OPINION Somalia Needs To Learn Political Parties Knowledge

[DR OSMAN]

@Dalalos_ibn_Adali and me were discussing political parties and he claimed 'center left' is not about strong central authority when all socialists and communists were unitarian-strong central authority-top down governments be it hitler-mussolini-soviets, the hall-marks of 'strong central authority' lies with socialist and left wing and if your 'nationalist' promoting less federal rights, you are not right wing, just stop having 'fetish' with right wing when all u think it means is 'kkk and anti immigrant groups', when it's far from that.

Let me explain center left and center right. The 'center' is always about the structure of 'state organs' and if it's unitarian vs federal, since Somalia is purely 'federal' it's not about 'federal vs central' as that would cause full paradigm shift in comparison to how Somalia is, it's not about right vs left(unitarian vs federal).

Somalia is fully 'federal' there isn't a 'unitary' government and there is 'various governments', but that doesn't mean it's a full federalism of 'center right persuasion' which call for a 'loose central authority' where-as center left calls for 'stronger central authority'. If your nationalists and a federalist and prefer more 'centered' powerful federal government, you are 'center left'. If you prefer a government that is loose federalism with more state powers and less federal powers your 'center right'.

If your economic policy is socialist/capitalist is the second 'requirement' that defines 'center right and center left'. Since Somalia has a free market it's not about 'communism vs capitalism' since the market is 'free' it's about regulations and the more regulations in the economy and pro worker unionism means your 'center left' on economic policy, if your center right you want more business rights and less worker rights and less government interference. Then it comes down to 'social' policies like 'abortion, gay marriage, human rights, religious values' which define center left and center right with the center right about pro-life and no abortion-anti gay marriage-bible comes first not human rights. Then it's about immigration and refugee intake which define center left and center right.

So when Puntland establish parties it needs to make sure you tell us your political philosophy not just say 'federalist' since the nation is 'federal' but are you for federal member state powerful govt and weak or ceremonial central authority. Are u for capitalist or socialist market with regulations and do u care more for the workers to grow in wealth or businesses so we need an economic policy of your party. Then it's about social policies such as human rights, freedom vs 'shariah' because that is an important 'one' for me and I am definitely liberal on that matter. Then it's about yemeni/ethiopian immigration-IDPS matter which is going to be contested matter about their 'status' and 'rights' in our nation, So each party has to come with their manifesto on politics and cover at least the basic following;

1. Each party must declare their position on federalism if their for stronger state powers/duties/rights or federal govt powers/duties/rights
2. Each party must declare their economic position on capitalism-socialism as both are important and the establishment of workers union to bring our people out of abject poverty will require govt intervention on land prices subsidies, minimum wage laws, work conditions, health conditions of workers.
3. Each party must declare their position on freedom vs shariah, which is supreme and then human rights or 'shariah' as both are incompatible, it should create a center left or center paradigm this matter
4. Climate change policy is str8 forward as most people know it now but what is each party program going to do to end the 'desertification' of puntland,
5. Each party must declare their positions on social services
6. Each party must declare their 'security' policy be it regionally or federal
7. Each party must declare their education and health policies

Me and @farjano the absame economist had some tough debates around these matters, I am not sure if he has nudged on his economic positions as we discussed that a-lot but I also had some wild debates over freedom vs shariah, 'adam was free before shariah existed' was my argument and how can u have a religion without the establishment of freedom first as the 'law'. This got real heated with 'murtad this and that' thrown out which is great, that is the whole point of party politics for things to get heated, clans to go separate voting booths, etc.

I am also an 'ardent' secularist so there is many left wing views I hold, in-fact outside strong 'state rights over federal authority' and my views on 'economic policies being grafted towards creating a middle class thru govt regulations and unions'

No joke I am liberal in every policy field and nothing wrong with being liberal. I am not 'liberal' on 'security' though. I think security is 'first' priority be it policing-intelligence-military, waxasi 'cayaar iyo siyasad' ima gaasho, the rest is my political leanings in economics-social policies-state rights over federal rights political philosophy is also a huge 'winning point' for me from the center right.

