Exactly what I was thinking mashallah if she not in the mood just head down the hall to the other wives waitingWahabbis make me chuckle, how can you “take what your right” from your wife . Its not realistic, if your wife aint in the mood you just gotta hold ur L and sleep in the living room as protest. Are these sheikhs living in an alternate reality? Feel sorry for their wives if they gotta rape em to get sum
Harming your wife is haram though, hence why scholars say although it isn’t marital rape but sexual abuse or DV. To argue that Allah won’t hold you accountable for harming a fellow human is interesting indeed and I think this is the crux of the problem. You’re seeing it as merely through the lens of ‘terminology’ but we’re talking about human relationships and harm here.
Name one classical scholar that said "forcing" your wife is a sin? If it’s not your cup of tea it’s fine. It’s not mine either but I can’t decide what’s halal or haram. Eating mud might be halal but nobody does it. People need to focus on real things instead of focusing on issues they created in their head.
Specifically Ottoman Sufi scholars and the Ottoman empire were grave worshipping mushrik secularist homosexuals. Those Hanafi scholars were Muslim and their opinions are valid but the empire they worked for were murtads. They were gay too so I’m surprised the scholars weren’t influenced by them to have gay views.
There are many that said harming your wife via sex is haram. I won’t to know how one can force their wife and not harm them.
None of them have ever applied the harm principle to forcing your wife. You can try and find it. You have 1000 years of scholarship to sift through. You’ll just find Ottoman era Sufi Hanafi scholars saying that it’s permissible. Islam isn’t the religion people were brainwashed to believe in growing up through the watering down of western imams, youtube channels, and organizations. You have to learn the truth. Islam is the truth and most people don’t like the truth. Those with underlying mental issues and those who suffer from cognitive dissonance apostate because of an emotional overload.
Yes, but they’ve spoken about harming one’s wife sexually. Therefore my question is how does one not harm their wife through sexual force?
Simple question, how does one not harm their wife and force her at the same time? We have Sahih Hadiths about not jumping on your wife like an animal and initiating foreplay and kind words. How does on do that via force?
“I want to know how one can force their wife and not harm them”
Find me one Hadith or passage in the Quran that supports marital rape. @BLM is using centuries old Ottoman Fiqh. When those same scholars believed that smoking and tobacco was also halal. Fiqh isn’t stagnant.
very difficult tbh. I don’t wAnt to go into into detail but not warming a woman up so to speak if you get the drift can cause damage down below.
That’s not the force we’re talking about though.
no one said it was halal abaayo. Its just not considered "rape" in Islamic jurisprudence. If you as a human needs someone to tell you not to have sex with a person that doesn't want to.... you need to get your brain checked
The people on this thread are unfortunately arguing that women can be physically forced against her will and there is nothing wrong with that that islamically, and if you’re against this belief then you’re a modernist who will become an apostate.no one said it was halal abaayo. Its just not considered "rape" in Islamic jurisprudence. If you as a human needs someone to tell you not to have sex with a person that doesn't want to.... you need to get your brain checked
Jumping on your wife and foreplay is recommended not obligatory. Plus you can force foreplay. Girls always force foreplay according to what I hear and see.
You’re an atheist so don’t say it’s become appealing. It’s what you are.
It’s the other way around in Fiqh. You need one passage from the Quran or Hadiths saying that marital rape is haram and scholars still uphold this view till this day. Ijma is stagnant.
Nope, the Prophet s.a.w literally says do not do it. He likens it to animal behavior. Where did you read it is normal acceptable behavior?
That is some extremely antisocial behaviour. You can't force love/affection/attraction - from a practical standpoint, how can you maintain an even semi-healthy marriage with that dynamic?
