Somali nationalist vision

[Sigmundd]

We could use our clans as our surnames. For example, Amina Darood, Amina Hawiye, Amina Issa etc. That would make us more identifiable. My abtiris is mainly arabic, but everyone has a Somali nickname. People who know me call me reer *somalinickname* instead of using the actual arab name, but I have zero issues with arab names either. I’ll make my somali nickname Waris Xalane.

yes good idea. Anything unique to us. These other horner muslims are brave in trying to claim any somali that's succesdul because we have arab first names and surnames. Hence why we should adopt any type of somali names so we can be more identifiable while still keeping our original names.

 

[Devilsadvocate]

Audubillah that would make fkd go crazy i do like the name samaale though idk why its only reserved for one man

Somalis already know each other’s qabils, so I don’t see the issue with including it in your name also I’ve never encountered FKD irl whether in the west or Somalia. South Korea uses family names like Lee, Hwang, Park, and Kim and it helps differentiate them from other east asians.

 

[Devilsadvocate]

yes good idea. Anything unique to us. These other horner muslims are brave in trying to claim any somali that's succesdul because we have arab first names and surnames. Hence why we should adopt any type of somali names so we can be more identifiable while still keeping our original names.

The funny thing is back home literally all famous people are referred to as a Somali nickname instead of their actual name. Madoobe, Cirro, Qoorqoor, laftagareen etc. It should be normalised in the west too.

 

[Espaa_]

Somalis already know each other’s qabils, so I don’t see the issue with including it in your name also I’ve never encountered FKD irl whether in the west or Somalia. South Korea uses family names like Lee, Hwang, Park, and Kim and it helps differentiate them from other east asians.

Yes but hawiye darood isaaq raxanwayn is different to family names. It would make more sense with sub sub clans rather than these big clans or else we would have a max of like 20 surnames in the country including minorities and its just very unoriginal

 

[balanbalis]

We could use our clans as our surnames. For example, Amina Darood, Amina Hawiye, Amina Issa etc. That would make us more identifiable. My abtiris is mainly arabic, but everyone has a Somali nickname. People who know me call me reer *somalinickname* instead of using the actual arab name, but I have zero issues with arab names either. I’ll make my somali nickname Waris Xalane.

My qabiil is an Arabic name though

 

[balanbalis]

Yes but hawiye darood isaaq raxanwayn is different to family names. It would make more sense with sub sub clans rather than these big clans or else we would have a max of like 20 surnames in the country including minorities

My subclan name is an arabic name... I am not winning

 

[Sigmundd]

The funny thing is back home literally all famous people are referred to as a Somali nickname instead of their actual name. Madoobe, Cirro, Qoorqoor, laftagareen etc. It should be normalised in the west too.

my nicknames are Aragsan, duruni, waran

 

[balanbalis]

my nicknames are Aragsan, duruni, waran

Those are cute nicknames, i've gotten afarindho, ardo, and indhoxun

 

[Sigmundd]

Those are cute nicknames, i've gotten afarindho, ardo, and indhoxun

lol Ardo is my mum friend name who lives couple of doors away from us. And indoxun?? you have bad eye or what? lol

 

[balanbalis]

lol Ardo is my mum friend name who lives couple of doors away from us. And indoxun?? you have bad eye or what? lol

Because I would give ‘dirty looks‘ when I was uncomfortable as a kid (aka all the time)

but Ironically i do have a lazy eye thats corrected by glasses

 

[wonyluvr]

I've had multiple 'Somali' names over the years since my real name is the equivalent of (dw not doxxing myself) 'Aisha Muhammed Ali'

My madeup Somali name is now Sagal Weheliye

That name is in my abtirsi

 

[wonyluvr]

Since people are giving themselves Somali names here’s mine Beydan Hilowle

 

[wonyluvr]

My subclan name is an arabic name... I am not winning

My sub sub sub is yusuf dauud

 

[Daisybilaawe]

I dont think thats halal but what somali men back home like to create is somali nicknames whilst also honouring the original name. So in a way what your saying does happen just in a different way

How is not “halal”?

This is genuinely starting to become barbaric. We practise Islam not Arabism

 

[Espaa_]

How is not “halal”?

This is genuinely starting to become barbaric. We practise Islam not Arabism

sis i didnt mean it in that way. Changing your surname is haram in the same way that a woman cannot take her husbands surname.

how is it barbaric? The definition of barbariam is being savagely cruel. How does it fit what I said??

being islamic is to honour your fathers lineage. Not erasing it and propping it up with different names. Hence why I said people use different nicknames instead of changing their surnames

 

[Daisybilaawe]

Why is Wadaad revered as this Ultimate “Somali” script when Somalis never used it?

A few individuals like Somali scholars, Islamic leaders and other members of authority using it doesn’t mean Somalia used it, a script that derived from a Foreign language that is completely distinct from own our language should never be encouraged, don’t let Islam blind you from the Linguistic barriers between Somali and Arabic.

 

[Daisybilaawe]

sis i didnt mean it in that way. Changing your surname is haram in the same way that a woman cannot take her husbands surname.

how is it barbaric? The definition of barbariam is being savagely cruel. How does it fit what I say??

being islamic is to honour your fathers lineage. Not erasing it and propping it up with different names. Hence why I said people use different nicknames instead of changing their surnames

May be a misread on my part, thought you meant Somalis mustn’t change to their indigenous names rather than Arabic ones as that is haram.

Barbaric in terms of demonising any attachment to one’s own culture and this cult like glorification of Arabia, which wouldn’t work as Allah himself encourages other to stand tight to their own cultures while practising Islam, it is supposed to enhance your culture not make you abandon it for something that isn’t yours. Reading these sometimes genuinely depict Islam as this Arab supremists religion when it’s not.

But that doesn’t apply to you, sorry sis

 

[balanbalis]

Why is Wadaad revered as this Ultimate “Somali” script when Somalis never used it?

It's because it was the most used script I guess, the latin script only got introduced post colonialism, and one aspect of anti-colonialism is rejecting the institutions that are related to it for 'tradition'. So people want to switch from latin to wadaad.

The smart few know that a new script must be invented, aka the support for osmanya.

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[Espaa_]

May be a misread on my part, thought you meant Somalis mustn’t change to their indigenous names rather than Arabic ones as that is haram.

No no i didnt mean that. I just meant dont change your surname at all it doesnt matter what your surname origin is. As @Sigmundd we can have alternative names like for example Aisha mohamud can be Idil hilowle in terms of stage names.

 

[Daisybilaawe]

It's because it was the most used script I guess, the latin script only got introduced post colonialism, and one aspect of anti-colonialism is rejecting the institutions that are related to it for 'tradition'. So people want to switch from latin to wadaad.

The smart few know that a new script must be invented, aka the support for osmanya.

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Yh it was but only by a Minute of the population and doesn’t account for “Somalis” using it like some of these disillusioned nationalists claim.

Latin is somewhat understandable although given Global Context, Osmanya script just follows the principles of Latin