Should child marriage be banned in Somalia?
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Now that I think about he/she has never claimed to be a man before it might be true 
FYI
Farmaajo bots have a habit of claiming male or female depending on the weather. There was another Farmaajo supporting man on here who used to have a female username.
Farmaajo bots have a habit of claiming male or female depending on the weather. There was another Farmaajo supporting man on here who used to have a female username.
Don't assume his/her/their gender walaal, he could be our first trans wahabi. We have to be open minded these daysNo way hes a woman, its impossible he is even more hardcore than me
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As I said she old is enough to choose. If its forced the marriage is null and void
Lots of assumptions. She is old enough to accept or decline the marriage. If the marriage is forced then its null and void. What you are saying is all assumption and not prove.
There’s so much proof of Somali women recollecting stories of being forced into marriage at young ages.
No one cares about null and void in the baadiyo.
This isn’t London or New York waryah.
You have zero idea of what you are talking about. You want to push western mindset and policies in Somalia not even knowing the negative effect that might come out of it. This girl is 14 years old. All I see is bunch of assumption and no prove. If she was forced in anyway by intimidation or emotional black mailing the marriage is null and void. Again note this girl is 14 and old enough to make a decision. So stop the bullshitery. What you westernized people dont understand is bethrotal and consumation. Bethrotal is marriage and consumation is intercourse. A girl cannot be consumated until she has reached puberty, fully developed her reproductive organs. Secondly a father can marry of his daughter if she hasnt reached maturity, but consumation only happens when she is mature and it when she can ask for divorce. She can also go to Islamic courts and they can make a decision. 40% of girls have lost their v-card in 9th grade. They are mature, they have desires and to block marriage by making it obligatory for girls to attend school and not get married till they 16-17 will only pave the way for fornication. This isn't the only side effect. You liberals want girls to favor their careers over being married, being a mother and take care of the house. This will crash our fertility rate making it drop below 2.1 (replacement rate). This will be devastating for a developing country. Look at djibouti with a fertility rate of 2.5. You bunch of liberals are a danger to Somalia. Limit that mindset to the west.
The solution is Islamic education and building Islamic institutions like Islamic courts. Other solutions is lifting families in baadiyo out of poverty so they do not have to make drastic decisions. None of you are thinking bunch of emotional rants and assumptions.
You’re being naïve.
Yes, a better knowledge of the deen will solve these problems.
But we already have Sharia in the country and thousands of Islamic schools. The number of Islamic schools isnt the problem.
It is the religious figures that condone forced marriages and don’t ask the women if they really approve.
It is the cult following these figures have in that any criticism of them is seen as criticism of the religion.
It’s an endemic culture in our society that goes beyond religious education but rather how our society and culture operates.
Garaad diinle
For starters this thread was about the age of marriage and not about limiting tashric. Not only were there no necessary reason to bring it up but also as common folks were not even obliged do discuss such topics. We ran the risk of spreading misinformation about the diin which has hefty fines or penalty in the akhira.I’m not a scholar and I merely shared the views of Qadhi who has access to immense fiqh knowledge and history of Islam. Whether you agree with him or not. He is far superior to us when it comes to his knowledge of how Fiqh works and has access to works we could only dream to understand/read. Most people tend to have a grade 1 understanding of fiqh and that is the both of us. Also, he isn’t the only one that has that view. There is literally a whole aspect of fiqh called al-Siyasah al-Shar’iyyah, that goes back to the early days of Islam.
Like I said, I’m merely a layperson, If I’m wrong may Allah forgive me, but this isn’t a new concept at all. The reason why many of you lot are reacting this way, is because this isn’t well known. A lot of people including myself have 0 understanding of figh.
يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ لِمَ تُحَرِّمُ مَا أَحَلَّ اللَّهُ لَكَ ۖ تَبْتَغِي مَرْضَاتَ أَزْوَاجِكَ ۚ وَاللَّهُ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ
this is clearly a well known view amongst Scholars:
Governments are allowed to establish a law that sees to the welfare of its citizens. Citizens who fail to uphold this law, may not be held accountable in the court of Allah, but may be punished accordingly by the government. These concepts are well established under the branch of our Sacred Law known as al-Siyasah al-Shar’iyyah.
Marriage With a Minor. - IslamQA
Answered by Shaykh Abdurragmaan Khan Question: Assalam alaykum, An individual shared the following opinions with me (see below). I had been taught that the minimum conditions for intercourse were (i)islamqa.org
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Now that's out of the way let's get to business. What you just did is appeal to authority. What you wrote about yasir qhadi appears to me an excessive praise and not a valid argument. Further more i don't consider yasir qhadi to be a credible 'alim regardless of the amount of knowledge he possesses. The man is controversial to say the least and have some shath qowl and therefore i often times takes whatever he says with a grain of salt.
The topic is much more complicated and needs a very long discussion you can't just bring one or two cases and build a ruling on them. The sahaba رضي الله عنهم were blessed people followers of the rasul ﷺ that being said they were infallible human beings that did ijdihad. Not all their ijtihad was right.
