Somali "intellectual" says Somaliland youth have cuqdad, denies the 1988 genocide

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Gadabursi aligned themselves with Siad Barre when Jibril Abakor sub-clan of the Habar Awal (@Younes Osman) offered them to join SNM. They made themselves a clear enemy. Then Gadabursi militia heavily armed by Siad Barre massacred Jibril Abokor people first in Gabiley district and tried to take their land.

General Jidhif, who led the 99th SNM division, did not massacre Gadabursi. This is all false. His mother who was Gadabursi herself actually stopped him. All he did was erase Afweyne presence in Awdal region and karbashed the pro-Afweyne militia that committed horrendous crimes against Jibril Abokor civilians.

Peace talks were made after General Jidhif accomplished his mission. After that Gadabursi pledge loyalty to Somaliland and are an integral part of SL today, holding the Vice Presidency and have been perhaps thelongest serving president of SL (2003-2010).

The so called Samaroon massacre narrative is also portraying Samaroon as a clan bullied by Isaaq, insulting Samaroon, and slandering Isaaq.
The so called Isaaq holocaust narrative is also portraying Isaaq as a clan bullied by Darood, insulting Isaaq, and slandering Darood
 
I admit, the genocide likely did happen

But how should we move on?

Ina Siyaad Baare AUN is no longer here

A lot of warlords have long ceased to exist

We have all got along in the diaspora

Somaliland has not, and will likely never, see ictiraaf

Darood in Waqooyi, who were frontline ******, dwell amongst you

Petroleum will likely be explored soon

Reer Hargeisa! Just return to mama Muqdisho! Don't take a few politician words personal. From a ****** dhulo!

It's highely unlikely SL will reunite with Somalia, especially when Somalia harbours and protects the very perpetrators of the genocide. Somalia is also in an awdul state at the moment.

Handing them over to be tried under international law would be a good gesture for peace but until that happens, landers will not take any calls for reunification seriously.

I must agree with our Dhulbahante forumer that Dhulbahante were the most proAfweyne clan during IsaaqGenocide while nonJabarti Southerners were not.so we cant say let's leave the union because of that genocide but take Dhulbahante punishing them first. Either SL punishes Dhulos for their shameful role

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Watch naive northerners calling for being closer to a to antiIsaaq northern clans, ahead neutral or naturally allied Southerners
 
I must agree with our Dhulbahante forumer that Dhulbahante were the most proAfweyne clan during IsaaqGenocide while nonJabarti Southerners were not.so we cant say let's leave the union because of that genocide but take Dhulbahante punishing them first. Either SL punishes Dhulos for their shameful role

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Watch naive northerners calling for being closer to a to antiIsaaq northern clans, ahead neutral or naturally allied Southerners

Issaqs are not a monolithic group.
 

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biggest cuck in the world:faysalwtf:

how tf can you deny your own people's genocide:farole:
On a psychological level waala na Xasuuqay politics is bad for the state of mind.

@Gadhwayne for all his madness promotes a more traditional somali outlook which is “sure you got me there but look at my response” I think that type of mindset among other things promoted the somali stubborn superiority attitude.
 

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On a psychological level waala na Xasuuqay politics is bad for the state of mind.

@Gadhwayne for all his madness promotes a more traditional somali outlook which is “sure you got me there but look at my response” I think that type of mindset among other things promoted the somali stubborn superiority attitude.
The problem is that Somalia wants SL to just forget everything and be under them even though it harbors the perpetrators, which is quite ironic.

Also, SL didn't start disliking the union in 1988 (SNM before 1991 was unionists), it started in 1961 when SL tried to make a coup due to vote rigging (a village called Wanlaweyn in Shabeelaha Hoose had as many votes as Hargeysa, the second largest city, which is why that nickname exists).

This issue is deeper than that.
 

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The problem is that Somalia wants SL to just forget everything and be under them even though it harbors the perpetrators, which is quite ironic.

Also, SL didn't start disliking the union in 1988 (SNM before 1991 was unionists), it started in 1961 when SL tried to make a coup due to vote rigging (a village called Wanlaweyn in Shabeelaha Hoose had as many votes as Hargeysa, the second largest city, which is why that nickname exists).

This issue is deeper than that.
Typical arguments for a separate country
>separate religous identity
>separate ethnic identity
>Different Language
>long and separate history(SL was created in the 19th century)

You have none of those.

Corruption really, your gonna use that whilst we live in Africa.

