Siad barre on somali nature and socialism

[Zakeriya]

EGYPTIAN MAGAZINE INTERVIEWS PRESIDENT BARRE

Cairo ROSE AL-YUTSUF: in Arabic, Feb 02, 1976, pp 35, 36, 37, 38, 94

[ROSE AL-YUSUF Editor Muhammad Awdah's interview with Somali President, Mohammed Siad Barre--no date or place given]



[Excerpts]



Question: NO One can deny Somalia’s importance for Egypt in particular, whether from the military or the strategic standpoints. Therefore, the Egyptian public has the right to ask: What exactly is your stand toward Islam?



Answer: The Egyptian public should not have found any difficulty in answering this question. The Somali people are 100 percent Muslim. The Somali revolution is a legitimate, loyal and benevolent offspring of the 23 July revolution. The Somali revolution has studied all the lessons of the mother revolution, but it wanted to move one step ahead on the same road.



Question: A step toward Marxism. Is that not so'? The question is, why this choice'?



Answer: Because the Somalis are a simple and frank people. They call things by their names. We did not have any other choice. Since we have chosen socialism, this socialism should be a genuine one. And if this socialism is to be genuine, it must be scientific.



Socialism in essence is the science of interpreting and changing society. There is no other definition. If genuine socialism is Marxism, why then are we afraid of it or beat around the bush? Why not go to it directly? The schools and the great socialist experiments, which proved correct, are Marxist. Why not learn from them and copy them?



We are a society unique in our backwardness. The United Nations classifies us on top of the list of the 25 most underdeveloped states in the world. Seventy percent of our people are still living in a state of pre-feudal nomadism. They cannot remain as they are for another decade. We must transform our people from nomadism and famine to life and dignity.



Therefore, we have no other alternative but to seize control of all our natural resources and to mobilize all our resources and capabilities. We must also plan all our production needs and calculate all our steps. This is what we mean by Scientific Socialism. Our choice of Scientific Socialism was not casual or accidental. We had important parties, bodies and personalities calling for socialism. However, they were calling for all kinds of socialism--Somali, Islamic, African or Arab brands of socialism.



There was only one brand of socialism which they averted and were very hostile to, namely Scientific Socialism. All of them achieved nothing. On the contrary, socialism for them was a mere facade to cover up tribal, party or personal interests or ambitions. It had nothing to do with the people's needs.



We looked around at states and regimes in the African continent declaring socialism and calling for it. However, in application it was nothing more than slogans concealing the capitalist and exploitative nature of the ruling cliques in these states.



Through our choice of Scientific Marxist Socialism, we wanted to affirm the seriousness, and decisiveness of the choice, to rehabilitate socialism and to restore the masses ‘confidence masses’ enthusiasm and support for the choice have increased. We did not want to deceive ourselves and the people by hollow slogans which mean nothing. We declared our choice of a Scientific, revolutionary course capable of coping with our reality and problems.



Perhaps we do not have classes in the Marxist sense of the word. However, the majority is persecuted and exploited. This majority constitutes shepherds, peasants, fishermen, small employees and soldiers. On the other extreme, we have the minority which constitutes the exploiters and parasites. They follow the same line and are affiliated with foreigners.



Question: But our spiritual, cultural and national heritage is an Islamic heritage. Does that not conflict with the choice of Marxism?



Answer: The Somalis are Muslim Arabs. They fully understand the meaning of Arabism as a nationality, and Islam as a religion which came to establish justice and equality among the people. Our history is a history of struggle for the sake of our personality, nationalism and religion. The Somali people are a Muslim people fully believing in Islam. On several occasions, the entire Somali people rose to defend Islam and to repulse all the threats and invasions directed against the religion and the homeland.



Socialism, of course, is not a divine mission like Islam. It is purely a system to regulate relations between people, and to use the means of Production for the good of everyone. Therefore, there can be no contradiction between our effort to regulate our resources and national production on the one hand and Islam on the other.



God created man and gave him the blessing of the mind to distinguish between good and evil, virtue and vice. We have chosen Scientific Socialism because it is the best means to liberate the Somali Muslim, and to provide him with the ingredients of a dignified, honorable life so that he can eat, work, become educated, know the regulations of his religion and perform his religious rites. Nevertheless, a group of reactionaries attempted. to create a gap between Socialism and Islam, because Socialism is not in harmony with their ambitions and interests. Therefore, they wanted to ban it and disguise their greed and exploitation in a robe of holiness. They went out of their way to twist God 's words and to distort the essence of religion.

 

[Zakeriya]

@AhmedSmelly @LoveandLight

 

[Zakeriya]

@AhmedSmelly @LoveandLight siad barre talking about imperialists using religion

Question: Was this the point when the campaign in the name of religion began?



