Somalia Is A Arab Nation

[Mugi]

All my African bros want to join the Arab League

I don't want Chad joining; no Nilo-Saharan majority State should join

i mean don't many people in south sudan speak arabic? Just join the arab league too. There are in fact arabs that are for a membership of south sudan.
https://www.arabnews.com/node/1267696

 

[Nilotic]

i mean don't many people in south sudan speak arabic? Just join the arab league too

No way, walaal; we have great relations with the Governments of Egypt and Morocco, but joining the Arab League is a step too far.

 

[GemState]

Why, saaxiib?

A lot speak Arabic in Chad & Tigrinya and Tigre are closer to the old Ge’ez language which sound pretty much identical to Arabic.

Also, you need a sponsor to develop, except China the only entity resembling civilization near Africa that is interested in acting as a sponsor for development is the GCC.

 

[reer]

No way, walaal; we have great relations with the Governments of Egypt and Morocco, but joining the Arab League is a step too far.

the largest mother tongue is arabic in chad. the arabs of chad are somewhat an extension of north sudan.

 

[Shimbiris]

the largest mother tongue is arabic in chad. the arabs of chad are somewhat an extension of north sudan.

Chad really should have joined in Somalia's place. And you are correct. Chadian Arabs are very much a cultural extension of the Arabized Nubians/Cushites of Sudan. They even use the same mat-tents Somali nomads do and histrorically dressed in the white tobes our ancestors and those of various Ethiopians, Xabashis included, used to:

Baqqara Arabs, who are quite predominant in Chad are also quite common in Sudan. And the cool thing about those chaps is that they were historically cattle pastoralists who also rode their cattle (hence the name "Baqqara") which seems to be a very ancient Cushitic practice depicted even in cave paintings in Somalia:

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/early-cushites-rode-oxen.111664/

A Rizeighat horseman (Chadian Arabic speakers):

Compare him to these charging horsemen all the way in what is now Puntland around the same time period:

Waa our kin.

 

[reer]

@Shimbiris

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[Nilotic]

A lot speak Arabic in Chad & Tigrinya and Tigre are closer to the old Ge’ez language which sound pretty much identical to Arabic.

Yeah, a lot of Chadians speak Arabic, but is that really the only basis for joining the Arab League?

Also, you need a sponsor to develop, except China the only entity resembling civilization near Africa that is interested in acting as a sponsor for development is the GCC.

There may be a great deal of merit to that, but ask some Northerners (Sudanese) and they'll tell you that Gulf States are prone to meddling.

 

[Shimbiris]

@Shimbiris

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Yes, we share many cultural roots with Arabians. Some of it I think is inherited through influence hence words like qabiil but some is also some sort of ancient Afro-Asiatic holdout that is also found in various Berbers and other Horners such as the aversion toward crafts and hard-labor, the fish taboo and the love of poetry perhaps as well.

However, to be fair, Somali nomads are more materially similar to Sahelian and other Cushitic nomads when you look at their historical attire, cultural implements and tents; the domed, woven plant fiber covered tents whereas Arabs normally used the poled goat-hair tents found across the Middle-East, South-Central Asia and North-Africa but yes, we are very much culturally extremely similar overall.

 

[Garaad diinle]

Chad really should have joined in Somalia's place. And you are correct. Chadian Arabs are very much a cultural extension of the Arabized Nubians/Cushites of Sudan. They even use the same mat-tents Somali nomads do and histrorically dressed in the white tobes our ancestors and those of various Ethiopians, Xabashis included, used to:

Baqqara Arabs, who are quite predominant in Chad are also quite common in Sudan. And the cool thing about those chaps is that they were historically cattle pastoralists who also rode their cattle (hence the name "Baqqara") which seems to be a very ancient Cushitic practice depicted even in cave paintings in Somalia:

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/early-cushites-rode-oxen.111664/

A Rizeighat horseman (Chadian Arabic speakers):

Compare him to these charging horsemen all the way in what is now Puntland around the same time period:

Waa our kin.

Yoooooo that picture with the females are they somalis or not i swear it looks trippy.
The females have a somali hair braiding style they have a gambar and their setup as well as
that very familiar environment feels like it got a stamp of approval as an authentik somali culture.

 

[Garaad diinle]

@Shimbiris

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I feel like that could be easily said of any other nomadic culture such as mongols for example.

 

[Shimbiris]

There may be a great deal of merit to that, but ask some Northerners (Sudanese) and they'll tell you that Gulf States are prone to meddling.

