Somali Jews in Somalia (mini documentary)

[Riftvalley]

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[Stimpy]

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[Khal Mah Oma]

“Don’t bring zio crap here”, meanwhile you posted a hit piece on Somalis by a page full of videos praising mossad. As for Yibir, there is no currently no evidence of any Jewish origin. If you have evidence of a Jewish origin please enlighten us, mr open minded. Why the f*ck should we educate you and waste time refuting something for which there is no proof.

So you’re not going to send link and evidence about whether Yibir have Jewish origin or not? Okay, so then you got no evidence. So what’s your point. You’ve somewhat managed to change the goal post.

 

[Stimpy]

So you’re not going to send link and evidence about whether Yibir have Jewish origin or not? Okay, so then you got no evidence. So what’s your point. You’ve somewhat managed to change the goal post.

Stop spreading this nonsense, why should we waste our time giving you knowledge when you are out here posting this garbage

 

[Khal Mah Oma]

Stop spreading this nonsense, why should we waste our time giving you knowledge when you are out here posting this garbage

I’m not censoring myself in my own thread. Lmfao. If you hate what I post then leave.

 

[Stimpy]

I’m not censoring myself in my own thread. Lmfao. If you hate what I post then leave.

I hate the fact that you are posting zionist propaganda onto our fourms, especially when a genocide is going on against the Palestinians.

 

[Riftvalley]

Stop spreading this nonsense, why should we waste our time giving you knowledge when you are out here posting this garbage

Indeed, it is owned by https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDor_Media
The mission of OpenDor is as follows:

“explore [Zionism's] complex history and achievements so that young people will recognize that Zionism is a story that every Jewish person can proudly embrace and cherish."[4][5].

opendor was founded by Rabbi Rapahel Shore, who also founded Claire project, intended aims:

“dedicated to educating the public about the threats of Islamist extremism and providing a platform for moderate Muslim voices."[6]

Here is Rabbi Shore’s latest post on facebook belittling the starvation of Palestinians:

 

[cunug3aad]

So you’re not going to send link and evidence about whether Yibir have Jewish origin or not? Okay, so then you got no evidence. So what’s your point. You’ve somewhat managed to change the goal post.

Walaalow you have no evidence either. What is your evidence There is nothing to disprove. Mars ma joogtaa

 

[Riftvalley]

So you’re not going to send link and evidence about whether Yibir have Jewish origin or not? Okay, so then you got no evidence. So what’s your point. You’ve somewhat managed to change the goal post.

No sxb. Just use the search function. Shalom abti. Goood day.

 

[Khal Mah Oma]

I hate the fact that you are posting zionist propaganda onto our fourms, especially when a genocide is going on against the Palestinians.

How is acknowledging Yibir clan /=\ Zionism I don’t support Zionism. But do I support Somali minorities they’re people too and they need recognition.

 

[Saleh]

If they don’t exist why are they talked about? They known to be a small caste member of Somali society. They’re very small sect. So i know they’re going to be people calling them to be a known nonexistent groups. I just need a strong evidence to back up that they as a group exist. A strong link and evidence is what I need.

There’s link and info about them.

https://hasanworldwide.org/ourwork/somalilandsomalia-listening-to-the-yibir

Yibir - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yibir still live in SL, they arent really Jews. All the real jews in Djibouti, SL and Somalia were airlifted to Israel in operation magic carpet of 1950

 

[Riftvalley]

My Official Visit to Somaliland — July 2023

The painting I purchased at the Hargeisa International Book FairIt hangs on my living room wall keeping Somaliland close to my heart, remembering this special experience.By Nancy Hartevelt Kobrin, PhDMy Official Visit to Somaliland — July 2023It might seem unusual that I write today about...

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Nancy Kobrin has been operating in Hargeysa and she works closely with the likes of Aweis Ali and possibly Ayan Ali Hersi. She has recently started advocating for the “recognition” of “SL”. She is heavy into this whole Yibir, a persecuted Jewish minority, propaganda. Anyone who understands how Zionists target ethnic minorities in the Muslim world should see through the hit piece they made on Somalis.

Nancy believes that she has a connection to Somalia dating back to 250000 years ago. Careful, as she may start claiming Somalia belongs to her people:

“In July 2023, I had the extraordinary opportunity to travel to Hargeisa and Berbera. After years of studying Somali history, culture, and geopolitics, stepping foot on the soil of the Horn of Africa felt like a kind of homecoming. The cover photo on my iPhone is of my maternal DNA which reminds me that 250,000 years ago, my ancestors walked out of this very region. As the plane descended, I had an uncanny feeling — I had been here before. The land looked exactly as I had imagined.

Only a Zionist is capable of genetic nostalgia for a supposed homeland from 250k years ago.

 

[Shimbiris]

A Somali Jew is a scary thought. The sheer business acumen… automatic richest man alive.

