Somaliland -Canada Gov's to Hold talks
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With blood and Iron will we reach the fatherland
No negotiation with rebels only absolute subjugation
No negotiation with rebels only absolute subjugation
That won't work. Diplomacy is the best option. Somaliland should try what it didn't for past 27 years. Talk to Somalia directly without outsiders involved. Somali to Somali. That method will most likely produce something useful for both.
end of the day it'll take the cadaans to mediate between Somalia and Somaliland.. somalilanders save yourself the embarrassment and work with us on a better Somalia.
Lordilord
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Did you really just write that down? Have you been following what has been happening these recent years? So many questions unanswered...
When it comes to democracy Somaliland > Somalia. Also the whole "stable" Somalia bullshit you are spewing is making me worried about you.
What action? Theres nothing you can do about it
My god that's a huge table, can they actually hear each other from one end to the other
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U dumbass we already negotiated and FGS broke the agreement . Can u get any more stupid
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Von
With blood and Iron will we reach the fatherland
How stupid can you be to believe that the FGS would honestly negotiate with separatist rebels? In the eyes of the Fed your no different than AK or Isis.U dumbass we already negotiated and FGS broke the agreement . Can u get any more stupid
Von
With blood and Iron will we reach the fatherland
@The Cushitic One come and collect your sister, she jumped out the plane of realityYou are either stupid Af or your trolling is lame Af
@Draco do you honestly believe that FGS will genuinely negotiation with what they see as separatists? what country on earth would do that?
I wrote that down certain of each word. Somalia is more stable than it used to be now. Undeniable fact on the ground. It is not perfect and the threat coming from bad actors who push their personal interests using their clans does exist, but overall, Somalis in their majority do accept the federal government to be legitimate and are represented in the parliament. Majority agree Farmaajo is their president. Majority wish to see Somalia succeed.
My statement of democratic Somalia and stable having more influence going forward over Somalland is a reality. And here is why:
A- Majority of Somalis in the south and a sizable clans in the North do not recognize Somaliland project. They see it as one clan or half clan agenda pushed without merit and for pernicious purposes.
B- When unity among the southerners gets stronger and the Federal government gets more stable, army gets rebuilt, border control gets established, people see the value of voting as better means than clan wars, the next big project is to go demand Somaliland come to the table. Remember I said majority of Somalis don't buy into a Somaliland project and see it as a colonial project pushed by a minority. This is the belief of every Somali outside your small bubble. Numbers are against you. So, you will have issues always moving forward and you have to be wary of Somalis. Is that a good thing for you?
C - Somalia will demand an open meeting where Warsangeli, Gudabiirsi, and Dhulbahante declare their allegiance either to Somalia or to Somaliland. This will happen with an army amassed on the border to ensure there is no intimidation to small clans in the North like before. If they choose to depart without them having to fear of attacks from a stronger clan that seems to be alone in pushing this colonial project, then so be it, And we know that is not going to happen ever.
It is a wait and see game bro. Enjoy your clan dreams and thrive, someday soon Somalis will come to you demanding a settlement. And there is nothing more blessed than the Somalia project. God approves of unity saxib and SOMALIS will have a case against any clan who wants to divide brethren and their lands.
Moral high ground matters and Somalis who leave behind the clan bigotry and want to live up to higher ideals will have the last say. I rest my case brother
Somalis haven't forgotten other Somalis in the North including Isaqs. It is their attachment to you folks that makes them despise the idea of a divided country. And note that these feelings towards Somaliland is not the same as wanting to deny the Isaqs what is their right. No sane Somali will support clan domination unless they are stupid or sick in the head.
Just don't equate a clan to Somalia. You lose that way.
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Lordilord
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You bring up meaningless points like that most Somali people do not recognize Somaliland but in reality the recognition of the rest of the Somali people is not really needed. It would help but it is not needed.I wrote that down certain of each word. Somalia is more stable than it used to be now. Undeniable fact on the ground. It is not perfect and the threat coming from bad actors who push their personal interests using their clans does exist, but overall, Somalis in their majority do accept the federal government to be legitimate and are represented in the parliament. Majority agree Farmaajo is their president. Majority wish to see Somalia succeed.