So if we had to tick of DR Osman leaning, it would be 80% liberal and 20% center right but that center 'right' 20% is heavily 'important' to me in comparison to 80% where i am liberal. Like Puntland security first and loose federalism is 'huge' policy weight for me. Secular-Human rights-Freedom being the 'law' is also major 'left wing policies I hold'. So the doctor will like most voters review what is important on the day of election between different parties in puntland platform.

So I am 80% liberal on most things but the 20% where I am center right it's helluva important matters like 'state rights, security' but so is secularism-freedom-human rights are just as equally heavy in my 'party politics'. Social services like hospitals-roads-sanitation-ports-airports-parks-etc are all 'developmental' it's great a party has policy around this but it won't be huge 'decider' like secularism-human rights-freedom-security first-and state rights are like 'engrained in my soul', the rest are things that I can negiotate on but not those ones.

 

[DR OSMAN]

South central Somalis are usually 'center left' they want a strong central authority and reject stronger states over a federal authority. So the paradigm is 'center' they still want federalism but a weak state flavour just like the 'democrats' in America do against republicans. I am also monarchist I forgot to add that as that is another conservative policy.

So I am like most voters I am split on monarchy-strong security first policy-state rights vs my strong liberal views of secularism-socialist economics-human rights-freedom over religion-theocracies-ethno nationalism-extreme capitalism-nationalism.

I am also very development focused also and what each party offers in terms of development of infrastructure-schools-hospitals and bringing up PL HDI and human capital is extremely important selling point when I assess party politics in Puntland and their platform. I respect monarchy and isimo powers.

I am really split on center right vs center left but it will all come down to the time period and where PL is heading, geopolitics, regional dynamics, etc where I will vote.

 

[Jaale]

You don't have to be split on a label. They have been developed from European societies for hundreds of years and therefore have a lot of baggage with them.

My view is like a nomad grazing his camels. Eat and take what's good then move on to the next pasture.

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

My position is very clear and everyone who follows me knows it.

Form of government Federal model
Fiscal policy Capitalist
Socially Conservative

I am for bottom up politics for Oodwadag not Isirwadaag and I consider federal state themselves are too centralized such is the case with PL where all power is in Garowe, so much so that Goldogob cannot even democratically elect its own governor or DC, its a complete farce.

 

[DR OSMAN]

My position is very clear and everyone who follows me knows it.

Form of government Federal model
Fiscal policy Capitalist
Socially Conservative

I am for bottom up politics for Oodwadag not Isirwadaag and I consider federal state themselves are too centralized such is the case with PL where all power is in Garowe, so much so that Goldogob cannot even democratically elect its own governor or DC, its a complete farce.

Is your political philososphy 'top down or bottom up' as bottom up is center right and top down and the stunt farmaajo pulled in SW/GM/HL is top down and center left on federalism.

1. Economically I am socialist and believe in worker rights over business rights and believe in strong middle class being the base not the top 1% being the base and this can be achieved thru land subsidies, minimum wage laws, unions, worker and health conditions being human rights based.

2. Security wise I am 'security first' and prefer a strong puntland army-intelligence-police-and coastal force.

3. Social policy Laws must be grounded in freedom first not shariah under a human rights model not Islam model of 'believers vs disbelievers' as that is personal choice not a law. Freedom is the law not a choice. Religion should be relegated as your own personal choice not a state duty and why I am secular also.

4. I am also a believer in ISIMO power and respecting historical tribal institution in monarchy style similar to the emirate over this nonsensical farce of ethno nationalist republic style government.

Those above are big policy matters for the doctor and I will vote for which party in puntland addresses those policies. I can't wait for puntland multi parties when each party declares their policies around federation flavour-economic system-security policy-infrastructure development-social policy. I hope puntland does this @FBIsomalia waa in siyasad dhab ah ka hirgaasha puntland so it doesn't lead to SL shit fest of qabiil.

