Somali military power anno 1977

[antonio]

Abdi:

If it was a fair war between Ethiopia and Somalia without soviet intervention our army would've won the war and possibly chilling in Addis Ababa

This is an interesting supposition but history speak about a huge Somalia defeat in Ogaden War.

Cubans,Ethiopians and Yemenins crushed Somalia and destroyed Siad Barre expansionism.

 

[Sandvaer]

Are the airplanes still operative?

The powerfull government of Mogadishu imposed a ban on Antonov 24.

 

[antonio]

We need to write a definitive history about 1977 war.

 

[Abdisamad]

@antonio

 

[Marsin]

WSLF would have never won the war.

The war strategy was perfect, the rapid advance of our forces is a testament to that.

It was just not meant to be.

No one could have predicted the disproportionate intervention by the Soviet Union.

But the past is the past.

Soomaali Galbeed is due to have a referendum for independence, Unification may actually happen without any violence.

Actually the WSLF made significant moves where they succeeded in pushing the ethiopian soldiers from the rural countryside and put them inside the cities, they told siad Barre not to invade but to support the rebels instead, he answered with jailing the leaders and appointing new ones.

 

[EDsomali]

EdSomali:

They lost 77 war because of logistics not bad strategies.

Somalia was defeated and crushed by Cubans, Ethiopians, russians and yemenis. Somali army was no match for Soviet Union and its allies.

Nobody denies that Somalia was able to withstand the intervention of a world superpower.

However, had there been more development in the Ogaden in terms of infrastructure then the outcome of the war could have been different.

The fact that the Cuban and Ethiopian forces were unable to capture large parts of the Ogaden including major cities from the Somalis until the end of 1980, 3 years after they were captured shows how logistical constraints affected both armed forces.

 

[EDsomali]

Actually the WSLF made significant moves where they succeeded in pushing the ethiopian soldiers from the rural countryside and put them inside the cities, they told siad Barre not to invade but to support the rebels instead, he answered with jailing the leaders and appointing new ones.

The WSLF made virtually no gains.

They conducted an insurgency aimed at being a nuisance towards Ethiopian forces.

It was only when Somali armed forces joined the conflict that actual towns and cities captured.

 

[Marsin]

The WSLF made virtually no gains.

They conducted an insurgency aimed at being a nuisance towards Ethiopian forces.

It was only when Somali armed forces joined the conflict that actual towns and cities captured.

You should do some research before giving opinions.

 

[Farm]

Are the airplanes still operative?

The powerfull government of Mogadishu imposed a ban on Antonov 24.

Yes they are still in use they are used by Puntland forces in anti terror operations.

 

[EDsomali]

You should do some research before giving opinions.

My research comes from books and reports ive read not YouTube videos.

 

[Marsin]

My research comes from books and reports ive read not YouTube videos.

Everybody can write on a piece of paper, this video provides more insight because the person who is interviewed was the leader of WSLF.

 

[antonio]

Ed Somali:

The fact that the Cuban and Ethiopian forces were unable to capture large parts of the Ogaden including major cities from the Somalis until the end of 1980, 3 years after they were captured shows how logistical constraints affected both armed forces.

The reality is Somali army was defeated in 1980. Somalia was not a serious military threat to Ethiopia after 1982.

WSLF and SALF ceased to exist after 1977 debacle.

Check out these CIA links:

ETHIOPIA-SOMALIA: CONTINUING MILITARY IMBALANCE IN THE OGADEN

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP84S00552R000300100003-4.pdf


This document probes Somali army was very weak in 1982 and was not match for Cuban and Ethiopian troops. Siad Barre did not have the capacity to attack Ogaden again, even somali territory was captured by Ethiopia in 1982 (Balambale and Goldogob).

 

[EDsomali]

Ed Somali:

The fact that the Cuban and Ethiopian forces were unable to capture large parts of the Ogaden including major cities from the Somalis until the end of 1980, 3 years after they were captured shows how logistical constraints affected both armed forces.

The reality is Somali army was defeated in 1980. Somalia was not a serious military threat to Ethiopia after 1982.

WSLF and SALF ceased to exist after 1977 debacle.

Check out these CIA links:

ETHIOPIA-SOMALIA: CONTINUING MILITARY IMBALANCE IN THE OGADEN

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP84S00552R000300100003-4.pdf


This document probes Somali army was very weak in 1982 and was not match for Cuban and Ethiopian troops. Siad Barre did not have the capacity to attack Ogaden again, even somali territory was captured by Ethiopia in 1982 (Balambale and Goldogob).

I don't disagree with anything you are saying.

I'll I'm saying is that what hampered Somalia initial attack was logistics.

The lack of development in the Ogaden by the Ethiopian regimes contributed to a slowing of Somalia's advance

Had there been more development and better infrastructure then perhaps the outcome of the war would be different.

But the past is in the past.

Losing to a superpowers intervention is nothing to be ashamed of.

 

[EDsomali]

Everybody can write on a piece of paper, this video provides more insight because the person who is interviewed was the leader of WSLF.

