Somalia Was Still Poor During The Kacaan Era

That is in 1980's, after disastrous war, losing an ally and all its support especially on financial support.
Financial problems already began in mid 70s with Afweyne failed socialist economic policies that led to huge number of youth unemployment with many of them going to gulf states to get jobs in multinational companies or state ones with wages 10x higher what you will get back home and that was the beginning of Somalia economy being depended on remittances sent from oil rich gulf states.
 
Look at your blatant lie. You're claiming that Hilmaam is lying when you're countering him with a lie yourself, lol.

Kulaha most roads were built by FGS. What road have they built? For instance, the roads in SL and PL were either built by the Kacaan in some parts and mostly by themselves post 90s. Likewise in other parts of the country where they have to resort to crowdfunding from locals and diaspora. And don't claim development aid as FGS.
The infrastructure projects funding came from Arab gulf states grants or aids from other countries such as china that built the Mogadishu Theatre and the bridges in Hargeisa and Burco.
 

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When did sharmarke killed leelkase he was only president 2 years before he was killed by mohamud saleeban hitman October 1969
majerteen had govt on lock in 1960s. . Prime minister and president during most of decade. Most of SYL. Leelkase and Sacaad took looses during this time

This info was from my grandparents so leelkase point of view from long time ago. They said it was open season on leelkase during 1960s. Any squabble used to be between clans, but once y'all consolidated power it was govt forces and troops being used to settle beefs. This went on for many years. they also mentioned sharmake had some leelkase blood i dont remember details will ask next time i talk to them
 

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majerteen had govt on lock in 1960s. . Prime minister and president during most of decade. Most of SYL. Leelkase and Sacaad took looses during this time

This info was from my grandparents so leelkase point of view from long time ago. They said it was open season on leelkase during 1960s. Any squabble used to be between clans, but once y'all consolidated power it was govt forces and troops being used to settle beefs. This went on for many years. they also mentioned sharmake had some leelkase blood i dont remember details will ask next time i talk to them
the reason why my dad dislikes the kacaan is because he thought it was more peaceful when Mjs were stepping on everyone’s necks:deadrose:
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majerteen had govt on lock in 1960s. . Prime minister and president during most of decade. Most of SYL. Leelkase and Sacaad took looses during this time

This info was from my grandparents so leelkase point of view from long time ago. They said it was open season on leelkase during 1960s. Any squabble used to be between clans, but once y'all consolidated power it was govt forces and troops being used to settle beefs. This went on for many years. they also mentioned sharmake had some leelkase blood i dont remember details will ask next time i talk to them
Ur awoowe is blaming him for omar Mohamud vs leelkase war 1960 😅 same way they blaming for leelkase vs sacad war 2023 mudug for Hassan shieq
 
Yep it was poor. Only those looting government money or had access to LC bank loans to build businesses were okay. The rest were struggling.
 

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Ur awoowe is blaming him for omar Mohamud vs leelkase war 1960 😅 same way they blaming for leelkase vs sacad war 2023 mudug for Hassan shieq
lol maybe it was long time ago who knows but sharmake is hated i can tell you that for sure and was blamed for conflict

what leelkase said hassan sheik was responsible for that? It was guys like Mohamed S. Farole trying to politice the battle. HSM fighting for his life in lush middle shabelle he not worried about galdogob district. Low iq sacaad is behind the battle and now it will be open season on them till they are back to their land since they have bad etqiuette plus fihgting shabab

MJ was just as corrupt as barre during domination of govt during 60s. yall political class was getting rich and eating good during this period thats why there was peaceful coupe because people got tired of gumaysi


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lol somalis need strong authority send them ninjas to gulag who act up. lol thats how europeans became civilized hundreds of years of training by kings who f'd them up till they got rabayaad

SITEasdasddd get GIF
Nope, look at Farmaajo he stepped down despite the election being fraudulent backed by foreign special interest in Somalia, he had an army tenth of thousands loyal to him, most of the Somali people loyal to him.

democracy always trumps dictatorship, he made the right decision.

The SYL was very corrupt but even the most corrupt nation if its functioning I prefer that over a utopian dictatorship. We don't live in the age of feudal lords, you have to lead through consensus or at the very least through majority vote regardless if its corrupt or not and the term needs to have an end date, otherwise you open up pandoras box which is exactly what happened in 1991.

Somalis will only evolve through witnessing corruption and governments like HSM.
 

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@Hilmaam in a democratic system there is going to be very corrupt governments, but they all have end dates, and the more corrupt they are the more the pendulum will swing to the other side in future governments. Which means future governments could be more accountable and less corrupt. All of them having end dates is what really matters, not the voting in or the type of votes processes.

This is not the case in a dictatorship as it has no end date, regardless if its utopian or corrupt, it will end up with an explosion.

So a dictatorship is always bad.'

Take turkey for example, the military sometimes step in and unseats a government, but their military rule has an end date. Even though they are not elected they run the country. The Kacaan did not have an end date.
 

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Nope, look at Farmaajo he stepped down despite the election being fraudulent backed by foreign special interest in Somalia, he had an army tenth of thousands loyal to him, most of the Somali people loyal to him.

democracy always trumps dictatorship, he made the right decision.

The SYL was very corrupt but even the most corrupt nation if its functioning I prefer that over a utopian dictatorship. We don't live in the age of feudal lords, you have to lead through consensus or at the very least through majority vote regardless if its corrupt or not and the term needs to have an end date, otherwise you open up pandoras box which is exactly what happened in 1991.

Somalis will only evolve through witnessing corruption and governments like HSM.
I see what your saying but Farmaajo bad example. he had no power he was waste of 5 years. No progress on al shabab, no major projects to speak of, he was held hostage by hawiyee and wasted time sanctioning stable FMS like puntland and was neutered at end by Rooble. the guy promised to defeat al shabab and kick out amisoom and didnt make any progress towards that. I'm not big fan of HSM but at least i feel he is wielding his power somewhat and fighting to reclaim land.

I dont like democracy in country like somalia who cares what illiterate geeljire wants. If you had company would you want janitor and ceo having same voting rights on future i wouldnt. We waste millions on democracy and get close to brink of war for no reason, look at Puntland and somaliland. Plus FGS is not legitame in my eyes until shabab defeated and AMISOM kicked out we are still under anarchy from 1990 till today
 

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@Hilmaam in a democratic system there is going to be very corrupt governments, but they all have end dates, and the more corrupt they are the more the pendulum will swing to the other side in future governments. Which means future governments could be more accountable and less corrupt. All of them having end dates is what really matters, not the voting in or the type of votes processes.

This is not the case in a dictatorship as it has no end date, regardless if its utopian or corrupt, it will end up with an explosion.

So a dictatorship is always bad.'

Take turkey for example, the military sometimes step in and unseats a government, but their military rule has an end date. Even though they are not elected they run the country. The Kacaan did not have an end date.
Dictatorship has end date when ruler dies and next person steps up or is choosen. undemocratic works for countries like china and saudi arabia they dont have civil war every couple years. Yes they have issues but can be alot worse. Clan based uneducated society like ours i personally think democary big waste of time. Barre was 1 leader who failed towards the end but he is still best we had. its low bar but we will have better rullers in future
 
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