Somali 4.5 Needs To Be Replaced Immediately.

DR OSMAN

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I have always been anti 4.5 and I have given my reasons for my dislike of this system. Untill one man one vote system is put in place. We should share power using a simple formula which is far more realistic about clan-power dynamics.

We should allocate political quotas to clans using the 'clan insurance mechanism'. This is far more realistic and legit then 4.5. Every clan that has a a legit nabadoon and is independent and manages their own 'clan matters' should be given political representation.

We shouldn't use these out-dated terms of darod,hawiye,dir, rahanwayn, this is not how clan power is based. We must ask for proof of each clan they are independent by producing proof they pay their own 'clan insurance' and have a legit 'elder' that manages that clan. This will sort out Somali problems and be far more reflective of the on-ground realities.

Just because your a clan doesn't mean your independent, some even 'share' their 'clan insurance' which proves they are not a stand-alone clan and there-fore will not receive the same 'quota' as truly independent clans. This sort of system is fair, just, and realistic of the on-ground dynamics. When u share power using out-dated clan names, it doesn't provide peace and only leads to further conflict inside that clan.

This 4.5 disaster was brought upon us by politicians who don't understand 'clan dynamics'. That's why any system going forward needs to ensure they understand how Somali clans are based using 'mag payments' as 'proof' they are independent, if you don't manage your own clan, you will not get representation is my view and your representation will be decided by who-ever manages you.

My sub-clan bah dubays has been independent for 200 years with a legit nabadoon 'dhaxal' system and I am 'reer isim' so I know these dynamics which most of you 'peasant' underclass won't know, my sub-clan shud get the same quota as 'sacad' or 'reer diini' as there is no difference between us as we handle our own mag matters and have our own elder just like them.

Who supports this system to keep Somalia stable untill one man votes? But it's sad seeing Rahanwayn ppl getting 77 seats when in total they don't have more then 10 nabadoons becuz we can assess by looking at the 'level' of your clan where u pay mag which will show your clan's true power dynamics.
 

DR OSMAN

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@Bariire It's not fair to bring osman mahmoud all in bosaso over 2 seats when inside osman mahmoud we all independent sub-clans and have our own nabadoons. Same goes for sacad. Then u see rahanwayn eating 80 seats and they don't have even 10 nabadoons. If we shared power at nabadoon level in Somalia, all our problems would go away becuz they can control their clans.
 
Finally an Topic i can agree with Dr.Osman, and yes the medieval 4.5 system needs to be replaced with a State-based system like the USA/Canada federal system.

@Bariire It's not fair to bring osman mahmoud all in bosaso over 2 seats when inside osman mahmoud we all independent sub-clans and have our own nabadoons. Same goes for sacad. Then u see rahanwayn eating 80 seats and they don't have even 10 nabadoons.

I fully agree with you that 4.5 system has helped langaabs gains more seats while majority landheers like us MJ and Sacads have lost alot of seats.

Imagine your osman mahmoud having only 2 mp seats, or cisa mahmoud 1 mp seats while MX has an huge 14 MP seats, and even we Sacads have only 3 MPs seats while langaabs like murursade have 7 MP seats, and than we have Eelay rahanweyne who have an excessive 80 MP seats, this is outrages!

We need a fair model, either on State or District based system.


P,s my Sacad laf Odow Sacad has 6 Nabadoons (in total sacad has 15 Nabadoons and 1 Suldaan) , we had to hold an proper election for our MP seat Hop096 so that one of our 6 sub clan could win his MP seat fairly.

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DR OSMAN

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@Bariire some clans share their 'mag' between 4 to 5 clans and shit and have to decision-make with 5 sub-clans, why in the world do they get more representation then another clan who is independent n pays for his own clan and manages their decisions of peace and war.

That's why Somalia is unstable langaabs are enpowered and landheere are disempowered.
 

DR OSMAN

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@Bariire the 'title' nabadoon has to have 'clan insurance backing' we need to see proof each of them pay their own 'mag' or else it's a 'fradulent nabaadoon'. If those 15 nabadoons share their 'mag' they are 'treated' as one clan. The deciding factor is 'mag'. Whenever I see 'sacad' war with omar mahmoud or leelkase, all of you guys come together and pay 'mag' together.
 

DR OSMAN

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@Bariire in Bah dubays there are ppl who claim nabadoon title but no 'legitimacy' as they are not 'historical' like my family who is. I suspect all them sacad nabadoons are fradulent. We will find out simply where you 'pay mag' becuz by paying 'mag' you also manage your own decisions.
 