We East Africans need to learn the same lesson the Saud family learned with the first Saudi State. They reared their heads at the Ottomans back then who were still rather powerful. It resulted in the head of the Saud family back then being brought to Istanbul and beheaded (his head was crushed like walnut after as well) and many members of the Al as-Sheikh family were also brutally killed. The House of Saud's fire was almost utterly extinguished and eversince then the family learned an important lesson; do not fight the superpowers of the day but instead cooperate with them. Even at the annoyance of some of the Ulama, Abdulaziz was always wise not to upset powers like Britain, Italy and the United States in his day and instead created alliances with whichever he could and now look at how high Saudi Arabia flies and has for the last century.

I'm sorry but right now the Khaleejis have more wealth and power than us. We need to accept that and make alliances with them that still allow us to develop. Let them manage our ports if they'll give us world-class ports, I say. Let them meddle in our politics if they'll build roads, desalination plants or whatever else. They are the power of the day and we need to accept our place and bide our time as they did.

 

[Nilotic]

the largest mother tongue is arabic in chad. the arabs of chad are somewhat an extension of north sudan.

Yes, the Baggara arrived in Darfur in the 14th Century and eventually made their way into Chad soon thereafter. The Darfur-Chad region belongs to Nilo-Saharans and I don't want Chad being Arabized like Sudan.

 

[reer]

Yeah, a lot of Chadians speak Arabic, but is that really the only basis for joining the Arab League?



There may be a great deal of merit to that, but ask some Northerners (Sudanese) and they'll tell you that Gulf States are prone to meddling.

sudanese diaspora get employed in the gulf in better jobs than most south asians. because of arabness the racism to then has a muzzle on it (compared to south asians.
the arab league is inept in politics but it works well in education and sponsoring arab students. students from yemen sudan mauritania somalia etc benefit from being under the arab umbrella. somalia being under the arab umbrella has helped it 10x more in trade and education than so called panafricanism.

Yes, the Baggara arrived in Darfur in the 14th Century and eventually made their way into Chad soon thereafter. The Darfur-Chad region belongs to Nilo-Saharans and I don't want Chad being Arabized like Sudan.

chad is already arabized. its #1 mother tongue is arabic.

 

[Shimbiris]

I feel like that could be easily said of any other nomadic culture such as mongols for example.

This is somewhat true. Mongols also used to drink blood from their livestock the way Cushitic nomads used to. Human beings are incredible, to be honest. If you create the same basic conditions they usually manifest the same relative culture and customs. Once Europeans introduced horses and such to Native Americans in the Plains it truly is amazing how much a Bedouin or Geeljire or Mongol nomad would immediately relate to their culture. The same basing of wealth on the size of one's herds, the complicated tribal structures and alliances... all of it. We like to act like we're so different but we're honestly not. I like to think human beings almost have a set programming in that if you give them the same conditions mostly the same sorts of things play out with only small variations which are probably more owed to the difference in conditions than the differences between the peoples involved.

Nevertheless, there are more clearly specific similarities between us and Arabs like the ones myself and Reer spoke of.

Yoooooo that picture with the females are they somalis or not i swear it looks trippy.
The females have a somali hair braiding style they have a gambar and their setup as well as
that very familiar environment feels like it got a stamp of approval as an authentik somali culture.

Wallahi waa Baqqara Arab women. But I know uncanny it looks! That's straight up an Aqal Soomaali!

 

[Nilotic]

sudanese diaspora get employed in the gulf in better jobs than most south asians. because of arabness the racism to then has a muzzle on it (compared to south asians.
the arab league is inept in politics but it works well in education and sponsoring arab students. students from yemen sudan mauritania somalia etc benefit from being under the arab umbrella. somalia being under the arab umbrella has helped it 10x more in trade and education than so called panafricanism.

That's true. Membership in the Arab League provides a lot of material benefits

North Sudanese are respected in the Gulf as doctors, engineers and such; they're also seen as more honest than the locals.

I think that membership in the Arab League makes some sense for certain African Countries, but South Sudan isn't one of them.

chad is already arabized. its #1 mother tongue is arabic.

With the exception of the Baggara, none of the Chadian tribes identify as Arabs, even though they speak Arabic. Sudan is a different kettle of fish.

 

[Khanderson]

Somalia you diaspora can cry and seethe i love the way the stadium turned blue.

Can’t deny that was perfectly done.

 

[Khanderson]

Begs

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[Laagite]

We need to integrate ourselves into the Arab sphere , I'd like to see Somalia have an Arabic anthem.

 

[Khanderson]

My ancestors lived in northern Bari. They spoke Somali and Arabic and knew only to write in the Arabic script. They dressed like the Arabs and were culturally tied to them, especially southern Yemenis. In that time, their main trading partners were also Arabs and they were closer to them in many regards than their own kin in the south. Maybe in 2022 it is different, but historically some Somalis have very close ties to Arabs.

That’s expected since they share regional ties.

 

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Somalia is not arab nation