Data collected by intelligence proved extremely accurate.

I suggest you look into the national security archives , it's a lot of declassified CIA documents that will provide a you with a new insight into the Ogaden war.

 

[Farjano-Walad]

siad bare was given somali ddsi/ogadeniya but refused to listen when told do not advance beyand dira daba

he was too stubborn, he should have negotiated for ddsi and we would have taken harar sooner or later after it became a country, also he did not want ogadens to have their own nation,m he had cuqdad, Mj advised him againts it and he listened, they told him an ogaden country is a danger to langabs somalis like us and marehans, so he screwed the deal the russians offered him, they said we will give yuo all you took but not harar

he reufsed, it was ego that detsroyed the mans nation,

look at how much he loves himself, forcing people to carry pictures of him, he was more concerned for his image than the state or nations stability,

in addtion, might i remind somalis here the 1doors who would end up fighting him with maryam mengustu weapons already were in London as early as 1971 they teied to over throw him and run to london to form the group that would destroy him,

in addtion, the Mj were already trying to organise to over throw him, untill his son law morgan told him about the Mj plan and morgan betrayed 17 Mj offciers who were killed by siad, this is waaayyyy before 1977

so stop trying to revise history

an ego maniac leader

Mj afvising him to reject the deal, he hated them but they made sure he listened as they did not want ogadnes to have their own nations, rather somalia be destroyed than marehan and mj be side lined by the new Og country

obbssed with his ego and images and power,

1door and mj already tried 2 coups, very small and useless but still a coup and formed groups several years before 1977

hawiye like cadiid joined the game by 1979 as he want his people to have power,

in a nut shell, it was somalis with cuqdad who played real politik and did xaiisnimo on each other so God destroyed them,

 

[antonio]

People know what happened in 1977 war, but there are many doubts about WSLF fate after 1978.

What happened to WSLF after 1982?

Why did WSLF cease to exist after 1978?

Was WSLF destroyed by internal fights or military defeats?

Did ONLF fight Mengistu regime?

 

[Farjano-Walad]

Actually the WSLF made significant moves where they succeeded in pushing the ethiopian soldiers from the rural countryside and put them inside the cities, they told siad Barre not to invade but to support the rebels instead, he answered with jailing the leaders and appointing new ones.

he appointed an oromo to spite wslf and ogaden, he once karbashed Majerteens and they crossed from hiraan, into afdheer, shebelle, gdoey and came through warder, he went to him despite their beef and said to him ogaden is manoy millions strong and if you ever give them their land back after invading ethiopia its over for majterteen and marehan, nimanka will have major power under one man one vote somaliweyn,

when the soviets told him stop and keep what you have but lets discuss he refused, the Americans, soviets and British wanted to discuss the issue, only condition was not to move on to harar,

when his brother was foreign diplomatic sent to neogitate in the UN, he told them it was for somaliweyn, a young reer isaaq Mohamed zubeer was sent by siad barre as his brother maslax barre did not speak English,

the young mohamed zubeer minister, forgot his name, spoke to the British UN envoy and said did you not hand over my land to Ethiopians, he said yes we did, and infrot of the yankis said ogadens own the land not somalia or ethiopia

maslax wanted to give the impression it was taken from somalia, the young mohamed zubeer minister wanted the impression the ogadens were a ethnic group so it did not look like aggressive somalia was invading,

anyways wslf appointed a reer amadin as their head, siad barre threatened him and said i will tell mangustu to take you guys out unless i have full control over wslf, so they came to negotiate by wslf having the oromo removed and instead a makahil siad barre ina abti appointed,

do you know why an roomo was appointed? because his cousin an oromo was appointed by the Somali government under hawiye, 1door and majerteen in 1961 out of cuqdad to keep ogaden out,

point is siad barre and other governments before him could have taken ogadeniya back but in realty they did not want ogaden ruling it, but once they realised just the might and influence ogaden had in terms of man power on wslf, the land her self they backtracked on the idea, even when the soviets offered her talks to take what is today all of ddsi, but instead used the cover of harar must also come with us as mareahn and majerteen realised how powerful we would be in a somaliweyn,

reminds me of king hussein of jordan, the Israelis offered him the west bank and gaza and ramalla before 1967 war, but he refused becaseu he said Palestinians would take over his kingdom, imagine if today half of Palestine would be in muslim hands if it was not for cuqdad, heck even half of Jerusalem, point is today we could have had muslims in that land under muslims or two states, but by 1967 6 day war they lost that option

also the arab leaders ho were karbashed by Israel 6 times would make sure their armies were desperately weak as they always feared a strong army would mean potentially the army would kick them out over a coup, so arab leaders like in egyt, iraaq, syria, jordan always made sure their armies weak in training and education and connection and tactics, because it meant their potentiallyover throw as they usually came through military coups themselves,

read a essay called Why Arabs Lose Wars, very interesting, majetreen, hawye, 1door and marehan in the old governments played same dirty real politik tricks,

