Since Somalia is headed to confederalism, will each FMS have its own identification/Vehicle system?

[DR OSMAN]

@cow If the civilians decide who runs their affair isn't the issue. I support our public offices are open for competition, why drag the goal-post to something irrelevant. The issue is what sort of power should be at local-regional-federal level, not if those offices are going to be contested in open and fair elections. I think @Pwyneth Galtrow was right about your people, speaking to one of you or all of you doesn't matter, your all abbo worshippers, with absolute no diversity of thought. Just damn NN bots

 

[cow]

@cow If the civilians decide who runs their affair isn't the issue. I support our public offices are open for competition, why drag the goal-post to something irrelevant. The issue is what sort of power should be at local-regional-federal level, not if those offices are going to be contested in open and fair elections. I think @Pwyneth Galtrow was right about your people, speaking to one of you or all of you doesn't matter, your all abbo worshippers, with absolute no diversity of thought. Just damn NN bots

You are the one that mentioned siyad barre and then said siyad barre and his government is null and void and when i countered your weak arguments with solid facts and showed your munaafiqnimo (hypocracy) ways, you tag the local yokel lol. We all know what she will say. she won't bring any intelligent conversations but that is exactly what you want since you don't have the capacity to refute anything I said.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

@cow If the civilians decide who runs their affair isn't the issue. I support our public offices are open for competition, why drag the goal-post to something irrelevant. The issue is what sort of power should be at local-regional-federal level, not if those offices are going to be contested in open and fair elections. I think @Pwyneth Galtrow was right about your people, speaking to one of you or all of you doesn't matter, your all abbo worshippers, with absolute no diversity of thought. Just damn NN bots

Do yourself a favour and place these BOTS on ignore, they never have anything interesting or even decent to say.

 

[En_Sabah Nur]

Federalism works perfectly well in many developed countries. It just requires agreements between states and other countries. For example, in Canada, the provinces are responsible for issuing drivers licenses. Each province has its own rules when it comes to exchanging licenses from other jurisdictions.

There is only certain group of people who are not able to build their own institutions that are afraid of federalism in Somalia.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@cow How do u want the federal-regional-local governments to share power. How much will be allocated to each level. Budgetary-Policy-Service Delivery are the main issues of contention. Policy needs to be gathered locally and thru that competition between parties on who can translate local needs into effective policy to address those needs.

Then they're will be an issue around control and management of 'public revenue or budget' who has that? feds-regional-local? then it's about 'service delivery' who actually implements the policy, feds-regional-local and the implementing partner process whether it's foreign or local and it's process.

See those type of areas are what our constitution will clearly 'delimit' so there is no isqabqabsi like there is now. There is no way those functions can be managed at federal level without huge corruption happening because it's so far away from local check n balances which is the people and public audit institutions.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Pwyneth Galtrow I remember Gaas in one of this speeches mentioned we as Somalis fixate over 'division of power' which is the 'vertical structure of feds-regions-local' or in other words the top-down method of '1 big boss and subordinate employees' Yet no-one in our nation discusses horizontal power-sharing which is like 'executive, parliament, and courts' which are 'equal' in power and keep each other in check from becoming tyrannical. If a govt is in-efficient or doesn't get things done, well thru election mode, the ppl will get rid of them so this will encourage government to work for the people in order to get the votes.

But currently with our weak horizontal power-sharing there is nothing stopping from 'abbo siyad tyranny' to re-emerge if we don't focus on horizontal power-sharing to ensure no-one becomes a tyrant using state functions whether at court-executive-parliament level. We need the courts n parliament to be corrupt free and totally independent from the executive.

 

[InaShaqalle]

@DR OSMAN are you concerned about horizontal power-sharing in your state?

 

[cow]

@cow How do u want the federal-regional-local governments to share power. How much will be allocated to each level. Budgetary-Policy-Service Delivery are the main issues of contention. Policy needs to be gathered locally and thru that competition between parties on who can translate local needs into effective policy to address those needs.

Then they're will be an issue around control and management of 'public revenue or budget' who has that? feds-regional-local? then it's about 'service delivery' who actually implements the policy, feds-regional-local and the implementing partner process whether it's foreign or local and it's process.

See those type of areas are what our constitution will clearly 'delimit' so there is no isqabqabsi like there is now. There is no way those functions can be managed at federal level without huge corruption happening because it's so far away from local check n balances which is the people and public audit institutions.

@DR OSMAN since you changed your attitude and pleaded the 5th with my questions i take it as you fully agree with my position.

to answer your question on: How do I want the federal-regional-local governments to share power

Before anything of that sort is discussed AMISOM must first leave Somalia. A FMS that solely relies on AMISOM is no real FMS. Next would be security, al shabaab needs to dealt with by the locals with the support of the federal government.

Then a series of referendums must be held. First referendum is per district and they should be asked which federal member state do they want to be part of if non then their is an option where the central government rules you like banaadir until 1p1v is done wherein you will elect your own representatives. For example Galdogob will be asked if they want to be part of galmudug or puntland as they are the nearest FMS or be part of the central government.

