Since Somalia is headed to confederalism, will each FMS have its own identification/Vehicle system?

[Macawisley]

Well now since every state have its own car plates, will each state have also their own FMS ID system? This also has its own benefits in maintaining security and to counter terrorism.

Each State already have their own police, State Forces, why not an identification system?

What do you think?

 

[Galmudug-State]

Great thread.

Yes, we should have our own ID's and borders. But I believe that Galmudug, Hiirshebelle, Benedir including lower Shebelle should just have 1 system with 1 ID and 1 license plate. Our security forces should also be one and non-outsiders can never be given security or top positions.

Inshallah in the future we should aim to just have one president rather than 3 and power should be shared along tribal lines between the Hawiye clans. We must make it clear that this new super state is Hawiye and has nothing to do with Somalimo or Somali. Meaning that an outsider has no future here.

People from Somaliland, Puntland, Konfuur Galbeed should be treated as foreigners. Can not apply for local jobs or open business unless with a local sponsor.

 

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Im not against regional license plates its useful for law enforcement but with Somalias context of clan violence and tit for tat its probably better not to deal with that as long the country isnt yet split.

 

[Yuusuf the great]

Great thread.

Yes, we should have our own ID's and borders. But I believe that Galmudug, Hiirshebelle, Benedir including lower Shebelle should just have 1 system with 1 ID and 1 license plate. Our security forces should also be one and non-outsiders can never be given security or top positions.

Inshallah in the future we should aim to just have one president rather than 3 and power should be shared along tribal lines between the Hawiye clans. We must make it clear that this new super state is Hawiye and has nothing to do with Somalimo or Somali. Meaning that an outsider has no future here.

People from Somaliland, Puntland, Konfuur Galbeed should be treated as foreigners. Can not apply for local jobs or open business unless with a local sponsor.

Rageedii , your people needs to take your advice

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Puntland already has ID cards for its people and they were used in the recent pilot elections.
These people also have their fingerprints registered on the biometric system.

 

[Macawisley]

Puntland already has ID cards for its people and they were used in the recent pilot elections.
These people also have their fingerprints registered on the biometric system.

Mashallah this is what we should strive for. Very good

 

[Kingmufasa]

Great thread.

Yes, we should have our own ID's and borders. But I believe that Galmudug, Hiirshebelle, Benedir including lower Shebelle should just have 1 system with 1 ID and 1 license plate. Our security forces should also be one and non-outsiders can never be given security or top positions.

Inshallah in the future we should aim to just have one president rather than 3 and power should be shared along tribal lines between the Hawiye clans. We must make it clear that this new super state is Hawiye and has nothing to do with Somalimo or Somali. Meaning that an outsider has no future here.

People from Somaliland, Puntland, Konfuur Galbeed should be treated as foreigners. Can not apply for local jobs or open business unless with a local sponsor.

If you want nothing to do with somali/sonalinimo why don't you create Hawiyespot and leave this forum for Somalis

 

[Kingmufasa]

Yes, each state should have its own identification and number plate but allow federal institutions access to the databases.

 

[cow]

I would rather Somalia split into different countries then confederalism.

 

[InaShaqalle]

I would rather Somalia split into different countries then confederalism.

Fine by me, every FMS in Somalia along with SL is larger than Djibouti plus each has a coastline. What's wrong with unity based on a weak federal government?

 

[DR OSMAN]

Great thread.

Yes, we should have our own ID's and borders. But I believe that Galmudug, Hiirshebelle, Benedir including lower Shebelle should just have 1 system with 1 ID and 1 license plate. Our security forces should also be one and non-outsiders can never be given security or top positions.

Inshallah in the future we should aim to just have one president rather than 3 and power should be shared along tribal lines between the Hawiye clans. We must make it clear that this new super state is Hawiye and has nothing to do with Somalimo or Somali. Meaning that an outsider has no future here.

People from Somaliland, Puntland, Konfuur Galbeed should be treated as foreigners. Can not apply for local jobs or open business unless with a local sponsor.

Keep dreaming, no greater hawiye state is allowed for u. Your easily manageable when divided as u all then have different interests, similar to abgaal/hg wars, we won't allow for another repeat of USC again. Only PL is allowed a super-state of 1/3 of Somali population under our President, u won't divide us, we stand united as federalist.