My statement of democratic Somalia and stable having more influence going forward over Somalland is a reality. And here is why:
A- Majority of Somalis in the south and a sizable clans in the North do not recognize Somaliland project. They see it as one clan or half clan agenda pushed without merit and for pernicious purposes.
B- When unity among the southerners gets stronger and the Federal government gets more stable, army gets rebuilt, border control gets established, people see the value of voting as better means than clan wars, the next big project is to go demand Somaliland come to the table. Remember I said majority of Somalis don't buy into a Somaliland project and see it as a colonial project pushed by a minority. This is the belief of every Somali outside your small bubble. Numbers are against you. So, you will have issues always moving forward and you have to be wary of Somalis. Is that a good thing for you?
C - Somalia will demand an open meeting where Warsangeli, Gudabiirsi, and Dhulbahante declare their allegiance either to Somalia or to Somaliland. This will happen with an army amassed on the border to ensure there is no intimidation to small clans in the North like before. If they choose to depart without them having to fear of attacks from a stronger clan that seems to be alone in pushing this colonial project, then so be it, And we know that is not going to happen ever.
It is a wait and see game bro. Enjoy your clan dreams and thrive, someday soon Somalis will come to you demanding a settlement. And there is nothing more blessed than the Somalia project. God approves of unity saxib and SOMALIS will have a case against any clan who wants to divide brethren and their lands.
Moral high ground matters and Somalis who leave behind the clan bigotry and want to live up to higher ideals will have the last say. I rest my case brother
Somalis haven't forgotten other Somalis in the North including Isaqs. It is their attachment to you folks that makes them despise the idea of a divided country. And note that these feelings towards Somaliland is not the same as wanting to deny the Isaqs what is their right. No sane Somali will support clan domination unless they are stupid or sick in the head.
Just don't equate a clan to Somalia. You lose that way.
The claim Somaliland has to statehood is based on colonialism and doesn't require the recognition of other Somali people. It doesn't matter how much the somali people from other regions cry about Somaliland.
You say the numbers are against us but those numbers don't really matter and also Somaliland consists of multiple clans which you already know.
Also you talk about Somalia having a case against Somaliland which is entirely false. I have mentioned this many times. The issue between Somalia and Somaliland goes something like this, Somalia has sovereignty over Somaliland but Somaliland has the better legal case.
You know about the UAE military base that is being built in Berbera I assume? Most countries would just put sanctions on that region or bring it up on an international court but since Somaliland has the better legal case they can't take it to court because it could indirectly lead to the court recognizing Somaliland claim to statehood.
If you don't know how Somaliland has better legal case please do some research before writing without facts. In short Somaliland got independence from England 1960 and the joined in an union with Italian Somalia which formed Somalia. Both states signed different union treaties and afterwards the Italian Somalia strong-armed the north allocating more power to the south.
Conveniently for Somaliland the treaty that they signed clearly states that they can willingly leave the union which happened 1991. Do your own research on it if you want to know more.
The whole part where you speak of the Somali army amassing in the northern border is quite confusing, now I know Somalia and Somaliland army is shit in general but I'm pretty sure we have more troops than all other Somali regions combined. More than a third of the budget is allocated to the Somaliland army.
War has no winners but if you are wondering why the government of Somalia is not sending troops to Somaliland is because they can't... Somalia doesn't have the manpower or the resources. Not that Somaliland is much better but you get my point.
If it's a wait and see game like you said Somaliland has gained far more than Somalia from just waiting. Bro a foreign state is building a military base in an unrecognized de facto state do you realize how controversial that is? They are also providing 2 billion $ worth of investments and on top of that the port deal with DP World.
In what world would Somalia win from this wait and see game? If anything they should do like Spain and brute force Somaliland to comply but we both know that's highly unlikely.
As far as the international community is concerned both Somalia and Somaliland has sovereignty over Somaliland but one sovereignty was usurped and considered illegal hence why they call it a de facto state.
Add to that the fact that Somaliland has a better legal case it is only a matter of time before Somaliland is recognized. We already have independence the only issue is recognition but to be honest that itself is not needed. Look at Taiwan for example.
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Do you not see a trend here? To my last point, you speak of unity but how can Somalia even try to demand unity from Somaliland when the rest of Somalia itself is not united?
Explain to me how it would benefit Somaliland to reunite with Somalia today? All you brought up is basically your opinion nothing was based on facts saaxib. Look at the map below from spoiler.
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