Somalis still colonized in 2020

[Baruur]

It's fun seeing Somalis pretend that their leaders are Somalis. When they know deep down that their presidents and odayaal can't do anything.

We all know its the colonial governors in Halane who makes the decisions for us. Instead of discussing how to liberate our country from the vultures who are taking our resources at will. We're busy with "kismaayo annaga ree macalin baa iska leh Maya annaga MX/Harti baa iska leh.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

We can focus on developing our lands whilst protecting it from thieves, whether they're Somali or foreign.

It's called multi-tasking.

 

[Octavian]

with a president that can't walk out of his office building without having the ugandan army protecting him and amison being stationed in almost every region its kinda obvious that somalia is occupied by both foreigners and corrupt despots

 

[Baruur]

We can focus on developing our lands whilst protecting it from thieves, whether they're Somali or foreign.

It's called multi-tasking.

Doesn't look like you can protect

 

[Yukon_Niner]

We can focus on developing our lands whilst protecting it from thieves, whether they're Somali or foreign.

It's called multi-tasking.

This would make sense if the people who are meant to be developing lands weren't thieves.

And this goes for every damn shitty state in Somalia

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Doesn't look like you can protect

Somalilanders invited people to their land. I think their "elite" signed deals with Arabs.

 

[Baruur]

Somalilanders invited people to their land. I think their "elite" signed deals with Arabs.

Somali waa somali who cares if it's jubbaland or Somaliland

 

[Sloane Ranger]

Somali waa somali who cares if it's jubbaland or Somaliland

United we stand, divided we fall.

 

[DR OSMAN]

The colonialism problem is due to Somalis still uniting over colonial identity which they created called Somali and neglecting the fact we do not hold the same idealogies, aspirations which will lead to fragmentation and hence the return of colonialism.

We need a society that is free and equal as these are universal ideals that can unite somali people, but if we keep up this nonsense of somalinimo which is a colonial inheritance, we are playing into the hands of colonials. They probably want that knowing unity doesn't come thru language, ethnicity, religion, it comes thru uniting on respecting and protecting human rights only. Americans are not united because they are americans but because they want to protect their freedom. The unity is freedom of it's people not their nationality like these backward somalis still want to hold onto nationalism not knowing that nationalism is inherited from colonial era itself.

Waxad tihin dad maskaxda laga wada wasay and u r circulating around the same concepts of colonial era, of course u will u will be colonialized untill u change the somali idealogy that was inherited from colonialism or else be stuck in this rut for centuries.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Somali waa somali who cares if it's jubbaland or Somaliland

Ok... so, shall we storm Berbera together or what? What's the plan here

 

[DR OSMAN]

@PuntiteQueen at least u understood, they don't know they are playing at the hand of colonialism by speaking of Somalinimo, since it was inherited from colonialism. At one hand they say they hate colonialism yet they love the idealogy that came from colonialism. It is inconsistent statement, to reject colonialism, u must reject also somalinimo since somalinimo didn't exist before colonialism.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@PuntiteQueen what I find hilarious is Farmajo, he talks about how he hates shisheeye and colonialsim yet he preaches somalinimo which is directly from colonialism. War sade waa the dumbest people in somalia, at least ninkina iska qabta hadu umada caqlikooda ku xad gudbayo. Iskama gabanayan, way uu sacab tumayan proving bahashani waa cult not based on caqli.

 

[Baruur]

Ok... so, shall we storm Berbera together or what? What's the plan here

First start with Puntland huuno maalin cad baa nili dhiciyaa.

 

[Baruur]

@PuntiteQueen at least u understood, they don't know they are playing at the hand of colonialism by speaking of Somalinimo, since it was inherited from colonialism. At one hand they say they hate colonialism yet they love the idealogy that came from colonialism. It is inconsistent statement, to reject colonialism, u must reject also somalinimo since somalinimo didn't exist before colonialism.

Which idea is from colonialism? Mideeynta somalia was one of the darawiish goal but I Don't expect you to know Somali history.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Which idea is from colonialism? Mideeynta somalia was one of the darawiish goal but I Don't expect you to know Somali history.

Yes but the idea of mideynta somalia even though u r right it was a darwish idealogy it was in response to colonialism and defending the ottoman empire which was crumbling at the time, hence somalinimo is a legacy of colonialism. I think the darwish didn't have any intentions of creating a somali state but it's mandate was to defeat colonialism and only uniting somalis into a defence front, the idea of somalis being a state unfortunately falls on our shoulder the SYL. The SYL took the darwish idea and converted into a state when no-one even knows if the darwish goals was a somali state or was it merely defence pact like the adal days where somalis had defence pact to defend islam and we parted ways after that mandate ended. It could've been similar the darwish after the colonials left, they would've let each tribe to do it's own thing.

If u read carefully futuh al habash somalinimo miyaa jiray waryaa? they were identified along clan lines and their mandate was religious war only, not somalinimo, hence we know full well this idea didn't exist in recorded somali pre history.

Then we have more evidence from Majerten Sultanates operating as a kingdom and interacting with the world prior to the united nations which started to define borders based on colonialism and neglecting the old world that Majerten Kingdom operated in and developed long cultural, trade, security ties to other kingdoms of the time. Hence this idea of somalis being a state is very new to Somalis and it failed to work because it wasn't in our history to ever be a united state.