Also every clan harbors its criminals and mooriyan. Will SL even recognize SNM mistakes, no they glorify it just like SSDF did with Abdullahi Yusuf USC is doing now with Cumar Finnish and JL harboring Omar Jess.

You have your cake but want to eat another mans cake and save yours for later.
 

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Typical arguments for a separate country
>separate religous identity
>separate ethnic identity
>Different Language
>long and separate history(SL was created in the 19th century)

You have none of those.

Corruption really, your gonna use that whilst we live in Africa.

Also every clan harbors its criminals and mooriyan. Will SL even recognize SNM mistakes, no they glorify it just like SSDF did with Abdullahi Yusuf USC is doing now with Cumar Finnish and JL harboring Omar Jess.

You have your cake but want to eat another mans cake and save yours for later.
SL and Somalia have never been under the same state or even empire before 1960 (apart from military occupations). Both sides have had completely different and separate histories and kingdoms and empires.

As for ethnic or religious identity; just because you have the same language doesn't mean you're entitled to the same state. If we implemented that argument then why don't we split up Switzerland then between Italy, Germany and France?

Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house. Somalia is the most corrupt country in the world, tied with North Korea.

SNM has not massacred or commited genocide unlike the Afweyne Fäqash regime. If you have evidence that SNM did genocide a whole tribe then go ahead. Dilla doesn't count as that was not a massacre, but a battle between SNM and pro-Afweyne Gadabuursi forces that were eventually defeated and the whole clan eventually reconciled and pledged alliegance to Somaliland in the Borama conference in 1993.
 
Issaqs are not a monolithic group.

exactly

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On a psychological level waala na Xasuuqay politics is bad for the state of mind.

@Gadhwayne for all his madness promotes a more traditional somali outlook which is “sure you got me there but look at my response” I think that type of mindset among other things promoted the somali stubborn superiority attitude.

Im a realist. Some of Wanlaweyn are delusional thinking they will impose the union on the North without consent of Isaaq

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The problem is that Somalia wants SL to just forget everything and be under them even though it harbors the perpetrators, which is quite ironic.

Also, SL didn't start disliking the union in 1988 (SNM before 1991 was unionists), it started in 1961 when SL tried to make a coup due to vote rigging (a village called Wanlaweyn in Shabeelaha Hoose had as many votes as Hargeysa, the second largest city, which is why that nickname exists).

This issue is deeper than that.

It was genocide against ISAAQ not against the WHOLE SL/North and antiIsaaq Northerners were the biggest criminals.

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Typical arguments for a separate country
>separate religous identity
>separate ethnic identity
>Different Language
>long and separate history(SL was created in the 19th century)

You have none of those.

Corruption really, your gonna use that whilst we live in Africa.

Also every clan harbors its criminals and mooriyan. Will SL even recognize SNM mistakes, no they glorify it just like SSDF did with Abdullahi Yusuf USC is doing now with Cumar Finnish and JL harboring Omar Jess.

You have your cake but want to eat another mans cake and save yours for later.

NONE of those are legal arguements under international law, especially in Africa with colonial borders. You must not know that the main OFFICIAL arguenent for secession revolves are the status of Soomaliland's first law.

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Im a realist. Some of Wanlaweyn are delusional thinking they will impose the union on the North without consent of Isaaq

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It was genocide against ISAAQ not SL/North and antiIsaaq Northerners were the biggest criminals.

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NONE of those are legal arguements under international law, especially in Africa with colonial borders. You must not know that the main OFFICIAL arguenent for secession revolves are the status of Soomaliland's first law.

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Hawd was never Ogaden unless you count the walashama (Wilinwili) as Ogaden. It is currently under Ogaden administration so I dont know what you mean by we wont “give it back”. USC did not make any small mistakes they have gigantic blunders which lead to them becoming massive failures. Isaaq moved into Doolo and were eventually removed when the Italians came.

Also we did not betray our “hosts” Isaaqs reignited the flame by killing Ogadens at the border fleeing after 77. Tit for Tat is something thats tradition between these two tribes I don’t know why they like to act brand new in 1977.
 
Hawd was never Ogaden unless you count the walashama (Wilinwili) as Ogaden. It is currently under Ogaden Xabashistan administration so I dont know what you mean by we wont “give it back”. USC did not make any small mistakes they have gigantic blunders which lead to them becoming massive failures. Isaaq moved into Doolo and were eventually removed when the Italians came.

Also we did not betray our “hosts” Isaaqs reignited the flame by killing Ogadens at the border fleeing after 77. Tit for Tat is something thats tradition between these two tribes I don’t know why they like to act brand new in 1977.

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