Answer: Yes. The exploitation of religion has now become Imperialism's first, last and most important weapon. Reactionaries and imperialists have now become the protectors and guards of religion against its enemies. Imagine who are these “enemies?” They are those who seek to rid the peoples of injustice – banned by God – and to eliminate people’s persecution and repression, which religion came to alleviate.



At the beginning, we thought that it was a reactionary outburst which would eventually end. However, we were surprised by a coordinated, loud, noisy and very violent orchestra playing uninterruptedly against us. I, one, who has lived as a faithful Muslim and will die so, became an atheist according to them. They threatened to murder me. Somalia, which has been, throughout its entire history, Islam’s fortress and shield in East Africa, from where Islam was introduced and spread in Africa, became according to them, a communist and debased state.

 

[AhmedSmelly]

You should have edited out the "The Somalis are Muslim Arabs". We started this Pan-arab just a half a century ago. Before that, we only had one commen thing with arabs. Our religion. Yes some minority tribes in Somalia have arab ancestory. We were always wary of arabs from the middle east, until they got filthy rich and we wanted a piece of their cake. We threw our pride away, just so people could associate us with them.

Sorry for the rant,

 

[Zakeriya]

You should have edited out the "The Somalis are Muslim Arabs". We started this Pan-arab just a half a century ago. Before that, we only had one commen thing with arabs. Our religion. Yes some minority tribes in Somalia have arab ancestory. We were always wary of arabs from the middle east, until they got filthy rich and we wanted a piece of their cake. We threw our pride away, just so people could associate us with them.

Sorry for the rant,

He was under attack for being a god less socialist Of course he would play up the Arab part. He was on defense

 

[Ayubi]

@TekNiKo @Sheikh do you agree with what Siyad Barre said? I agree with him being Arabs. My favourite quote

Answer: "The Somalis are Muslim Arabs. They fully understand the meaning of Arabism as a nationality, and Islam as a religion which came to establish justice and equality among the people. Our history is a history of struggle for the sake of our personality, nationalism and religion. The Somali people are a Muslim people fully believing in Islam. On several occasions, the entire Somali people rose to defend Islam and to repulse all the threats and invasions directed against the religion and the homeland."

@Robin Siyad knows the truth which many of us deny

Time to celebrate our carabnimo

 

[land owner]

The Somalis are Muslim Arabs. They fully understand the meaning of Arabism as a nationality

 

[Nomoregames2019]

You should have edited out the "The Somalis are Muslim Arabs". We started this Pan-arab just a half a century ago. Before that, we only had one commen thing with arabs. Our religion. Yes some minority tribes in Somalia have arab ancestory. We were always wary of arabs from the middle east, until they got filthy rich and we wanted a piece of their cake. We threw our pride away, just so people could associate us with them.

Sorry for the rant,

Just except you guys are considered to be as an Arab country. You're apart of the Arab league and Arabic is an official language in Somalia.

 

[AhmedSmelly]

@AhmedSmelly @LoveandLight siad barre talking about imperialists using religion

Question: Was this the point when the campaign in the name of religion began?



Answer: Yes. The exploitation of religion has now become Imperialism's first, last and most important weapon. Reactionaries and imperialists have now become the protectors and guards of religion against its enemies. Imagine who are these “enemies?” They are those who seek to rid the peoples of injustice – banned by God – and to eliminate people’s persecution and repression, which religion came to alleviate.



At the beginning, we thought that it was a reactionary outburst which would eventually end. However, we were surprised by a coordinated, loud, noisy and very violent orchestra playing uninterruptedly against us. I, one, who has lived as a faithful Muslim and will die so, became an atheist according to them. They threatened to murder me. Somalia, which has been, throughout its entire history, Islam’s fortress and shield in East Africa, from where Islam was introduced and spread in Africa, became according to them, a communist and debased state.

He said he lived as a "faithful muslim". When was that, when he bombed innocent people. When he used clan rivarly to gain the upper hand. He used every filthy card just so he could stay in power. He was the one who started the hate between clans. People intermarried between tribes before the civil war. No one cared about your tribe name. Now the problem is so bad, people wont give their sister her inheritance because she married another tribe and it will benifit the other tribe's children, your own nephews and nieces . Wallahi I am not lying.

He died on the toilet

 

[Nomoregames2019]

He said he lived as a "faithful muslim". When was that, when he bombed innocent people. When he used clan rivarly to gain the upper hand. He used every filthy card just so he could stay in power. He was the one who started the hate between clans. People intermarried between tribes before the civil war. No one cared about your tribe name. Now the problem is so bad, people wont give their sister her inheritance because she married another tribe and it will benifit the other tribe's children, your own nephews and nieces . Wallahi I am not lying.

He died on the toilet

Same shit happened in Sudan hence why Bashir ruled for so long.