 

[Baruur]

Yes but the idea of mideynta somalia even though u r right it was a darwish idealogy it was in response to colonialism and defending the ottoman empire which was crumbling at the time, hence somalinimo is a legacy of colonialism. I think the darwish didn't have any intentions of creating a somali state but it's mandate was to defeat colonialism and only uniting somalis into a defence front, the idea of somalis being a state unfortunately falls on our shoulder the SYL. The SYL took the darwish idea and converted into a state when no-one even knows if the darwish goals was a somali state or was it merely defence pact like the adal days where somalis had defence pact to defend islam and we parted ways after that mandate ended. It could've been similar the darwish after the colonials left, they would've let each tribe to do it's own thing.

If u read carefully futuh al habash somalinimo miyaa jiray waryaa? they were identified along clan lines and their mandate was religious war only, not somalinimo, hence we know full well this idea didn't exist in recorded somali pre history.

Then we have more evidence from Majerten Sultanates operating as a kingdom and interacting with the world prior to the united nations which started to define borders based on colonialism and neglecting the old world that Majerten Kingdom operated in and developed long cultural, trade, security ties to other kingdoms of the time. Hence this idea of somalis being a state is very new to Somalis and it failed to work because it wasn't in our history to ever be a united state.

Futuh al xabash has nothing to do with somalinimo that was islamnimo and that's the goal insha Allah.

SYL baa iguu faaneeysaa naga aamus they did nothing for us, xaarki iyo kaadidi uu nooga tagay talyaanigi iyo ingriiska beey qaaten.

Somali are laangaab people to be honest at most their history waa imam gurey and then daraawiishta iyo the banaadir resistance other than that they have no history.
Ma garatay

 

[DR OSMAN]

Which idea is from colonialism? Mideeynta somalia was one of the darawiish goal but I Don't expect you to know Somali history.

PL cirka kama soo degan, it is legacy of the 91 civil war and the disagreement to form a national govt that is inclusive(the failed 97 cairo conference), there is always a pre-text to anything that is formed. Somalinimo cirka kama soo degan sxb, the pre-text was colonialism, it's inherited due to colonialism, if colonialism didn't exist, somalinimo wouldn't exist. Darwish created a defence pact among Somalis not a fucking state, that responsibility falls on the shoulder of the SYL who turned this defence pact into a national identity and I am the first to say it was a disastrous move. Even after adal sultnates they were not crazy to create a somali state because the time period then was religious states and somalis were identified along religious line and their duties were religious.

I guess we seen religious world era and that is over, we seen the old world era of kingdoms and only certain somali regions saw this period(majerteniya, warsangeli), then we saw the world of somalinimo and ethnic nationalism and that collapsed in 91.

Then we have the hawiye era from 91-2006 being total moryan, anarchy, state less and they returned to their old roots, and PL returned to it's old roots of governance.

I know this part will piss u off but oh it's true it's damn true



So Bring it waryaa

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Baruur you said secularism is an SYL philosophy? no the secularism syl promoted was fascism not human rights, sure they accommodated freedom of religion but it wasn't because they respected human rights but because they respected Somalinimo as superior idea to Islam. They replaced one identity idealogy for another identity idealogy.

I promote secular humanism idealogy not secular somalism, where human rights is the foundation of the state not a govt parroting an identity preservation or worse yet playing god and legislating laws of god onto people as if they are god themselves that sort of shit is horrific where a state takes on the shape of holiness lol. U r confused kid learn to know u will not enjoy any rights above anyone else irrespective of their religion or lack there-of. U can hate them all u want that is your choice but u won't start eliminating other people's right just because u don't agree, learn your role, futadada ilasho.

 

[Royalflush]

@Baruur you said secularism is an SYL philosophy? no the secularism syl promoted was fascism not human rights, sure they accommodated freedom of religion but it wasn't because they respected human rights but because they respected Somalinimo as superior idea to Islam. They replaced one identity idealogy for another identity idealogy.

I promote secular humanism idealogy not secular somalism, where human rights is the foundation of the state not a govt parroting an identity preservation or worse yet playing god and legislating laws of god onto people as if they are god themselves that sort of shit is horrific where a state takes on the shape of holiness lol. U r confused kid learn to know u will not enjoy any rights above anyone else irrespective of their religion or lack there-of. U can hate them all u want that is your choice but u won't start eliminating other people's right just because u don't agree, learn your role, futadada ilasho.

Why does this murtad still speak like do you not see he’s tryna make everyone doubt the true religion. Waryaa iska celiya neefkaan

 

[Baruur]

@Baruur you said secularism is an SYL philosophy? no the secularism syl promoted was fascism not human rights, sure they accommodated freedom of religion but it wasn't because they respected human rights but because they respected Somalinimo as superior idea to Islam. They replaced one identity idealogy for another identity idealogy.

I promote secular humanism idealogy not secular somalism, where human rights is the foundation of the state not a govt parroting an identity preservation or worse yet playing god and legislating laws of god onto people as if they are god themselves that sort of shit is horrific where a state takes on the shape of holiness lol. U r confused kid learn to know u will not enjoy any rights above anyone else irrespective of their religion or lack there-of. U can hate them all u want that is your choice but u won't start eliminating other people's right just because u don't agree, learn your role, futadada ilasho.

Somalia is for Muslims calaacalka jooji