@Bariire the 'title' nabadoon has to have 'clan insurance backing' we need to see proof each of them pay their own 'mag' or else it's a 'fradulent nabaadoon'. If those 15 nabadoons share their 'mag' they are 'treated' as one clan. The deciding factor is 'mag'. Whenever I see 'sacad' war with omar mahmoud or leelkase, all of you guys come together and pay 'mag' together.
All Nabadoons listed on the Election Ergo are all an independent Clans with their own Nabadoons who pay their own Mag, no clan who pays MAG is included in the elections committee.
 

DR OSMAN

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All Nabadoons listed on the Election Ergo are all an independent Clans with their own Nabadoons who pay their own Mag, no clan who pays MAG is included in the elections committee.

Show me proof where these clans have paid 'mag', surely they have been in conflict. If they haven't been in conflict, they don't need a 'nabadoon' what's the point? A nabadoon is needed to ensure peace becuz a clan has reached 'large' numbers. I haven't seen that with 'sacad' no offence. U all come under as 'sacad' when-ever u conflict with anyone, proving you still need each other in war and therefore u share mag also.

Bah dubays left Bari and lives in nugaal among dhulos n issa mahmoud for 200 years. That's landheere, never seen 'sacad' oo kala taga, u live in hobyo only. U can't fool me waryaa, do not 'count me your 'reeros' either, 'reer means family' not beel.
 
Lmao this is why Somalia is a failed state. MJ like a shaydaan will whisper dhulmi into the ear of Hawiye and stroke your egos a bit and bam you’re onside to their nonsense. How much of Somalia’s budget comes from Taxing Raxanweyn businessmen or taxing business men from other tribes who’s gain large profits from providing goods and services to raxanweyn? How dare a MJ who’s region is far from the demographic centre with a small population and is defacto independent question the fair representation of raxanweyn? The only people in Somalia who are over represented and marexaan and Ogaden.
 
4.5 isn’t the problem. The problem is how the hell hasn’t Somalia defeated al shabaab and conducted a census that will determine parliamentary share? A lord and serf feudal system like Ethiopia will not work in Somalia and will ultimately be defeated by al shabaab like the taliban. Puntland will then declare independence. Hawiyes are ganna end up in the Stone Age sanctioned by the whole world. Hawiyes should make a fair government with raxanweyn and fix south central Somalia then when it’s fixed have talks with puntland. Simply are you in or out. Hawiye are played like a fiddle
 
LOL a darood against 4.5 first time I seen this. 4.5 is the only keeping darood relevant you are outnumbered by Hawiye rx etc. if 1 man 1 vote happens it would be sweeping victory each election for Hawiye president rx PM. I pray this happens no more 4.5 or BS district sharing thing (barre made many darood tuulos degmos)
 

Jiron

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replacing one unfair system with another is not going to work. The only solution is for every person to have a say by voting. :)
 
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Lmao this is why Somalia is a failed state. MJ like a shaydaan will whisper dhulmi into the ear of Hawiye and stroke your egos a bit and bam you’re onside to their nonsense. How much of Somalia’s budget comes from Taxing Raxanweyn businessmen or taxing business men from other tribes who’s gain large profits from providing goods and services to raxanweyn? How dare a MJ who’s region is far from the demographic centre with a small population and is defacto independent question the fair representation of raxanweyn? The only people in Somalia who are over represented and marexaan and Ogaden.
The capital being in Xamar is an advantage with perks but the same IC that keeps this nation together is the same one that wont allow any fgs admin to pushout the already self sufficient states JL/PL and create new breakaway regions as a result.

“Darood” involvement within the FGS is completely outside of Hawiyes acceptance.
 
Lmao this is why Somalia is a failed state. MJ like a shaydaan will whisper dhulmi into the ear of Hawiye and stroke your egos a bit and bam you’re onside to their nonsense. How much of Somalia’s budget comes from Taxing Raxanweyn businessmen or taxing business men from other tribes who’s gain large profits from providing goods and services to raxanweyn? How dare a MJ who’s region is far from the demographic centre with a small population and is defacto independent question the fair representation of raxanweyn? The only people in Somalia who are over represented and marexaan and Ogaden.
How do you know about the demographic make up of the country when no census has been done in close to 50 years?
 

Yusuf M

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4.5 isn’t the problem. The problem is how the hell hasn’t Somalia defeated al shabaab and conducted a census that will determine parliamentary share? A lord and serf feudal system like Ethiopia will not work in Somalia and will ultimately be defeated by al shabaab like the taliban. Puntland will then declare independence. Hawiyes are ganna end up in the Stone Age sanctioned by the whole world. Hawiyes should make a fair government with raxanweyn and fix south central Somalia then when it’s fixed have talks with puntland. Simply are you in or out. Hawiye are played like a fiddle
If I was running PL, I'd pick we're out. Good luck and goodbye.
 

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