this is why the only people who would free our land is ogadens herself, dont every settle for the fake somaliweyn BS

the idieal vision and siaution i have: insha Allah become presdeint of jubaland, build the economy and army, exterminate or kick out majerteen, marehan, all qashin, bring 2 million people from all over ogadeniya, manufacture, industrialise, build arms and weapons and use that as launch pad to free ogadeniya, it can be done, tiny singapore is 5 million people with on third the size of land yet has an conomy of 5 times that of ethiopia of 110 million, 5 times the size of UK, yet 40 years ago singapore was poorer than ghana or kenya

it can only be done by us, for us and with us, no more qashin somali involvement, they dont have best intentions at heart, worst yet they sabotage you,

always remember, you have two biggest enemies: shaytan and Somalis, at least the Ethiopia is gaal and you know his intention, these lot waa worst than jews,

i believe i can turn jubaland into china, like our manufacturing centre of the planet and use that money and free our land, but it will be a 25 year plan, organisation, building an economy, re arming, which means we have to hold each others hands and rely on our selves and God only,

 

[Marsin]

People know what happened in 1977 war, but there are many doubts about WSLF fate after 1978.

What happened to WSLF after 1982?

Why did WSLF cease to exist after 1978?

Was WSLF destroyed by internal fights or military defeats?

Did ONLF fight Mengistu regime?

1: siad Barre and mengistu met in Djibouti and agreed to stop supporting each others rebel groups.
2: they did not.
3: already answered.
4: ONLF was created as a political group and they only picked up their weapons in 1994 after being marginalized by TPLF led government.

 

[Farjano-Walad]

People know what happened in 1977 war, but there are many doubts about WSLF fate after 1978.

What happened to WSLF after 1982?

Why did WSLF cease to exist after 1978?

Was WSLF destroyed by internal fights or military defeats?

Did ONLF fight Mengistu regime?

siad barre refused our leadership in it after the 1980 agreement with mengustu, so ogadens formed another group in libya called ONLf by 6 young ogaden intelelctuals, i have one of them, a maths professor,


siad barre would not allow wslf any movement, and also he betrayed us, when the soviets said keep what you have taken, and lets talk, he spat in their face, out of spite to make sure ogdens do not get their land,

keep in mined, somalia had 40 thousand man, wslf had 15,000 man, he refused to negotiate with the Russians, even though they offered him a deal,

both marehan, isaaq, hawiye and majerteen appointed oromo as wslf leaders twice, in the yuong goverments of the day and barres regime, for this reason we created onlf as 100% of those dying were only ogadens, so the creation was to avoid somalia meddling in our affairs, and last nail was adan gabyow being fired and ogadens and marehan fighting over kismayo in 1987-1991 as they wanted to rob kismayo and jubaland from us, so ONLf was right to have been created in 1984 as they surveyed the political seen of somalia and relaised they cannot rely on siad barre

in addtion, many groups like ciise, gadabursi, 1door etc all had groups to fight Ethiopia, but were not willing to stick it out or die for the land, so they mleted away when mengustu and zenawi gave them money, we stayed out and fought long, we lated till now,

 

[Farjano-Walad]

wslf was good at tactics, so was somalia, but siad barre killed the strategic, the bigger game, war is another form of politics, to get what you wanted,

he should not have slapped the soviets and kicked them out, when mengustu was kissing their shoes, specially when the soviets were already helping siad barre for 8 years,

the yankis and cia said said barre did not need help, he is fine and strong alone,

why fight when you will not look at the bigegr picture, carter was weak, high inflation, weak growth, stagflation, rising soviet power due to higher oil prices, remember the soviets did not enter afghanistan yet, the yankis just lost in vietname, UK was a bread basket begging the IMF for loans with terrible economy, the 3 days work due to bad electric shortages even in london,

he should have allowed the soviets to be his friends, rather than kick them out, so when he did they simply got invited by maryam mengustu

if it was reagan he would have helped somalia, he was tough, carter was weak and he could not even rescue the yankis in hostage in iran, yet reagan was preemptive in Grenada when he smelled the same plot, he was fixed on karbahsing the soviet, reagan would have recognised ogadeniya under siad barre and helped,

this in ability of said barre to focus on over all staretgic, ie the bigger picture was our weakness, he was good at tactic and beat th ethiopians on their own, but did not consider the bigger boys such as the americnas and carter and andropov who was basically in charge of the soviet union as the breznez was just an old puppet used by andropov, the real power behind him, his kgb head, as brezhnez was on medicine 24/7 and old and dilapidated,

siad barre ignored strategy, and focused 100% only on tatcics,

by 1977 the soviets seemed so strong, by 1987 we all knew they were dying, said barre should have been a bit more strategic,

General westmoreland never lost a battle in vietname, tactically, he won, but strategically he lost vietname because he forgot war is just another means of politics, the Vietcong got the american people on their side and the politicians were pressured through protests to get out, this was general Giaps genius, to show the world what america was upto in his land, killing maskiins,

said barre was our westmoreland, but he has no excuse, he was also in charge