiers.

SNA is the army here, and police is local. Darawish won’t be changing any demographics, let’s be realistic

 

[GaradShabeel]

You are correct bro. Once the state oficially moves to Baraawe it's game over. There will be no more discussion on the ownership of Baraawe.

Once the SWS government officially moves to Baraawe it's actually game over. The president will bring thousands of soldiers with him forget the civilians who will come for jobs and opportunities.

The demographics will change. The xaafads will be named Buulo Leysaan, Buulo Hadame and Buulo Luwaay,

I already told him, once LG (or next president if it derails) moves madaxtooyada to KG, his entire 'entourage' will follow suit: dowlad, ciidan, iyo shacab. Obviously not all at once, but it will happen gradually

 

[S4dioMane]

i can defo see the future demographics change if Barawe becomes SWS capital city. Look at Mogadishu how many RX are there huge numbers, Same will happen in Barawe if it becomes the capital city for SWS, the difference however is they’ll have power and influence they dont have in Mogadishu which will result in their domination not only by population.

Relying on ”hawiyo” like Biden is pure desperation. Aint no non HG who aint born there gone care about SWS capital city meanwhile RX will settle there in masses.

 

[bidenkulaha]

i can defo see the future demographics change if Barawe becomes SWS capital city. Look at Mogadishu how many RX are there huge numbers, Same will happen in Barawe if it becomes the capital city for SWS, the difference however is they’ll have power and influence they dont have in Mogadishu which will result in their domination not only by population.

Relying on ”hawiyo” like Biden is pure desperation. Aint no non HG who aint born there gone care about SWS capital city meanwhile RX will settle there in masses.

Barawe isn’t even about HG or anything. Most of shabellaha hoose’s HG influence is military. But we’re outnumbered by Mudulood, Gaaljecel.

Barawe is populated by abgaal, Murusade, hg (mostly Cayr) and hilibi Darandole. The city is hawiye dominated by a combination of military and population.

It’s also the case Hawiye dominate the route in and out of the place. To change demographics would require a lot and to change military dynamics is impossible. Just look at the last fighting in Barawe where KG darawish surrendered as they had no connection by land to Barawe while SNA had direct resupply and reinforcements from Marka, Afgoye, Xamar route.

It’s not in Kg interest to move closer to Xamar/shabellaha hoose. Gaaljecel will benefit, HG will benefit, Mudulood will benefit. And the FGS will benefit as Ethiopia is out of the picture. There’s more likelihood of hawiye SNA taking Baydhabo in post ENDF scenario than the other way round

 

[GaradShabeel]

Thousands of soldiers will be based in… Barawe? Doing what? KG total doesn’t have thousands of soldiers.

SNA is the army here, and police is local. Darawish won’t be changing any demographics, let’s be realistic

Barawe isn’t even about HG or anything. Most of shabellaha hoose’s HG influence is military. But we’re outnumbered by Mudulood, Gaaljecel.

Barawe is populated by abgaal, Murusade, hg (mostly Cayr) and hilibi Darandole. The city is hawiye dominated by a combination of military and population.

It’s also the case Hawiye dominate the route in and out of the place. To change demographics would require a lot and to change military dynamics is impossible. Just look at the last fighting in Barawe where KG darawish surrendered as they had no connection by land to Barawe while SNA had direct resupply and reinforcements from Marka, Afgoye, Xamar route

Changing the demographic is a stretch, if we're talking about an intentional demographic engineering using all resources available. That's not possible nor on the table.

The only aspect standing in the way for Mirifle today is technically your people, Hawiye, who military dominate Baraawe and AS having presence between Baraawe and Baydhabo. The most likely scenario will be them settling there gradually over time. Which is realistic, given how we've seen how D&M have moved in droves to Banaadir and Baydhabo over the last 15 years, in the millions, from their ancestral land.

With that said, Mirifles will be moving in large numbers towards the coast as Baraawe gains more significance with the KG state building. Especially if/once the state will (ever) be cleared of AS. As their population grows, so will their political influence. Them not military having presence isn't really important now. This is what I'm predicting, based on the given circumstances. We'll see if I'm right in due time

 

[abzmuumin1]

Thousands of soldiers will be based in… Barawe? Doing what? KG total doesn’t have thousands of soldiers.

SNA is the army here, and police is local. Darawish won’t be changing any demographics, let’s be realistic

Bro you guys were complaining about 80 darawish soldiers imagine if they come in the thousands

 

[abzmuumin1]

i can defo see the future demographics change if Barawe becomes SWS capital city. Look at Mogadishu how many RX are there huge numbers, Same will happen in Barawe if it becomes the capital city for SWS, the difference however is they’ll have power and influence they dont have in Mogadishu which will result in their domination not only by population.

Relying on ”hawiyo” like Biden is pure desperation. Aint no non HG who aint born there gone care about SWS capital city meanwhile RX will settle there in masses.

You hit the nail on the head. Rx will probably leave xamar for baraawe since it's better to live in a city your tribe have influence in compared to a city like Xamar controlled by hawiye.

That + a port and shabang Baraawe will become the biggest city in SW with business and opportunities.