When Omar al-khatab رضي الله عنه said that mahar should not be high using arguments from the sunnah and maqasid al-shri'a a women objected and said يا عمر يعطينا الله وتحرمن meaning oh Omar رضي الله عنه allah gives us or allow us and you do tahrim or you forbid us. Omar al-khatab رضي الله عنه him self said أصابت امرأة وأخطأ عمر meaning a women was right and Omar رضي الله عنه was mistaken. If there is no ijmac between ahl a-sunnah wa al-jama'a on this issues it's better left alone especially for us here. By the way this story in terms of riwaya has a number of questions but since it's not a hadith the criteria doesn't need to be high.
Finally i've notest you brought up a link about marriage age. This website is full of people with fragile believes that are muslim in name only that cannot even accept the age of umm al-mu'minin رضي الله عنها when she married. For these people any legitimate ruling wither it's from sunnah fiqih or even ijtiahd has no meaning if it doesn't support their own Opinions. Therefore i choose to be silent on this and avoid putting other into fitna or jeopardize the diin to please them. One does not have to state an opining on every topic silence is gold.
Marriage With a Minor. - IslamQA
Answered by Shaykh Abdurragmaan Khan Question: Assalam alaykum, An individual shared the following opinions with me (see below). I had been taught that the minimum conditions for intercourse were (i)
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Wanting people to get educated isn’t Western whatsoever. Only a fool talks like that who doesn’t understand how low education and poverty is interlinked.
Nope, according to some scholars especially amongst the Shafis, a forced marriage is a valid one and that is the views of many Somalis back home. You have 0 understanding, yet you want to accuse me.
Keep your flipping lecture. Im fully aware of the Sharia concerning this. However, pregnancy during menarche can cause various issues and multiple studies show this.
I fully know this already, hence why are you telling me something already
ThAt is a lie. Grade 9 is 13-14. Statistically girls aren’t having sex that young, even amongst gals and living in a Muslim country in which women get married in their early 20s with lower fornication rates debunks your argument.
No, it will not. We know this because various Muslim countries have cultures in which women get married after 16. That is the norm and always have been. Having parental guidance and strong anti-freemixing Norms prevent this.
Somalia, due to poverty has higher child marriage rates but we also have the fitnah of Qurbo Siro and other issues which you don’t get in the Gulf and other Muslim countries
Ah, redpill talking points detected. So you want women to stay uneducated so that they’ll get married out of poverty and not desire. That is what happens when you refuse to educate the masses and poverty is rampant. Due to your ignorance you want to ignore the reality on the ground.
Yes, redpill talking point. Hence your point is if a girl doesn’t get married at 14, that means she won’t marry at like 20, 21? Which is actually better for body and in which she has a better understanding of her duties?
For all of your screams of liberalism, your proposal is very much at odds with what benefits women or a country. Educated mothers have cleverer kids and better life statistics. The idea of trapping a woman in a life of ignorance and poverty so that weirdos like you can marry is a sickness.
May Allah protect Somali women from the likes of you. You’re a danger.
Your reply reeks of ignorance. Somalia doesnt have sharia. We have a constitution. Secondly there thousands of bunch of clerics with thousands of different views on this. Somalia may be a sunni country but we split into bunch of sects. Also this isnt even child marriage. A 14 year old girl isnt a child. Chilhood ends with a girl when she hits puberty. Then she is legally a woman in Islam. She can accept or decline and forced marriage is haram. If it happens then it is a sin. You cannot stop people from sinning. What we need is Salafiyyah. Salafism condemns forced marriage. I am not being naive. I am well aware of this issue
"ThAt is a lie. Grade 9 is 13-14. Statistically girls aren’t having sex that young, even amongst gals and living in a Muslim country in which women get married in their early 20s with lower fornication rates debunks your argument."
I couldn't find where I read it. It was something about 40%-60% but I found this. My point still stance. Girls and boys are sexually active as soon as they hit puberty. Maybe not full-fledged intercourse
"Partnered sexual behaviors become prominent during mid- and late adolescence. These behaviors include sexual kissing, breast and genital touching, partnered masturbation, fellatio, cunnilingus, penile-vaginal intercourse, and penile-anal intercourse. Other partnered behaviors such as sexual exchange via electronic media (e.g., phone sex, “sexting”), and shared viewing of sexually explicit media also emerge during this time."
Puberty and Adolescent Sexuality - PMC
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Let make it short. I dont have to really make you understand anything. Allah has allowed child marriage, Allah is the most wise as he created us. It shouldn't be outlawed. Only thing that needs to be done is to make sure that both the girl and the males Islamic right is preserved. You cannot make illegal what Allah has allowed
It isn’t as easy as introducing something like salafism.
You need to change the mindsets of people. You need education about the religion and rooting out the religious officials that support forced marriages.
But this takes time.
And the sad thing is that while you introduce these changes, forced marriages will occur.
So what do you do in the meantime?
You can't really much do anything unless you become a surveillance state that also monitors people private enviroment.
So that’s why banning until you can solve the issue is better option.
I would much rather get the dembi for advocating for a ban than see another sister be forcibly married.
Are you against slavery being made illegal in all Muslim countries? Do you want to bring back slavery?
