Study on Ancient East Africans, 41 individuals from Ancient Kenya/Tanzania

Apollo

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Southern Africa used to be called Azania, no? It’s a greek word
Often they were Hellenized local names, but the people it referred to originally were Cushitic. See Factz' post.

Periplus of the Erythraean Sea took place around Jesus' time.
 
It’s crazy that Tanzania and Kenya were entirely Cushitic.
We can get Kenya back (Somali pop. increasing) but Tanzania is a lost cause tbh
 

Apollo

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It’s crazy that Tanzania and Kenya were entirely Cushitic.
We can get Kenya back (Somali pop. increasing) but Tanzania is a lost cause tbh
Taiwan was Austronesian (Malaysian-like) a few generations ago, but now it's all Han Chinese. Shit can go fast.

Or the most classic example: The Americas.
 
Taiwan was Austronesian (Malaysian-like) a few generations ago, but now it's all Han Chinese. Shit can go fast.

Or the most classic example: The Americas.
True its a survival of the fittest I guess
But I dont understand how bantus were able to overpower these groups and spread so far over Africa, its not like they had advanced technology. They literally came from the jungle
 

Apollo

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True its a survival of the fittest I guess
But I dont understand how bantus were able to overpower these groups and spread so far over Africa, its not like they had advanced technology. They literally came from the jungle
Bantus had better crops for the latitude.

Guns, germs, and steel. Jared Diamond's continental axis theory.

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While S.Cushites mainly kept it to pastoralism.

PS. The Nama Khoisan of Southern Africa received cattle, sheep, and goats from these S.Cushites, but still did not manage to become laandheer in Southern Africa vs the Xhosa/Zulu types.

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According to Greek travellers when they visited the Azanian coast, in Rhapta. They were tall reddish people. The Ethiopian highlanders are shorter with kinkier hair and have Omotic influence in their genepool.




Azanian lady collecting water from the well. You can see she is tall with a beautiful long hair. They probably resembled us the most.

Somalis do have reddish skin but "not the darker complected ones mentioned by Muslims"? Who is this referring to? Swahili coasters?
 

Apollo

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Somalis do have reddish skin but "not the darker complected ones mentioned by Muslims"? Who is this referring to? Swahili coasters?
It was a paraphrase. The second portion about ''what Muslim traders said'' is about the Zanj (as in the East Bantus we know today).
 
Ancient South Cushitic herders =

40 % Dinka-related ancestry + 40 % Chalcolithic Israeli-related ancestry + 20 % Mota-related ancestry.

First admixture date: between 5000-6000 years ago in northeastern Africa, and this admixed group mixed with local Mota-related foragers roughly 4000 years ago.
Did you even read it?


"To obtain quantitative inferences about the genetic relationships among the ancient and present-day individuals, we used qpAdm (35, 36), which provides a flexible framework for testing admixture models and estimating mixture proportions. Guided by the PCA, we began by using three groups of individuals—present-day Dinka (28), ancient Chalcolithic-period individuals from Israel (25), and the ~4500 BP forage from Mota, southern Ethiopia (24)—to represent distinct components of ancestry plausibly found in ancient and present-day eastern Africans, with present-day western Africans among the outgroups (21). We note that the use of these proxy groups in qpAdm modeling does not imply an assumption that they are directly ancestral to the true sources contributing to the individuals we analyzed. Instead, for a model to be properly formulated, the reference groups only need to be more closely related to the true sources than are the outgroups, without substantially different admixture (35). Thus, for example, ancestry related to the Chalcolithic Israel reference individuals could plausibly have originated anywhere in northeastern Africa or the Levant, and could have been present in northeastern Africa for many thousands of years. We use the Chalcolithic individuals in this study because we lack genetic data from a phylogenetically adjacent reference group from Egypt, Sudan/South Sudan, or the Horn."

Its just as likely that Chalcolitic Israel is East African. It cannot even be said that its from the Levant with certainty.
 

Apollo

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Its just as likely that Chalcolitic Israel is East African. It cannot even be said that its from the Levant with certainty.
It's not East African as in from Ethiopia or Somalia.

It is clearly from more northern areas (Egypt or Northern part of North Sudan).

Anyhow, there is no clear-cut genetic barrier between Ancient Egypt and Ancient South Levant. Let's not turn this is in another 9th billionth Egypt thread.
 
It's not East African as in from Ethiopia or Somalia.

It is clearly from more northern areas (Egypt or Northern part of North Sudan).

Anyhow, there is no clear-cut genetic barrier between Ancient Egypt and Ancient South Levant. Let's not turn this is in another 9th billionth Egypt thread.
No more Egypt. Now its the century of the Cushites! :it0tdo8:
:rejoice:
 

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Did you even read it?


"To obtain quantitative inferences about the genetic relationships among the ancient and present-day individuals, we used qpAdm (35, 36), which provides a flexible framework for testing admixture models and estimating mixture proportions. Guided by the PCA, we began by using three groups of individuals—present-day Dinka (28), ancient Chalcolithic-period individuals from Israel (25), and the ~4500 BP forage from Mota, southern Ethiopia (24)—to represent distinct components of ancestry plausibly found in ancient and present-day eastern Africans, with present-day western Africans among the outgroups (21). We note that the use of these proxy groups in qpAdm modeling does not imply an assumption that they are directly ancestral to the true sources contributing to the individuals we analyzed. Instead, for a model to be properly formulated, the reference groups only need to be more closely related to the true sources than are the outgroups, without substantially different admixture (35). Thus, for example, ancestry related to the Chalcolithic Israel reference individuals could plausibly have originated anywhere in northeastern Africa or the Levant, and could have been present in northeastern Africa for many thousands of years. We use the Chalcolithic individuals in this study because we lack genetic data from a phylogenetically adjacent reference group from Egypt, Sudan/South Sudan, or the Horn."

Its just as likely that Chalcolitic Israel is East African. It cannot even be said that its from the Levant with certainty.
What's with the antisemitism?

Why does the word "Israel" trigger you so much?
 
Cushitic people should be proud that once upon a time, we bordered Jewish people.

If only they mixed with us.
We did, tho. The oldest record of E1b1b-carriers were found in Isreal even. Modern carriers include such notable individuals like Einstein, Nicholas Cage, Sir David Attenborough, Hitler and Zinedine Zidane:salute:






Now all that remains is for us somalis is to become notable:damedamn:
Still trying to figure that part out.
 

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