 

[Zakeriya]

@TekNiKo @Sheikh do you agree with what Siyad Barre said? I agree with him being Arabs. My favourite quote

Answer: "The Somalis are Muslim Arabs. They fully understand the meaning of Arabism as a nationality, and Islam as a religion which came to establish justice and equality among the people. Our history is a history of struggle for the sake of our personality, nationalism and religion. The Somali people are a Muslim people fully believing in Islam. On several occasions, the entire Somali people rose to defend Islam and to repulse all the threats and invasions directed against the religion and the homeland."

@Robin Siyad knows the truth which many of us deny

The context of this interview is when he killed the sheikhs and people began to riot and call him anti Muslim. @land owner and there are other interviews where he talked about being African if that helps

 

[Zakeriya]

He said he lived as a "faithful muslim". When was that, when he bombed innocent people. When he used clan rivarly to gain the upper hand. He used every filthy card just so he could stay in power. He was the one who started the hate between clans. People intermarried between tribes before the civil war. No one cared about your tribe name. Now the problem is so bad, people wont give their sister her inheritance because she married another tribe and it will benifit the other tribe's children, your own nephews and nieces . Wallahi I am not lying.

He died on the toilet

All facts, in fact when the Soviets told him to Leave Ogaden alone the MJs agreed they should but he did it anyway and lost. When the MJs rebelled after the loss he poisoned their wells and killed their livestock

 

[AhmedSmelly]

Just except you guys are considered to be as an Arab country. You're apart of the Arab league and Arabic is an official language in Somalia.

Our ancestors are not arab. Just because I join an LGBT league, does that mean I am gay, no I could be an arab.

Stop your trolling dude. Some Somali clans have arab minorites but dont group us with the minority. We are proud to be ourselves, proud to be people of the horn.

 

[Zakeriya]

Fidel Castro on Siad Barre, wallahi he was a lunatic.

Fidel: After my talk with Siad Barre, I told Mengistu about Barre's attitude, and asked him to remain calm. I already felt bad about having invited Mengistu to Aden while there was still a powder keg situation back in his country and that in such a tense situation he was to hear out the Somalis' territorial demands. With regards to my question about the situation of the Ethiopian army, Mengistu said that there were still difficulties but that he didn't think that there was an acute danger of a coup. When the meeting started, Siad Barre immediately began speaking. Siad Barre is a general who was educated under colonialism. The revolution in Somalia is led by generals who all became powerful under colonial times. I have made up my mind about Siad Barre, he is above all a chauvinist.

 

[Frostybigmo1]

EGYPTIAN MAGAZINE INTERVIEWS PRESIDENT BARRE

Cairo ROSE AL-YUTSUF: in Arabic, Feb 02, 1976, pp 35, 36, 37, 38, 94

[ROSE AL-YUSUF Editor Muhammad Awdah's interview with Somali President, Mohammed Siad Barre--no date or place given]



[Excerpts]



Question: NO One can deny Somalia’s importance for Egypt in particular, whether from the military or the strategic standpoints. Therefore, the Egyptian public has the right to ask: What exactly is your stand toward Islam?



Answer: The Egyptian public should not have found any difficulty in answering this question. The Somali people are 100 percent Muslim. The Somali revolution is a legitimate, loyal and benevolent offspring of the 23 July revolution. The Somali revolution has studied all the lessons of the mother revolution, but it wanted to move one step ahead on the same road.



Question: A step toward Marxism. Is that not so'? The question is, why this choice'?



Answer: Because the Somalis are a simple and frank people. They call things by their names. We did not have any other choice. Since we have chosen socialism, this socialism should be a genuine one. And if this socialism is to be genuine, it must be scientific.



Socialism in essence is the science of interpreting and changing society. There is no other definition. If genuine socialism is Marxism, why then are we afraid of it or beat around the bush? Why not go to it directly? The schools and the great socialist experiments, which proved correct, are Marxist. Why not learn from them and copy them?



We are a society unique in our backwardness. The United Nations classifies us on top of the list of the 25 most underdeveloped states in the world. Seventy percent of our people are still living in a state of pre-feudal nomadism. They cannot remain as they are for another decade. We must transform our people from nomadism and famine to life and dignity.



Therefore, we have no other alternative but to seize control of all our natural resources and to mobilize all our resources and capabilities. We must also plan all our production needs and calculate all our steps. This is what we mean by Scientific Socialism. Our choice of Scientific Socialism was not casual or accidental. We had important parties, bodies and personalities calling for socialism. However, they were calling for all kinds of socialism--Somali, Islamic, African or Arab brands of socialism.



There was only one brand of socialism which they averted and were very hostile to, namely Scientific Socialism. All of them achieved nothing. On the contrary, socialism for them was a mere facade to cover up tribal, party or personal interests or ambitions. It had nothing to do with the people's needs.



