Shocked to learn that there is lack of asalnimo in somali culture

[Som]

My guy is making stats up as he goes

30-40% of Somali vocab (in SL & Jabuuti dialects the figure will probably be higher) is of Arabic origin


Sabaayad is Indian Chapati although we learned that word and the food from Adeni Yemenis who call it Sabaaya.Many words especially in SL Somali is from Aden like the word Daaqad (window) is from Adeni Arabic Daaqa

There's another word Kimis which is used for Sabayaad. I looked up the Yemeni Sabayaad and this comes out. Looks like a totally different food https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bint_al-sahn
If you want to be Arab that's your issue, I'm Darood and I don't believe the fake Shaykh Al jeberti and Shaykh Isaaq stories. Arab influence in somali culture is obvious but not any more than Arab influence in Persian, Pakistani of Bangladeshi culture.

 

[Som]

@Som If only you knew Arabic and spoke with Yemenis or watch their content, your ethno-nationalist mind will explode with anger with the amount of words and cultural stuff we took from them

I'm open to learning, i never denied Arab influence but I don't exaggerate it to look down on somalis.
Anyway I have a genuine question ,How come you landers got so many Arab words whiteout having a sizable Arab population? Except from traders SL ports never had many Arabs while the south had big Arab communities in Mogadishu, Merca and Barawe and they even mixed with locals and gave birth to benadiri cad cads, if anything the south should be more arabized than the north.

 

[Dima&Damo]

There's another word Kimis which is used for Sabayaad. I looked up the Yemeni Sabayaad and this comes out. Looks like a totally different food https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bint_al-sahn
If you want to be Arab that's your issue, I'm Darood and I don't believe the fake Shaykh Al jeberti and Shaykh Isaaq stories. Arab influence in somali culture is obvious but not any more than Arab influence in Persian, Pakistani of Bangladeshi culture.

Dirac Arabic???? I Have Never Seen Them Wear It Such Weirdos The People Who Propp Up These Yemeni Teory' Probably Never Had Contact With Them In PL We Know What They Are

 

[Al-Ma'mun]

I'm open to learning, i never denied Arab influence but I don't exaggerate it to look down on somalis.
Anyway I have a genuine question ,How come you landers got so many Arab words whiteout having a sizable Arab population? Except from traders SL ports never had many Arabs while the south had big Arab communities in Mogadishu, Merca and Barawe and they even mixed with locals and gave birth to benadiri cad cads, if anything the south should be more arabized than the north.

We did have Arabs, they are just called Isaaqs,Darods & Gabooye now and have become Somalized

On a serious note there was evidence of Arabs in the North in large numbers.In the Futuh mentions an entire Mahra contingent with a male fighting force as large as Habar Magaadle (Garxajis,Habar Awal,Arap & Ayuub) and larger than many single subclans like Marexaan,Harti & Geri.SL,PL & Ethiopian Somalis also have more J-P58+ Somalis than the South as well.

Also the history of multi-ethnic empires/kingdoms (Adal,Ifat etc) in the North, Arab settlements in Muslim Highlands of Eastern & Central Ethiopia and the short distance between Arabia and the Jabuuti/SL coast (Western Yemen/Aden) and PL with Hadhramawt/Mahra.

The South seems to have had more cosmopolitan and less directly Arabian influence than the North.Which is why the cadcads for example are mostly of South Asian extraction not Arabian and Swahili is spoken in Barawe (Chimwiini)

 

[pirater]

There's another word Kimis which is used for Sabayaad. I looked up the Yemeni Sabayaad and this comes out. Looks like a totally different food https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bint_al-sahn

i think they call it khubz muluwah

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khubz_mulawah

 

[Al-Ma'mun]

i think they call it khubz muluwah

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khubz_mulawah

Malawax is also another food we stole from them.Laa ilaaha ilal laah

 

[pirater]

Malawax is also another food we stole from them.Laa ilaaha ilal laah

malawax is different. malawax is close to a crepe while mulawah is sabaayad or kimis. i saw on tiktok that hararis and some oromos also call that dish mulawah

 

[Som]

We did have Arabs, they are just called Isaaqs,Darods & Gabooye now and have become Somalized

On a serious note there was evidence of Arabs in the North in large numbers.In the Futuh mentions an entire Mahra contingent with a male fighting force as large as Habar Magaadle (Garxajis,Habar Awal,Arap & Ayuub) and larger than many single subclans like Marexaan,Harti & Geri.SL,PL & Ethiopian Somalis also have more J-P58+ Somalis than the South as well.