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

Is your political philososphy 'top down or bottom up' as bottom up is center right and top down and the stunt farmaajo pulled in SW/GM/HL is top down and center left on federalism.

1. Economically I am socialist and believe in worker rights over business rights and believe in strong middle class being the base not the top 1% being the base and this can be achieved thru land subsidies, minimum wage laws, unions, worker and health conditions being human rights based.

2. Security wise I am 'security first' and prefer a strong puntland army-intelligence-police-and coastal force.

3. Social policy Laws must be grounded in freedom first not shariah under a human rights model not Islam model of 'believers vs disbelievers' as that is personal choice not a law. Freedom is the law not a choice. Religion should be relegated as your own personal choice not a state duty and why I am secular also.

4. I am also a believer in ISIMO power and respecting historical tribal institution in monarchy style similar to the emirate over this nonsensical farce of ethno nationalist republic style government.

Those above are big policy matters for the doctor and I will vote for which party in puntland addresses those policies. I can't wait for puntland multi parties when each party declares their policies around federation flavour-economic system-security policy-infrastructure development-social policy. I hope puntland does this @FBIsomalia waa in siyasad dhab ah ka hirgaasha puntland so it doesn't lead to SL shit fest of qabiil.

1. I support state owned enterprise and monopoly in key specific industries like oil, gas etc industries that would not otherwise be possible for private companies create, but allow for private companies to sub contract. I support Federal tax but not the way it is now, currently only Mogadishu pays tax on imports, I want all FMS to pay tax on imports, on customs, a fixed amount going to the Federal tax coffers. FGS manages currency through national bank, and pegs it on the US dollar. I support private land ownership, hadaa dhul cabirati you take care of it, I leave that shit to the FMS, Gobols and Districts, but I support private land rights and traditional clan land rights.

2. Borders under FGS jurisdiction, as well as immigrations, National military with bases in each FMS, chain of command leading up to General Odawa and the elected President of the country. FMS have their own Darwiish and nabad sugid, there should be a balance and under normal circumstances answer only to FMS not to the FGS.

3. Social policy, Somalinimo restricted to Somalia not Somaliweyn, Somalinimo is our cultural, religious and clan institutions. Modernize it without major reforms.

4. Foreign policy this ties into the what I think of the fiscal policy as well as national integrity and independence, all should be managed by the FGS, nothing to do with FMS

5. Judicial, this should be independent from both the FGS and FMS, but there should be state courts and federal courts, laws passed and approved by respective parliament, the highest court should be the federal court which is where I say the balance can never be 50/50, it is should always have a decider so 51/49 balance.

The gist of what I wrote has long since been said by the President

 

[DR OSMAN]

1. I support state owned enterprise and monopoly in key specific industries like oil, gas etc industries that would not otherwise be possible for private companies create, but allow for private companies to sub contract. I support Federal tax but not the way it is now, currently only Mogadishu pays tax on imports, I want all FMS to pay tax on imports, on customs, a fixed amount going to the Federal tax coffers. FGS manages currency through national bank, and pegs it on the US dollar. I support private land ownership, hadaa dhul cabirati you take care of it, I leave that shit to the FMS, Gobols and Districts, but I support private land rights and traditional clan land rights.

2. Borders under FGS jurisdiction, as well as immigrations, National military with bases in each FMS, chain of command leading up to General Odawa and the elected President of the country. FMS have their own Darwiish and nabad sugid, there should be a balance and under normal circumstances answer only to FMS not to the FGS.

3. Social policy, Somalinimo restricted to Somalia not Somaliweyn, Somalinimo is our cultural, religious and clan institutions. Modernize it without major reforms.