 

[Khal Mah Oma]

Yibir still live in SL, they arent really Jews. All the real jews in Djibouti, SL and Somalia were airlifted to Israel in operation magic carpet of 1950

Why do you think they claim Judaism though?

Any info on that?

 

[novanova]

Why do you think they claim Judaism though?

Any info on that?

kkkkkkkkkkkkk sheegato wareersan.

 

[Khal Mah Oma]

A Somali Jew is a scary thought. The sheer business acumen… automatic richest man alive.

White men greatest fear.

 

[cunug3aad]

Why do you think they claim Judaism though?

Any info on that?

You good mud?

 

[Khal Mah Oma]

You good mud?

I am good. I just need links and post regarding yibir. Whether they have Jewish heritage or not. That’s all.

Which nobody provided for me for the last hours in this thread. This thread is derailed by certain users. They’ve brought Zionism politics into my thread. It’s ruined now. I was so interested and invested but it has gotten too controversial.

 

[cunug3aad]

I am good. I just need links and post regarding yibir. Whether they have Jewish heritage or not. That’s all.

Which nobody provided for me for the last hours in this thread. This thread is derailed by certain users. They’ve brought Zionism politics into my thread.

I found a few posts from a while back maybe this can give you more information. And yibir dont claim judaism i dont know where you get this claim from

I don't think the Yibir are anything particularly special. They appear to be just another "low caste" Horner group. Somalis have others like Madhiban and the Tumaal:



The Beta Israels' claims to Jewry, despite being taken into Israel is very questionable too. Genetic studies on both their uniparentals and autosomal DNA so far show that they have no special affinity toward Jews. In fact, their Christian counterparts in the Amhara and Tigray regions have a stronger pull toward MENAs and Jews than they do, albeit by a very small margin. There is also the fact that these guys did not use to use Hebrew as a liturgical language at all unlike the not so far away Yemenite Jews. Instead they used Ge'ez (or sometimes their own Agaw dialects written in the Ge'ez script) like any other Ethiopian Highlander Christian population.

I side with some scholars I've seen around but can't recall by name right now who generally think they were historically just Ethiopian Orthodox Christians practicing a unique, perhaps more old-testament focused form of the local Christianity intermingled with some local pagan elements as a result of them having been out-caste for being an artisanal group.

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One thing I find interesting though is that I too, for a long time, have thought that metallurgy likely spread to Somalis from Ethiopia possibly alongside this pseudo caste-system and that groups like the Yibir and Tumaal are the result of this spreading of skills like blacksmithing. Whether or not this came with genes being spread remains to be seen though.

Are you talking about Yibir? Jewish/Hebrew notions is is something made up by them albeit ''recently'' around the 1970s to dignify their own status. It is not something that other Somalis claimed or believe about them:

As a anthropologist studying them points this out:



When in reality they are the most looked down upon out of all the Sab groups because of their Pagan affilitations , thats what Somali tradition of Bucur Bayr shows. Yibir were most likely priest group that were previously pillars of the old religous cult prior to Islam

Which is strenghten by another thing observed in Rendille who are closely related group who broke off from Tunni/Garre Somalis have a Yibir group among them:

Viriginia Luling goes on to explain:

“An important ritual grouping among the Rendille is the Ibire (sg. Ibir) - evidently the same word as the Somali Yibir. The Ibire are men from certain lineages who enjoy high religious statues – in fact the Rendille are divided into Ibire and Wakhkamure, who are the rest of the male population, in a way reminiscent of the traditional Somali distinction between Wadaado and Waranleh. The Ibire however are chiefly respected and feared for the power of their curse. Since their position is central in Rendille society, this is always exercised deviants, to maintain justice and the Social order. And yet these pillars of society share a name with the despised anti-social vagabonds among the Somali. But the Somali Yibir also have extraordinary powers attributed to them, and are feared for the power of the curse.”22


I would also argue that it's most likely the same for Beta Isreal among Habeshas from the evidence i've seen in both texts and culture. They were Pagan Agaw that end up linking themselves to Hebrew/Jewishness link to dignify their status with a more abrahamic faith.

The yahud thing seems like nonsense and the magic thing isn't magic. They were soothsayers and also used to bless amulets Somalis wore around their necks with quranic verses in them (parchments). This was a common practice all the way to Sudan. Somalis felt superstitous toward them as a result and felt they had special powers. As for their secret language; some ajanabi, a Brit I think, heard it like a century ago and said it was merely a dialect of Somali.

The Yahuud/Jewish thing is 100% BS. If you look at an Archeologists exploration on Yibir in Somali traditions is that they are associated with Paganism and Witch craft , no mentions/association are given to Judaism or Jews.





And also this by another anthropologist:

 

[Khal Mah Oma]

I found a few posts from a while back maybe this can give you more information. And yibir dont claim judaism i dont know where you get this claim from

Thanks saxib. I’ll have a good read on that..