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[Haragwaafi]

No because Mogadishu technically isn't really a capital. None of these clans where formally under a single kingdom and have there own centers or capitals. You literally have to dominate all the other groups like what isaaq did in the North to orginally form somaliland. I think personally that the isaaqs where retarded for stopping in what they call somaliand because they where in the best position to dominate all the clans at the start of the civil war when they secured somaliland. Them walking onto the capital and controlling each area on there way south would have been the equivalent of what the tutsis did.

Plus since they are not of Mogadishu it would have lead to none of the other clans rising up since it would lead to everyone turning on what ever group rose up to them because the clans in and around the southern region have more beef between each other and would rather see a third party in power as opposed to any of there other rivals. That would have worked if we wanted qabil to work alongside a stable somalia.

Regardless tho in this scenario a good leader with his people's interest in mind would be needed otherwise another civil war/coup would break out at some point.

Another option is absolute domination from one clan that completely breaks down the other clans and relocates and spread all the other clans thin. While facing out the whole clan system. That's kind of hard now because people are more educated now tho.

This "democracy" we have now simply won't work

About your point on SNM the movement has tried numerous times to attract large segments of Somali communities with establishing bases in southeast of Ethiopia to conduct border raids against the kacaan regime but that has failed as the regime also played the clan cards and heavily encouraged of bringing back old tribal rivalry between the community which is why in late 80s SNM completely allowed the newly formed Hawiye group USC to take on the responsibility to face the regime in central and south pf Somalia while they will just focus on the north.

 

[Odious Delirium]

About your point on SNM the movement has tried numerous times to attract large segments of Somali communities with establishing bases in southeast of Ethiopia to conduct border raids against the kacaan regime but that has failed as the regime also played the clan cards and heavily encouraged of bringing back old tribal rivalry between the community which is why in late 80s SNM completely allowed the newly formed Hawiye group USC to take on the responsibility to face the regime in central and south pf Somalia while they will just focus on the north.

The whole point was that they should have marched in themselves and people would have fell in line and that was the whole point they should have take advantage of the fact that wherever they went there would have been rivals squabbling and so they would be going in with the whole divide and conquer in mind. Basically they where in the best position to do so since no one in the North really challenged the isaaqs at the time and they had it secured so they would have only gained numbers instead of losing number compared to the other big clans.

No point telling others to do your dirty work for you when they have there own issues.

The tutuis took back there country with 300 men

Isaaqs had optimal conditions and strategic positioning with a lot more men to invade with. It would have been entirely a war on one front unlike with other clans if it came to that. plus all the locals in the areas they would go to would support a group they precived as fellow somali liberators. Each area towards Mogadishu that they would take over would have mean more men to help take over.

 

[Haragwaafi]

The whole point was that they should have marched in themselves and people would have fell in line and that was the whole point they should have take advantage of the fact that wherever they went there would have been rivals squabbling and so they would be going in with the whole divide and conquer in mind. Basically they where in the best position to do so since no one in the North really challenged the isaaqs at the time and they had it secured so they would have only gained numbers instead of losing number compared to the other big clans.

No point telling others to do your dirty work for you when they have there own issues.

The tutuis took back there country with 300 men

Isaaqs had optimal conditions and strategic positioning with a lot more men to invade with. It would have been entirely a war on one front unlike with other clans if it came to that. plus all the locals in the areas they would go to would support a group they precived as fellow somali liberators. Each area towards Mogadishu that they would take over would have mean more men to help take over.

Afweyne armed the clans in the north and no one within SNM wanted to enter a long clan civil war in east of Sanaag and Sool as the people there opposed the movement to come to their lands or towns even if we were will armed and stronger keeping those places under control is impossible task

 

[Odious Delirium]

Afweyne armed the clans in the north and no one within SNM wanted to enter a long clan civil war in east of Sanaag and Sool as the people there opposed the movement to come to their lands or towns even if we were will armed and stronger keeping those places under control is impossible task

It's not about keeping it under control it about simply securing them and moving fast to the capital. Controlling the capital as a clan from outside the capital would be the only thing that would have worked aswell as siding with groups along the way in there clan dispute to keep them in a deadlock until you secure the capital. Secure the capital only work for those not from the capital.

The point is to keep people on there toes and eventually it will become the status quo. Basically faking it to you make it. Kagami only took rawanda with 300 men because he actually tried if the humus wanted to and they where as opposed to the tutusis the could have taken back there country in the same hour it was taken from them.

 

[Haragwaafi]

It's not about keeping it under control it about simply securing them and moving fast to the capital. Controlling the capital as a clan from outside the capital would be the only thing that would have worked aswell as siding with groups along the way in there clan dispute to keep them in a deadlock until you secure the capital. Secure the capital only work for those not from the capital.

The point is to keep people on there toes and eventually it will become the status quo. Basically faking it to you make it. Kagami only took rawanda with 300 men because he actually tried if the humus wanted to and they where as opposed to the tutusis the could have taken back there country in the same hour it was taken from them.