4. Foreign policy this ties into the what I think of the fiscal policy as well as national integrity and independence, all should be managed by the FGS, nothing to do with FMS

5. Judicial, this should be independent from both the FGS and FMS, but there should be state courts and federal courts, laws passed and approved by respective parliament, the highest court should be the federal court which is where I say the balance can never be 50/50, it is should always have a decider so 51/49 balance.

The gist of what I wrote has long since been said by the President

What are you going to about the different generations in 'sade'? PL has independence generation they are fully retired from politics now and in their twilight years or dead. Then you got siyad barre generation or people that worked or studied under him, this is 'commy generation' and they are full inside puntland and somalia institutions and politics.

Then you got 'generation x'ers' like 'caynte' that murusade, and then generation y like me and ilhan omar who are center left on secularism-human rights and we believe religion is a choice in our world view not a law. We are also center right on bottom down federalism and less top down or minimal federal govt interference in state matters and duties.

We are also anti mellenial as this post bin laden generation who were born late 90s and early 2000's. These kids are in high school, highly religious, they are the ones bombing themselves everywhere and strict islamist, I see them everyday and there is total disconnect we have mentoring these ciyaal isqarxinayo like @libaac who is 17 years old.

Puntland next mellanials are already in the political scene like that majerten dude on youtube 'Iman Ali', you sade better catch up, cause we generation y'ers like ilhan and me are all in international institutions, companies, and government departments preparing to take over the helm once generation x'ers/siyad barre generation disappear from the scene and it's our generation. Each generation gets 30 years niyahow to do something, so u better prepare sade cuz when we generation y'ers come we COMING TO DO BIG REFORMS AND SHIFTING PUNTLAND INTO MIDDLE INCOME STATUS IS OUR GENERATION DUTY.

GENERATION SIYAD BARRE AND X 'ER DUTY IS TO SET UP FEDERALISM AND GOVT INSTITUTIONS AND RECOVERY TASKS. THE ECONOMIC TASKS WILL BE HANDED TO US AND BY THE TIME MELLENIALS COME WE WILL NURTURE THEM TO FOLLOW IN OUR FOOT STEPS AS GENERATION Y IS GOLDEN GENERATION WE HAD TUPAC-BIGGY-NAS-DIDDY-JAY Z-EMINEM-FITTY AND SO MUCH MORE, WE WILL ALSO BE THE GENERATION OF GOLDEN ERA OF SOMALI POLITICS IS MY VIEW POINT.

We know what somali warlord era looked like as we grew up in it, we know what the terrorist era looks like, we have strong diaspora who are first generation and productive in the west-arabia-africa. The ones who had dhaqan celin in warlord era and born in the west are ripped to rule somalia, as we know the culture of warlordism and we are already building up our credentials in western instutitons be it govt or international. That's why I can go 'FKD' and 'academic' at the same time, but these kids is-qarxinayo we need reshape their minds into 'center left' becuz most geneation y'ers are center left is well known.

I want my generation after me in mellenials to be like pitbull naarta hoosteeda style on somali clans and it's up to me and my generation to nurture them so they don't get fooled by other clan's and lies. We will mentor them about what it looked like when somalia had no government and teach them history class. I am pitbull half hawiye naarta hoosteeda

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

What are you going to about the different generations in 'sade'? PL has independence generation they are fully retired from politics now and in their twilight years or dead. Then you got siyad barre generation or people that worked or studied under him, this is 'commy generation' and they are full inside puntland and somalia institutions and politics.

Then you got 'generation x'ers' like 'caynte' that murusade, and then generation y like me and ilhan omar who are center left on secularism-human rights and we believe religion is a choice in our world view not a law. We are also center right on bottom down federalism and less top down or minimal federal govt interference in state matters and duties.

We are also anti mellenial as this post bin laden generation who were born late 90s and early 2000's. These kids are in high school, highly religious, they are the ones bombing themselves everywhere and strict islamist, I see them everyday and there is total disconnect we have mentoring these ciyaal isqarxinayo like @libaac who is 17 years old.