We looked around at states and regimes in the African continent declaring socialism and calling for it. However, in application it was nothing more than slogans concealing the capitalist and exploitative nature of the ruling cliques in these states.



Through our choice of Scientific Marxist Socialism, we wanted to affirm the seriousness, and decisiveness of the choice, to rehabilitate socialism and to restore the masses ‘confidence masses’ enthusiasm and support for the choice have increased. We did not want to deceive ourselves and the people by hollow slogans which mean nothing. We declared our choice of a Scientific, revolutionary course capable of coping with our reality and problems.



Perhaps we do not have classes in the Marxist sense of the word. However, the majority is persecuted and exploited. This majority constitutes shepherds, peasants, fishermen, small employees and soldiers. On the other extreme, we have the minority which constitutes the exploiters and parasites. They follow the same line and are affiliated with foreigners.



Question: But our spiritual, cultural and national heritage is an Islamic heritage. Does that not conflict with the choice of Marxism?



Answer: The Somalis are Muslim Arabs. They fully understand the meaning of Arabism as a nationality, and Islam as a religion which came to establish justice and equality among the people. Our history is a history of struggle for the sake of our personality, nationalism and religion. The Somali people are a Muslim people fully believing in Islam. On several occasions, the entire Somali people rose to defend Islam and to repulse all the threats and invasions directed against the religion and the homeland.



Socialism, of course, is not a divine mission like Islam. It is purely a system to regulate relations between people, and to use the means of Production for the good of everyone. Therefore, there can be no contradiction between our effort to regulate our resources and national production on the one hand and Islam on the other.



God created man and gave him the blessing of the mind to distinguish between good and evil, virtue and vice. We have chosen Scientific Socialism because it is the best means to liberate the Somali Muslim, and to provide him with the ingredients of a dignified, honorable life so that he can eat, work, become educated, know the regulations of his religion and perform his religious rites. Nevertheless, a group of reactionaries attempted. to create a gap between Socialism and Islam, because Socialism is not in harmony with their ambitions and interests. Therefore, they wanted to ban it and disguise their greed and exploitation in a robe of holiness. They went out of their way to twist God 's words and to distort the essence of religion.

i always wondered if this guy had Isaaq friends in his lifetime loool

 

[AhmedSmelly]

All facts, in fact when the Soviets told him to Leave Ogaden alone the MJs agreed they should but he did it anyway and lost. When the MJs rebelled after the loss he poisoned their wells and killed their livestock

Do you think he went on a war, because he was losing power. He distracted the people with war so he could still be in power. He weighted in Ethiopias war with Eritrea. Ethiopias drought problem, causing many to starve. Ethiopia never being colonized, meaning it had no british or french support. He thought it was an easy win, compared to Kenya or Djibuti. A country ravaged with droughts and wars. Where millions have died already, will have been an easy war with soviets backing.
But Allah had other plans for him.

 

[Zakeriya]

Do you think he went on a war, because he was losing power. He distracted the people with war so he could still be in power. He weighted in Ethiopias war with Eritrea. Ethiopias drought problem, causing many to starve. Ethiopia never being colonized, meaning it had no british or french support. He thought it was an easy win, compared to Kenya or Djibuti. A country ravaged with droughts and wars. Where millions have died already, will have been an easy war with soviets backing.
But Allah had other plans for him.

Ethiopia initially had American backing

 

[J-Rasta]

@Zakeriya @AhmedSmelly

Are you implying that Somalia was off with Siad Barre and his so called Scientific Socialism, over all what was his significant achievements during his 21 year reign, wasn't the Ogaden war a terrible and a fatal mistake, were his actions the bombings of Hargeisa and Buroa justifiable, was the killings of the sheikhs necessary wasn't there an alternative to deter their Islamist threats without shedding blood, was it a logical implication to mention that we are Muslim Arabs, why was he so afraid to stand up against Saudi Arabia and the wahhabist ideology encroached in Northern Somalia by Al Itixaad or he was just another african pawn of the Arab countries.

I don't know wether you are supporting him due to his clan or the fact you are in favour but prove me wrong there are loyalists still calling him aabo despite not hailing from MX or you could one of those ciyaal kacaan AKA SYL

 

[AhmedSmelly]

Ethiopia initially had American backing

How much of a backing was it tho, sending 10000 soldiers or foreign aid. Ethiopia was playing both sides, the american side and the soviets. Siad was an intelligent snake, but his flaw was his somali outlook. Brute force isnt always the answer. But he had no option, giving up the presidential seat was a death sentence. Too many people wanted him dead. He destroyed Somalia and went to Nigeria, knowing they could never come after him. Without a proper state, there cannot be an extradition. He was a devious c*nt.

 

[Frostybigmo1]

Ethiopia initially had American backing

did he have any Isaaq friends in his lifetime?