As for revenue and its collection that comes later, questions such as what is federal tax what is state tax and what is district tax that needs to be agreed upon however federal tax will be same for each region and the federal government will be in charge.

The state tax and district tax comes under each one respectively. It has nothing to do with the federal government. as for mining and natural resources those come under the federal government where it will give back 20 percent to the district and 20 percent to the FMS in development projects.

 

[Macawisley]

Italian somaliland before siyad barre had the following regions

Basso Giuba
Alto Giuba
Benadir
Hiran
Migiurtinia
Mudugh

Siyad barre then split those regions up and created for example Bari and Nugaal from Migiurtinia. If Siyad barre is null and void then Puntland does not meet the 2 or more regions to form a state which means Puntland according to you and Faroole cannot be a federal state.

Still wonder why Siad Barre left Hiiraan and didn’t bother to split it. That’s pure dulmi. Hiiraan had 12 seats in 1960 and Majeertenia had 13 and they became split into 2 but Hiiraan still the same.

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

Only leaches who can’t do shit for themselves will be against confederation.

Still wonder why Siad Barre left Hiiraan and didn’t bother to split it. That’s pure dulmi. Hiiraan had 12 seats in 1960 and Majeertenia had 13 and they became split into 2 but Hiiraan still the same.

perhaps he was looking at land size. Bigger gobols getting split?

 

[cow]

Only leaches who can’t do shit for themselves will be against confederation.

perhaps he was looking at land size. Bigger gobols getting split?

Only a leech would ask for confederation, why not be man enough to ask for full independence.

only leeches that cannot survive being an independent country or smell the presidency in a central government ask for confederation. At least Somaliland is man enough to try independence.

 

[En_Sabah Nur]

Only a leech would ask for confederation, why not be man enough to ask for full independence.

only leeches that cannot survive being an independent country or smell the presidency in a central government ask for confederation. At least Somaliland is man enough to try independence.

Somaliland doesn’t have connections to the south. PL citizens have strong connections to the south. They have businesses, family and boon maids in Kismayo. If they were to leave Kismayo, your family would be destitute, so be happy majority don’t want independence.

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

Only a leech would ask for confederation, why not be man enough to ask for full independence.

only leeches that cannot survive being an independent country or smell the presidency in a central government ask for confederation. At least Somaliland is man enough to try independence.

Ibn tedros, I would take independence in a heartbeat but unfortunately we have some amongst us who believe it’s their responsibility to save this dead xaraam of a union. The next step from confederation is naturally balkanisation. Step by step inshallah.

 

[cow]

Somaliland doesn’t have connections to the south. PL citizens have strong connections to the south. They have businesses, family and boon maids in Kismayo. If they were to leave Kismayo, your family would be destitute, so be happy majority don’t want independence.

don't quote me again kid. you don't own jack shit in kismaayo.

 

[En_Sabah Nur]

don't quote me again kid. you don't own jack shit in kismaayo.

Oohinta jooji sxb. This is a public forum, no need to be a emotional doocil.

 

[cow]

Ibn tedros, I would take independence in a heartbeat but unfortunately we have some amongst us who believe it’s their responsibility to save this dead xaraam of a union. The next step from confederation is naturally balkanisation. Step by step inshallah.

why do you care what others think. why don't you adopt the secessionist movement ?

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

why do you care what others think. why don't you adopt the secessionist movement ?

I have one foot in and one out

 

[cow]

I have one foot in and one out

a stealth secessionist

 

[Taayar]

Great thread.

Yes, we should have our own ID's and borders. But I believe that Galmudug, Hiirshebelle, Benedir including lower Shebelle should just have 1 system with 1 ID and 1 license plate. Our security forces should also be one and non-outsiders can never be given security or top positions.

Inshallah in the future we should aim to just have one president rather than 3 and power should be shared along tribal lines between the Hawiye clans. We must make it clear that this new super state is Hawiye and has nothing to do with Somalimo or Somali. Meaning that an outsider has no future here.

People from Somaliland, Puntland, Konfuur Galbeed should be treated as foreigners. Can not apply for local jobs or open business unless with a local sponsor.

This forum is filled with clanist xoolos. The xaram Ceyr money made you guys caqli lix saac

 

[IPushFatKids]

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Well now since every state have its own car plates, will each state have also their own FMS ID system? This also has its own benefits in maintaining security and to counter terrorism.

Each State already have their own police, State Forces, why not an identification system?

What do you think?

@DR OSMAN and others.

What exactly is the purpose of each state having its own identification system? No one has clarified what this even means, seems people here are just satisfied in hearing they have their "own something".

Do you mean each state has its own vendor specific identification system, with its own biometric system, different database, that are not interoperable at all?

That is something totally different to "each state having the capability to issue their own driver license". It would be a complete disaster if each state has its own system. These systems often require a lot of maintenance & training & we cannot afford the costs that will be incurred from this terrible idea. Each state can all agree to purchase/use the same system/or systems that are interoperable & share the costs of procuring and maintenance, at the same time have full control on issue licenses. I don't see any benefit in choosing systems that are deliberately not interoperable.