TheLand
VIP
The nigga wants to use the khaliji model whereby they watch Palestine get annihilated and still keep their authority by claiming they must still obey the ruler
Somali PM Says It’s A Religious Obligation To Support Culusow
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Why u causing fitna did i say that, i gave my opinion on why the PM is correct, you provide no Islamic daleel. Even in MBS case I believe that it is khuruj to fight him unless he does kufr
Why oppose AS if you think that rebelling against HSM is not haram, may as well join their ranks.
TheLand
VIP
You are contradicting yourself in the first paragraph. You say you didn’t say that but then assert that fighting MBS is wrong.
Yes because ur insinuating that I support destruction of Palestinians or the silence of Muslim leaders when it comes to Palestine. Of course I don’t but that doesn’t make it halal to rebel against them since they haven’t committed kufr.
TheLand
VIP
You are purposely missing the point. Let me ask you, do you believe that MBS must be obeyed even if he allows Palestinians to be slaughtered and genocided?
Yes that’s what i believe
TheLand
VIP
Aren’t you indirectly supporting slaughter and genocide of Palestinians then? Why is MBS any different to Biden and Netanyahu if that is the case? Do you support them too and do you believe they should be obeyed?
I’m not gonna act like a scholar but I am following my sheikh and the Hadith are clear on what boundaries are that obedience to the ruler can be retracted and that is kufr.
anything below that the Muslims must be patient make dua and privately advise the ruler.
TheLand
VIP
So you think Culusow should be ‘privately advised’ whatever that means?
Yes and should wait till end of his term,
The text in Somali by the PM says that it is haram to criticise Hassan Sheikh as he is the ruler engaged in fighting AS. The madkhalis and neo salafis believe it is haram to criticise a government or a ruler (even if he doesn’t rule you, lol) in any way, shape or form. Using your Palestinian example, the Neo salafi and madkhali position would be that it is haram to openly criticise any Muslim government or president for inaction or Palestine. To give you another example, madkhalis and Neo salafis believe that it is haram to criticise the UAE for arming the RSF. An even more extreme position is the notion of mere criticism equaling being akin to rebellion.
All of these positions I listed above have no real weight amongst ahlul Sunnah btw. And when they do, the Neo salafis and madkhalis take them out of context.
TheLand
VIP
By this logic then you must be against the fight and overthrow of Siyaad Barre, and the opposite to Abdullahi Yusuf?
To extent of my knowledge Siad barre was changing Quran that’s kufr he also is an illegitimate president and should have been forcibly removed before he even had a chance. I do not support usc but the AIAI.
Abdulahi yusuf and all other warlord backed by Ethiopia are puppets who rebelled against TNG
tyrannicalmanager
pseudo-intellectual
explain why AY was a foreign puppet but not HSM?
If three men go on a journey they should also appoint an imam. You are loosely using the term ruler here to describe HSM and then applying that obedience to the furthest extent.
Secondly HSM only becomes a ‘ruler’ in the context with the states authority as his electorate(ahl hali wal aqd). Its already questionable if this is even legitimate with the absence of SL and AS controlled territories. If you have the collective authority to name a ruler it doesnt go away once you’ve named one. Nobody would consider MSB the rightful ruler once he was in Lagos.
Authority is a condition to rulers not divinely appointed like the Mahdi or those named by the former leader.
If a leader takes control after committing khurooj his rule is valid anyways. Since HSM already lost shouldn’t I follow my leader Sayid Axmed?
Let me guess you’ll coincidentally make Takfir on only Darood leaders again