 

[DR OSMAN]

If you want nothing to do with somali/sonalinimo why don't you create Hawiyespot and leave this forum for Somalis

@Galmudug-State is like me, we hate somalinimo as an ethno-nationalist idealogy, we don't mind somalinimo as a social thing, just not politics, we perform far better separately then we do united. I agree with GM state on this, the less we have to do with each other, the better we perform.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I would rather Somalia split into different countries then confederalism.

Listen u abbo siyad worshipper. We need to start small not big, we need to build local not national, u r like a kid who want's to run before he can crawl. No-one knows if Somalia once all the pieces on the map are functioning will become central, federal, or confederal.

But right now during this reconstruction stage, it must be confederal with a time-line implemented to become 'federal' and then another timeline to review if confederal, federal or central is appropriate, if we rush or centralize reconstruction, the whole nation can collapse and return to 91 status.

 

[cow]

Fine by me, every FMS in Somalia along with SL is larger than Djibouti plus each has a coastline. What's wrong with unity based on a weak federal government?

It just won't work. how will you deal with for what age a person can get driving license? what if galmudug says at 16 you are allowed and jubbaland says 18 you can get driving license.

does that mean that a 16 year old galmudug boy with a driving license cannot drive in jubbaland?

that is just a simple example and the tip of the ice berg.

 

[DR OSMAN]

It just won't work. how will you deal with for what age a person can get driving license? what if galmudug says at 16 you are allowed and jubbaland says 18 you can get driving license?

does that mean that a 16 year old galmudug boy with a driving license cannot drive in jubbaland?

that is just a simple example and the tip of the ice berg.

Why do u care so much for other somalis yet ignore your own people at the local level, this doesn't give anyone confidence you are genuine person when your own are not a priority. Charity starts home not with your neighbors, where-as with ur views charity seem to start with ur neighbors while your own are neglected. You are very back to front

 

[cow]

Listen u abbo siyad worshipper. We need to start small not big, we need to build local not national, u r like a kid who want's to run before he can crawl. No-one knows if Somalia once all the pieces on the map are functioning will become central, federal, or confederal.

But right now during this reconstruction stage, it must be confederal with a time-line implemented to become 'federal' and then another timeline to review if confederal, federal or central is appropriate, if we rush or centralize reconstruction, the whole nation can collapse and return to 91 status.

Why do u care so much for other somalis yet ignore your own people at the local level, this doesn't give anyone confidence you are genuine person when your own are not a priority. Charity starts home not with your neighbors, where-as with ur views charity seem to start with ur neighbors while your own are neglected. You are very back to front

I am disappointed in you @DR OSMAN you act like you are an intellectual but when faced with a proper question you resort in attacking the questioner instead of rationally and logically answering the question which is evident from your irrational response on your second post. Nothing you wrote addressed anything regarding this topic nor did it add anything beneficial towards this discussion.

Now I would like to talk about the bolded statements you made. If no one knows if the country will go centralist, confederalist or federal then the last agreed upon model of governance is the law which is centralist you may argue that the country is federalist which is agree with, but the discussion now should be what kind of federalist country should we have and up until a new and agreed upon constitution is implemented the old and current constitution is the law.

@DR OSMAN law and constitution is not about feelings. i gave a simple scenario to @InaShaqalle of differences between driving license in a confederalist model, why don't you answer it since you interjected yourself.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I am disappointed in you @DR OSMAN you act like you are an intellectual but when faced with a proper question you resort in attacking the questioner instead of rationally and logically answering the question which is evident from your irrational response on your second post. Nothing you wrote addressed anything regarding this topic nor did it add anything beneficial towards this discussion.

Now I would like to talk about the bolded statements you made. If no one knows if the country will go centralist, confederalist or federal then the last agreed upon model of governance is the law which is centralist you may argue that the country is federalist which is agree with, but the discussion now should be what kind of federalist country should we have and up until a new and agreed upon constitution is implemented the old and current constitution is the law.

@DR OSMAN law and constitution is not about feelings.

