Siyad Barre The Most Divisive Man In Modern Somalia

[DR OSMAN]

I will write a small piece on this man who ruled Somalia for 21 years, as he is still a very divisive man. I support the PRO Siyad camp and I will declare my bias, I myself wouldn't be where I am without his investment into my father diplomatic career. The supportive arguments I will list for siyad will be listed below.

1. Nothing of his calibre has been seen after him is an agreeable fact no matter how much you love your clan this is a fact
2. The man's economic vision to turn us into light manufacturing nation and converting all the peasants with jobs is a fact, where-as now what we have is a black-market(untrustable products n goods) and on top of that an oligarchy model and 99% poor.
3. The man's vision to make us energy independent thru the baardheere electricity dam
4. The man vision to bring oil developers is well known
5. His cracking down rebels n political islamists(it started in late 70s) is commendable how he say the dangers of it, as saudi was sending islamists back to their home country to radicalize the population so the west doesn't touch their oil
6. His ethno nationalism of somalinimo was 'real' undeniable(war with ethiopia)

Arguments against

1. Dictatorship and not transferring power but some dictatorships are good and benevolent, their not all the same, it's a spectrum they just usually turn out bad is the prediction
2. His targetting of of civilians in rural or urban settings due to clan, especially rural nomads infrastructure(scorch earth, maxaa ka galey dad reer miyi ah minding their own business). It could be argued his targetting of hargeisa was justified as the rebels were fighting from civilian quarters tho.
3. He was a socialist, i dont see that as an argument as it's an idealogy to put policies for local interests at the forefront not business
4. Systematic targetting of civilians in their homes in hamar with rape n disapperance. I don't know if this 100% accurate if they were doing illegal things, he can enforce the law of his govt.

My conclusions is I am pro siyad and he left behind his last wisdom before he left, which shockingly still rings true. 'Dal baan ka tagay, dad kama tagin', this curse is visible in everywhere I look in Somalia, their is a nation officially but technically their no ppl. Kind of like a computer exists but it's not functioning.

 

[DR OSMAN]

The worst hypocrits against siyad barre are those who became something and indirectly their kids and who still abuse him, those ppl must be eradicated as not genuine or loyal to even if he did good things for them. Dadkas waa dad inkaaran. My parents say siyad had his flaw but his over-all legacy speaks for himself and they never insult him as they know their successes in life is due to him. I am by-product or indirect investment that grew from siyad, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for him.

God bless ABBO SIYAD

 

[DR OSMAN]

My dad is a wise old majerten man, he was asked to come to PL by farole but refused, his said 'tusbax' ayaan wata 4 my dembi on siyad by working for him n using his salary to help SSDF. He said since due to that, his life was taken away from him by allah for being a munafaq.

He isn't like other somalis who want money or post those r the 'gaajo' ppl, his only now waiting for the 'dhaxal' of his jifi to be handed to him from his father brother as his next in line and eldest, I will provide alot of advice to him on horumarka n danta beesheena and take the mantle after him. Im secularizing my jifi bah dubays to use natural mind for the world not supernatural as my vision is we be the human capital 4 the nation. I will base my argument aa 69 IQ needs to increase first not their islam, islam needs intelligent ppl as a foundation.

Thru inteliigent ppl a more truthful knowledge based islam will develop, not the HG islam thats floating around, islam qurxoon miyad diidan tihin is my war cry as i debate the other odays of my time when im holding the mantle. Do u want an islam that is against our intelligence n reasoning n evidence, an islam that is ugly were ppl live in sewages.

 

[Hilmaam]

The plan to overthrow was doomed once we involved Ethiopians who wanted nothing less than destruction of country as revenge for war. I blame Mengistu Haile Mariam for chaos that followed it was strategic and on purpose that toppling dictator turned into civil war. All the rebel groups were supported and financed by him. Killed over 1 million of his people and can say indirectly responsible for hundreds of thousands that died in Somalia . This is what real evil looks like not siad

 

[cow]

The worst hypocrits against siyad barre are those who became something and indirectly their kids and who still abuse him, those ppl must be eradicated as not genuine or loyal to even if he did good things for them. Dadkas waa dad inkaaran. My parents say siyad had his flaw but his over-all legacy speaks for himself and they never insult him as they know their successes in life is due to him. I am by-product or indirect investment that grew from siyad, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for him.

God bless ABBO SIYAD

people like muusa biixi benefited from siyad barre. he was sent abroad to be fighter pilot. has musa ever given an isaaq kid the opportunity that siyad gave him?

 

[Jaale Ugaas]

Do you want to run for an office in Puntland? You seem to have a lot of ideas that could be taken into consideration. This is really the only thing I could think of and to be honest you'd probably make a huge impact on regional development and politics. I call it as I see it.

@DR OSMAN for Puntland Governor/President.

(why don't we call them governors instead of presidents kinda defeats the Presidential title)

 

[DR OSMAN]

people like muusa biixi benefited from siyad barre. he was sent abroad to be fighter pilot. has musa ever given an isaaq kid the opportunity that siyad gave him?