A possible way for SNM to move to the capital easily was if they have formed a coalition or armed alliance between the opposition groups just like TPLF did that helped take Addis Ababa and topple the regime there.

 

[Odious Delirium]

A possible way for SNM to move to the capital easily was if they have formed a coalition or armed alliance between the opposition groups just like TPLF did that helped take Addis Ababa and topple the regime there.

Well that's basically what I said as they move towards the south that's what they would be doing along the way.

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

Tutsis dominate Rwanda economically and military their dominance won’t end anytime soon kagame actually wants horn of Africans to migrate to his country to integrate with his people and boost their numbers

 

[galhareeri]

Well that's basically what I said as they move towards the south that's what they would be doing along the way.

Bro u guys are so delusional.
@Step a side @conviction come here .
These two giys delusional u think isaaq had the might to over power usc group kkkkkk

 

[galhareeri]

A possible way for SNM to move to the capital easily was if they have formed a coalition or armed alliance between the opposition groups just like TPLF did that helped take Addis Ababa and topple the regime there.

Man i think u are so naive to think osaaq could that common they wont even have survived against ssdf rebels let alone hawiye largest clan in somalia kkk u are on delusional mode to think isaaq can militry defeat hawiye in 1991

 

[Haragwaafi]

Bro u guys are so delusional.
@Step a side @conviction come here .
These two giys delusional u think isaaq had the might to over power usc group kkkkkk

Thanks to Isaaqs USC were able to have armed wing headed by the veteran general Caydiid

 

[Odious Delirium]

Bro u guys are so delusional.
@Step a side @conviction come here .
These two giys delusional u think isaaq had the might to over power usc group kkkkkk

Anything was possible during the civil war

 

[Haragwaafi]

Man i think u are so naive to think osaaq could that common they wont even have survived against ssdf rebels let alone hawiye largest clan in somalia kkk u are on delusional mode to think isaaq can militry defeat hawiye in 1991

SSDF didn't have armed groups inside the country after they reconciled with the regime after their leader Cabdullahi Yuusuf being jailed by the Derg.

Before you replay to my comment is better to read it again to understand what I am trying to say sxb

 

[galhareeri]

Thanks to Isaaqs USC were able to have armed wing headed by the veteran general Caydiid

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Dude snmcp founder was cali wardhigleey kkk he became vice chairman later left to found usc .

 

[galhareeri]

Anything was possible during the civil war

Dude bue no way isaqq could defeat hawiye

 

[Odious Delirium]

Dude bue no way isaqq could defeat hawiye

We won't ever know neither did it necessarily have to happen.

Plus take off the qabil glasses none of these clans are invisible.

 

[galhareeri]

We won't ever know neither did it necessarily have to happen.

Plus take off the qabil glasses none of these clans are invisible.

Bro kkk u knowledge of civil war is limited isaaq today have more weapons more wealth more infrastracture they cant even beat ssc forces

 

[Odious Delirium]

Bro kkk u knowledge of civil war is limited isaaq today have more weapons more wealth more infrastracture they cant even beat ssc forces

Well everyone equally had less back then and everyone was fighting everyone that's the point. It's easier to fight people when you can divide and backdoor people. That should have been obvious enough looks like your the one that doesn't really know much. Less infrastructure means thing go along quicker. The less developed the easier it is to conquer.

Looks like you wanna turn this into some sort of qabil beef because I said something you didn't like so yeah I ain't interested in entertaining this convo anymore.

 

[Step a side]

USC was founded in Italy by Cali wardheegley. Cali wardhiigley (Murusade) led the USC, he was heir to the presidency if Afwayne was to be overthrown, after he died in Rome he was replaced by Ismail Jimcaale (Waceysle) who died shortly after, then leadership went to USC Mogadishu which was headed by Hashi Weheliya (Abakr Murusade) he died too in a bomb attack that killed him and Muse Boqor who were manifesto allies and very important figures that tried to cool down the violence. Then Ali Mahdi took the helm and by then Afwayne was overthrown thus giving Ali Mahdi the ultimate chance to take presidency. This succession of leadership in the group is why Abgaal and Murusade were initially allies, the military group fighting in the regions were mostly HG and XL, at first they did coordinate with USC Rome for example the capture of gaalkacyo in november 1989 by usc mutineers.

 

[Haragwaafi]

Anything was possible during the civil war

SNM could have become like TPLF to rule the country if like I said earlier, brought the opposition rebels under one group or umbrella similiar to Ethiopia's EPRDF but unfortunately everyone in the movement weren't thinking hard enough of what to do in post kacaan regime plus inside SNM and USC themselves weren't united as there was no ruling clique or clandestine that controlled the rebel groups like Isias Afwerki's EPRP in EPLF and Meles Zenawi's MLLT in TPLF.

 

[empressjamila]

Somalis can’t see the forest for the trees. Everything is about qabil, all the conflicts are centered around qabil

I honestly feel like if qabil didn’t exist Somalia would be a beautiful and functional country today. There are some benefits to the qabil system but honestly it’s been a net negative