Ok I will respond rationally but you marehans don't tend to have diverse political thoughts, do u know in the recent pilot elections of PL, two brothers were in two different parties, same with a husband and wife, this is showing u PL has diverse thought even at the civilian level, where-as I doubt this exists in Marehan.

The last legal system was infact illegal itself since it came through a 'coup', I am stunned we even still use it's internal states. The other thing what type of federalism has been answered many times by us, we want nothing less then the PL/JL model not the GM/HS/SW model.

That means decentralized local governments all the way down to villages with minimal coordination from regional states or federal authorities. We want to foster competition between towns and devolve power at the lowest level so it doesn't get corrupted at a single point such as a federal or regional authority. To combat corruption when the local has the government near him, there is less chance for corruption to occur. So if someone is living in Caluula and the govt is devolved to his level, it's better then the govt 700 km away in Garowe or even worse 1500 km in Hamar.

The further the government is, the more likely of corruption because the govt isn't there among the ppl to keep it in check, it may not know what's best for the ppl if they are not allowing the locals to decide n run their own fate with the absolute limited regional n federal involvement in the process.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@cow no matter how much of a sadist you are, your abbo came to power ilegally, anything he did is null n void if you want to follow the law to a T. Niin isaga sharciga jebiye ayaad rabta nidaamkisa la raco wax macqul ma aha. Arimaha dasturka waxay uu taala 'shacabka' not some ABBO. We will also allow Somalis to decide when the constitution is finalized

 

[cow]

Ok I will respond rationally but you marehans don't tend to have diverse political thoughts, do u know in the recent pilot elections of PL, two brothers were in two different parties, same with a husband and wife, this is showing u PL has diverse thought even at the civilian level, where-as I doubt this exists in Marehan.

The last legal system was infact illegal itself since it came through a 'coup', I am stunned we even still use it's internal states. The other thing what type of federalism has been answered many times by us, we want nothing less then the PL/JL model not the GM/HS/SW model.

That means decentralized local governments all the way down to villages with minimal coordination from regional states or federal authorities. We want to foster competition between towns and devolve power at the lowest level so it doesn't get corrupted at a single point such as a federal or regional authority. To combat corruption when the local has the government near him, there is less chance for corruption to occur. So if someone is living in Caluula and the govt is devolved to his level, it's better then the govt 700 km away in Garowe or even worse 1500 km in Hamar.

The further the government is, the more likely of corruption because the govt isn't there among the ppl to keep it in check, it may not know what's best for the ppl if they are not allowing the locals to decide n run their own fate with the absolute limited regional n federal involvement in the process.

You did not answer any of the questions and you still resort to nonsense that have nothing to do with this discussion. What does marehan have to do with the model of federalism to country should go to?

As for Jubbaland if you mean the regime of the man holed up in Kismaayo using Kenyan tanks then it is not federalist it is a Kenyan colony he takes his orders from Nairobi he is more centralist then GM/SW/HS. the only problem is he is centralist towards Nairobi.

Now to answer the rest of what you wrote it is simple, 1p1v solves everything you just said. if a mayor is voted by the people then a president cannot fire him as he was not the one that appointed him in the first place.

As for you unestablished accusations towards the kacaan government. it is evident up until today that the last law this country had was the kacaan law infact the 18 regions used today in your federalism model comes from the kacaan government as it was them that made somalia into 18 regions. Also when buying land or a house people still only trust deeds from the kacaan era and not made up crap.

if you are against kacaan then you should be against bari and nugaal being a region which means that you would not have the 2 or more regions to form a state. you would have one region called Migiurtinia.

 

[cow]

@cow no matter how much of a sadist you are, your abbo came to power ilegally, anything he did is null n void if you want to follow the law to a T. Niin isaga sharciga jebiye ayaad rabta nidaamkisa la raco wax macqul ma aha. Arimaha dasturka waxay uu taala 'shacabka' not some ABBO. We will also allow Somalis to decide when the constitution is finalized

Italian somaliland before siyad barre had the following regions

Basso Giuba
Alto Giuba
Benadir
Hiran
Migiurtinia
Mudugh

Siyad barre then split those regions up and created for example Bari and Nugaal from Migiurtinia. If Siyad barre is null and void then Puntland does not meet the 2 or more regions to form a state which means Puntland according to you and Faroole cannot be a federal state.