Puntland next mellanials are already in the political scene like that majerten dude on youtube 'Iman Ali', you sade better catch up, cause we generation y'ers like ilhan and me are all in international institutions, companies, and government departments preparing to take over the helm once generation x'ers/siyad barre generation disappear from the scene and it's our generation. Each generation gets 30 years niyahow to do something, so u better prepare sade cuz when we generation y'ers come we COMING TO DO BIG REFORMS AND SHIFTING PUNTLAND INTO MIDDLE INCOME STATUS IS OUR GENERATION DUTY.

GENERATION SIYAD BARRE AND X 'ER DUTY IS TO SET UP FEDERALISM AND GOVT INSTITUTIONS AND RECOVERY TASKS. THE ECONOMIC TASKS WILL BE HANDED TO US AND BY THE TIME MELLENIALS COME WE WILL NURTURE THEM TO FOLLOW IN OUR FOOT STEPS AS GENERATION Y IS GOLDEN GENERATION WE HAD TUPAC-BIGGY-NAS-DIDDY-JAY Z-EMINEM-FITTY AND SO MUCH MORE, WE WILL ALSO BE THE GENERATION OF GOLDEN ERA OF SOMALI POLITICS IS MY VIEW POINT.

We know what somali warlord era looked like as we grew up in it, we know what the terrorist era looks like, we have strong diaspora who are first generation and productive in the west-arabia-africa. The ones who had dhaqan celin in warlord era and born in the west are ripped to rule somalia, as we know the culture of warlordism and we are already building up our credentials in western instutitons be it govt or international. That's why I can go 'FKD' and 'academic' at the same time, but these kids is-qarxinayo we need reshape their minds into 'center left' becuz most geneation y'ers are center left is well known.

build a wall and keep them out of Somalia, we don't need to import the west byproducts.

As for MX I am NGM, which means the new generation, new policies etc, which means you are uneducated about us since you think we are centralist.

Libaac is not terrorist nor gaal, so don't know what you want from

 

[DR OSMAN]

build a wall and keep them out of Somalia, we don't need to import the west byproducts.

As for MX I am NGM, which means the new generation, new policies etc, which means you are uneducated about us since you think we are centralist.

Libaac is not terrorist nor gaal, so don't know what you want from

What bracket 'group' are new generation marehan are you 'generation x'ers, y'ers combined or is there siyad n syl generation involved' or is it purely generation 'x'ers' and your generation 'y'ers' are separate for later period.

Mellenials iska daa hada as their have no experience be it life experience, work experience, political or any economical capital yet doesn't exist. But they are very dangerous generation and if we don't take advantage of our time as generation x'ers and y'ers, they could send the nation into IRAN model where we are banned by international world, trade embargos, company sanctions, weapons embargo and political embargo as we won't be able to access any international company or institution.

I really fear if we generation x'ers and y'ers do not handle somalia and continue in this stalemate type of politics of every 4 years nothing being achieved this is ripe for somalia to turn into a terrorist nation and then we going to get carpet bombed like afghanistan and iraq did by the west. Their only doing drone strikes as these vermins are hiding out in civilian or rural areas but if they get power in somalia then they will carpet bomb all their facilities and lots of lives will be lost, hawiye moryans graduated to af-duuban terrorists from 2006 till 2021, this generation are all mellenials who are the foot soldiers with a slim 'generation x'er and y'ers' as leadership who are using islam as a mashruc to get into power and their brainwashing mellenials.

We center left and center right need to put aside our difference and nurture mellenials not follow our 'rogue elements of generation y'ers and x'ers' who are terror inspired cause their jealous 'gaalo are rich and powerful' but 'gaalo' worked hard is what they don't tell these melleniaals and your ass needs to work hard. I am 10 years in foreign affairs and only assistant director, i am working my butt off to get a masters in foreign affairs and switching from IT, why? that's how it is in life, you need to 'earn' your status, nothing is given for free. If I want to reach CIO-CSO-CEO, I have to put in the 'effort' to grow myself not sit there and die in my job, nothing comes easy if you want to be apart of the 'board of executive'. That will be me A CIO OR CSO OF AUSTRALIAN FOREIGN AFFAIRS DEPARTMENT

I am not satisfied with my 'agasiime ku xigeen' which is 'assistant director' role but if i want to become 'agaasime' ama 'executive director' then there is path way and if I want to become 'C grade' officer it requires different skills such as visions, strategies, seeing in the future and putting in place tools-people-processes towards the vision.