In summary dadna wax buu taray dadna wax buu ka jaray, that's why he is so divisive. But when u look at the over-all legacy and his mistakes, u need to be reasonable

 

[DR OSMAN]

@cow I forgot to mention all our infrastructure is a direct result of his great fiscal management, PL and SL possibly wouldn't exist if it wasn't for that wise investment, imagine we did leave him alone and the oil wealth, cheap electricity, our manufacturing who would've changed from light to medium or industrial scale by now.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@cow Our global image was high also under siyad, if he is so bad we wouldn't of been so respected globally n regionally and no refugees only scholarships like india n chinese students do today we would be similar, how do they reason to themselves these somali mise 'ciil' an emotion bay ku shaqayan lol. War waa ii diley siyad ama wax kuma noqon under siyad is either emotion or personal agenda u had, but the deadly combo of ciil an emotion guided by personal interest isnt how u assess a leader but look at his over-all legacy to the nation.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@cow don't let ppl lie to u, every clan is divided on the siyad topic within themselves, they just don't want u a marehan to see that. His the ataturk of modern somalia is how I see, a man we can still point to his positive impact socially-economically-militarily-infrastructure-global image. Where-as USC when i see their legacy, their nothing positive wallahi, if their was, I would say it.

 

[ogadeniaa]

The plan to overthrow was doomed once we involved Ethiopians who wanted nothing less than destruction of country as revenge for war. I blame Mengistu Haile Mariam for chaos that followed it was strategic and on purpose that toppling dictator turned into civil war. All the rebel groups were supported and financed by him. Killed over 1 million of his people and can say indirectly responsible for hundreds of thousands that died in Somalia . This is what real evil looks like not siad


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Ethiopia wants nothing less than Somalia to burn but why you gonna blame them for xoolo behaviour? Siyad supported Eritrea n TPLF did either off them destroy their nations when they came to power? what came with the warlords is their own fault n their qabiils. Tired of the deflection.

 

[FBIsomalia]

@DR OSMAN

 

[DR OSMAN]

@cow u shud demand all ports/airport/national highway is named after siyad and have clans stop twisting history and naming it after their influential people

 

[GaradShabeel]

How some Somalis until this day "supports" MSB, is for me not understandable. No matter how much you try to flip it, it still screams history revisionism. Even if you calculate the pros and cons, the latter still outweighs the former.

When you factor in his "ambitions" of wanting to improve the lives of Somali people, even in Somaliweyn by uniting all Somali land. Couldn't that also have been done, by the next person who would take over democratically after A. Sharmarke (AUN) and done in a different matter? Him doing these things was expected as the head of the Republic; to work for his people, even if he was unelected. Is it not the bare minimum, expectation-wise?

You can argue for all the good things he did, but he's the common denominator for the main problems we see today in Somalis. Obviously, Somalia since his ousting has ceased to exist as a state, if we're being honest with ourselves. The following are the rot causes I personally see:

1. Creating dictatorship. Some can argue that he's set a precedent for the actions post '91, as the next person wanted to take over and rule with an iron fist, ignoring his people's wish. Creating more mayhem. Including the authoritarian tendencies we see among our leaders today. Not to forget all the warlords, following in his footsteps. Using violence to consolidate and remain in power.

2. Oppressing his people, especially crimes against humanity. In particular the north and east. Again, also here can we see a precedent for the violence that ensured post '91. The lives of Somalis became worthless, which is why are still killing each other today. Not thinking twice before pulling the trigger, the moment we disagree with each other (civilians).

Point 1 and 2 combined is the reason to why Somalia, or remnant of the Somali Republic looks incomplete today. We wouldn't have secessionist today, were it for his actions. Yes, SNM has committed atrocities, but doesn't stand close to the havoc he did on his specific clans, as repercussions because of the rebels. Also what caused the rebels to revolt him? Were there not genuine grievances, that couldn't have been dealt with differently? We don't even trust each other today, which is we now see people wanting to rule themselves in Somalia, through de-centralization (AKA federalism). He has also invoked further clan tensions, as he became desperate towards the end. Using one clan to kill another. And fragmenting our (clan based) society. Did it stop as he left? No.

I'm a staunch anti-MSB. Probably the one Darood, who hates him the most. I'll admit it. And also someone from outside Somalia (DDS), lol. I do receive much criticism from my own people (from DDS, who were all in favor of his invasion, to free us from Ethiopia), but I stand by my beliefs, that I believe to be an accurate judgement.

But in fairness, the responsibility doesn't lie solely on him too for the Somalia we see today. But without him in Somalia's history, I am certain that we would be much more prosperous today.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Do you want to run for an office in Puntland? You seem to have a lot of ideas that could be taken into consideration. This is really the only thing I could think of and to be honest you'd probably make a huge impact on regional development and politics. I call it as I see it.

@DR OSMAN for Puntland Governor/President.

(why don't we call them governors instead of presidents kinda defeats the Presidential title)

Not this post 91 somalia, maybe when my generation r 'seniors' and there is generational shift and im working with ppl who grew up in the diaspora, anagu caqli baanu isku sheegayna lakin hadal iyo gossip iyo xabad will be dismissed.