U think if I go to Somalia I will take an 'agassime' role hell no? hada ayaanba 'agaasime ku xigeen ahay' and im 35, im eyeing for nothing less then C grade position and in Somalia I wouldn't bother with even ministry, I would go and run for president and set up this structure of institutionl excellence like in the western world. I am not even 50 but by the time I am, I will be CIO without a doubt maybe not foreign affairs as that is 'tough gig' but in corporate world of major banks or smaller 'agency' in government.

Please Sade as new generation marehan u better bring good competition as generation y'ers are first generation western born, and lots of us had our dhaqan celin in the late 90s so we know somali mind-set, agendas, flaws, and tricks, so there is nothing you can use from somali culture to fool us plus we are setting up our resume to have degrees-masters and phd in majerten.

I feel sorry for old generation marehan thinking their is competition between us, your alliance with HAG is what is going to bring u down as their the lowest group in the diaspora same with isaaq and your taking in NGO officers hsm- macalin dugsi like sharif, that is low calibre to 'ally' with, abgaalki hore ma joggo niyahow, most of their people are dead from 4 month war and all that is left among them is macalin dugsi base or ngo officers. Forget HG never heard of a successful habar gedir in the diaspora

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

I can tell you NGM isn't an age group but rather a mentality, target audience is 18-30.

I am a business man, I don't give out business secretes so why would you expect me to give out confidential clan secretes to a shisheeye. I am also no leader, and recognize those who are leaders aren't NGM, so I am pushing my ideas and arguments on them to reeducate them, and hopefully lead the ripe young minds.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I can tell you NGM isn't an age group but rather a mentality, target audience is 18-30.

I am a business man, I don't give out business secretes so why would you expect me to give out confidential clan secretes to a shisheeye. I am also no leader, and recognize those who are leaders aren't NGM, so I am pushing my ideas and arguments on them to reeducate them, and hopefully lead the ripe young minds.

Oh so you want the 18-30 bracket so that is a mix of 1991-2021 bracket, those are mellenials ama 'later y'ers' very 'late' though. Mellenials from mid 90s-2001 are the ones u see today in high schools-university studies and they are post bin laden generation and highly religious as they grew up in a time period of heavy 'islamic content' being pushed by islamists.

PL generation of 'x'ers and y'ers' are very similar in political outlook being federalism and 'bottom down' not top 'up'. We are not similar in our 'social policies' as freedom comes before religion is our view, adam was given 'freedom first not religion first' he can choose religion or reject it after-wards but the first 'gift' god gave man was 'freedom' to make a 'decision' and we strongly disagree with Islam being a law when Islam is a personal choice one makes not a 'law' or 'shariah' being imposed, people need to choose 'shariah' not have it imposed.

I am not sure what the hell Islam is doing in government ministries, Islam isn't a 'state' it's a religion and if u love it keep it to yourself and don't cross into the next somali who doesn't want anything to do with it as their exercising their free will also to reject islam just like you exercised your free will to accept islam.

It will be interesting if your NGM is come, Do u have an example of new generation Marehan? kab iyo lax is like 90% of 'darod' and sade is 5% and 5% is leelkase-awrtable, 'sahal' club have u seen that 'generation x'er' club, they created 'sahal' alliance which is to ensure politics remains within 'acceptable' guidelines and escalation levels and not cross into crazed escalation levels of 'hag or snm' style politics where these niggas will actually destroy their cities to fight darod like they did in in 91 and 88