Plus it's difficult leading while the elites are from the older generationa of siyad. They need to move n die out(baby boomers).

I do prefer a power structure based on generation(25 years per generation) so when ur generation time comes take advantage of it sxb, cuz it wont be there forever. Thats why MJ want to run with the ball and leave behind something so next generation can use that as a CV to get into power.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@cow u shud demand all ports/airport/national highway is named after siyad and have clans stop twisting history and naming it after their influential people

Wa bililiqo toos ah that's why reer bari refuse to name bosaso airport/port to anyone due to the conflict of who deserves it ileen waa legacykisa. Garowe did(even tho they did build it) were not as bad as reer Galkacyo tho who named siyad airport after 'yey'.. So the best ppl in PL is bari and then nugaal.

 

[DR OSMAN]

How some Somalis until this day "supports" MSB, is for me not understandable. No matter how much you try to flip it, it still screams history revisionism. Even if you calculate the pros and cons, the latter still outweighs the former.

When you factor in his "ambitions" of wanting to improve the lives of Somali people, even in Somaliweyn by uniting all Somali land. Couldn't that also have been done, by the next person who would take over democratically after A. Sharmarke (AUN) and done in a different matter? Him doing these things was expected as the head of the Republic; to work for his people, even if he was unelected. Is it not the bare minimum, expectation-wise?

You can argue for all the good things he did, but he's the common denominator for the main problems we see today in Somalis. Obviously, Somalia since his ousting has ceased to exist as a state, if we're being honest with ourselves. The following are the rot causes I personally see:

1. Creating dictatorship. Some can argue that he's set a precedent for the actions post '91, as the next person wanted to take over and rule with an iron fist, ignoring his people's wish. Creating more mayhem. Including the authoritarian tendencies we see among our leaders today.

2. Oppressing his people, especially crimes against humanity. In particular the north and east. Again, also here can we see a precedent for the violence that ensured post '91. The lives of Somalis became worthless, which is why are still killing each other today. Not thinking twice before pulling the trigger, the moment we disagree with each other.

Point 1 and 2 combined is the reason to why Somalia, or remnant of the Republic of Somalia looks incomplete today. We wouldn't have secessionist today. Yes, SNM has committed atrocities, but doesn't stand close to the havoc he did on his specific clans, as repercussions because of the rebels. Also what caused the rebels to revolt him? Were there not genuine grievances, that couldn't have been dealt with differently? We don't even trust each other today, which is we now see people wanting to rule themselves in Somalia, through de-centralization (AKA federalism). He has also invoked further clan tensions, as he became desperate towards the end. Using one clan to kill another. And fragmenting our (clan based) society. Did it stop as he left? No.

I'm a staunch anti-MSB. Probably the one Darood, who hates him the most. I'll admit it. And also someone from outside Somalia (DDS), lol. I do receive much criticism from my own people (from DDS, who were all in favor of his invasion, to free us from Ethiopia), but I stand by my beliefs, that I believe to be an accurate judgement.

But in fairness, the responsibility doesn't lie solely on him too for the Somalia we see today. But without him in Somalia's history, I am certain that we would be much more prosperous today.

Nice analysis brother. I agree 100% his political culture has impacted on baby-boomers(generation under him) and also the student generation(gen x), they don't know how to govern without using his style of governance due to the generation their from.

Did he play a role in clan isku dir no doubt(divide n conquer) but wat his intention was, needs to be acknowledged(to hold our nation together and remain in power). I doubt siyad did anything if it wasn't for keeping the nation intact and stable.

Did he target hargeisa civilians, yes he did, but to deny SNM also put their own ppl in the firing line by fighting from civilian quarters is dishonest brother. Any nation will fight to remove rebels, they will use as much force as necessary(ask abi ahmed n tigray) depending on the rebel tactics for the greater good of the whole nation not the interests of the 'few'.

I still don't know why he targetted nomadic infrastructure unless nomads were supply-line for SSDF and if that's the case, it's fair game in warfare, if u don't want to be killed and attacked, don't pick up a gun in the first place and cause instability is only fair.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@GaradShabeel waan ku dila ha ii dilin war ma aha, rebels picked up guns first, siyad responded. Any nation will remove rebels ask america even and the confederates, ask abi ahmed n tigray. This isn't something unique to siyad, dont hold him to a higher standard then the global norm. Plus no1 ever mentions SNM used their civilians as cannon fodder, they also shoulder their blame unlike what were taught thru 'somali woke narrative' that SNM r maskins and siyad decimated them. I disagree with that totally siyad didnt start targetting them if they didnt rebel in the first place.

 

[DalsanJubiland]

Stop this Dr Osman!!!
I wish Said Bare is back today
Considering what SNM is doing.
What ever Syad Bare did is over
SNM did worst
Guul SNM
Down SNM
AUN M Sayid Bare

 

[Calaami]

I won’t lie, MSB dowlad built nearly all the infrastructure we have. Somali leaders are given hundreds of millions to repaint the roads he built with a tenth the capital.

An oday told me of how when he was a teacher in Bari, in one of the extreme points I wanna say Caluula there was a typhoon/hurricane. MSB sent military helicopters to evacuate the town. Who does that?