Also the history of multi-ethnic empires/kingdoms (Adal,Ifat etc) in the North, Arab settlements in Muslim Highlands of Eastern & Central Ethiopia and the short distance between Arabia and the Jabuuti/SL coast (Western Yemen/Aden) and PL with Hadhramawt/Mahra.

The South seems to have had more cosmopolitan and less directly Arabian influence than the North.Which is why the cadcads for example are mostly of South Asian extraction not Arabian and Swahili is spoken in Barawe (Chimwiini)

Genetically the Arab influence is negligible. Most somalis show little to no Arab admixture, it's false to say Darood, Isaaqs etc are assimilated Arabs cause genetics says otherwise. So if the Arabs were present in great numbers and didn't mix with locals (we know this because of genetics) where di they go? Only meheri people have a presence in the north, the rest of waqooyiga has very little Arab genetics, i think this is a settled matter
As I said before even wolayta omitics have more Arabian DNA than somalis, how is this possible when you claim northern somalis mixed with this allegedly large Arab population that got absorbed? If this was true we would be the most Arab in the horn

 

[Som]

Malawax is also another food we stole from them.Laa ilaaha ilal laah

Our malawax is completely different , not the same food

 

[Aurelian]

There is no culture that that isn’t influenced by others in this world unless they are in middle of a jungle or an island.

 

[Shimbiris]

The only food Somali people ate before foreign contact was meat and camel milk.

The irony in this statement is that camels came to Somalis through foreign contact. Our word for camel is from Old South Arabian:



They came to us from Arabia where they were domesticated. The original Cushitic livestock package was cattle, goats, sheep, donkeys and shepherd dogs. And Cushites were always grain-collectors even before they began to develop local forms of agriculture like the Durra & Teff complexes which would mean some amount of bread production was around since the Neolithic in Sudan (over 5,000 years ago). We are descended from some of the earliest Neolithic people in the Middle-East, walaal. Though from studying stable isotopic data on some early Cushites from places like Kenya it seems apparent they ate mainly meat and dairy products despite this based on their trophic level:

The δN values of the pastoral populations are significantly higher than those of the East African Carnivores (Fig.1). This unexpected results suggests that the former populations consumed resources having δN values higher than those eaten by the carnivores. Milk and blood appear to be enriched in δN relative to the flesh of animals, which could account for this observation.

Reconstruction of African human diet using bone collagen carbon and nitrogen isotope ratios - Nature

Behavioural modifications associated with the exploitation of new food resources have been linked to major steps in hominid evolution and in subsequent human cultural development1,2. Testing of specific hypotheses concerning the influence of dietary change on these processes would be facilitated...

www.nature.com

Early Cushites did also practice some amount of hunting game though as time went on it seems hunters got solidified into their own ostracized caste like the Madhiban. The coastal fishermen and seafarers also did consume a lot of seafood and those types were around for at least the last 1,000-2,000 years while Somali nomads have been documented to have seasonally consumed wild and cultivated fruits (like dates) and raw, wild honey:

somali nomads, fruit, wild honey - Google Search

Ajanabis mainly introduced things like rice, pasta, plant oils, poultry and modern processed foods. Meat, dairy, fruits, honey, a little bread & other agricultural products like sesame seeds along with some amount of fish along the coast despite the Cushitic fish taboo are all pretty native. Though a case can be made for Somali fishing and seafaring culture being due to foreign influence from Indians and Arabs but fish taboo or not, it's not like Cushites did not eat fish at some point in the last several thousand years and like we're not descended from various HG cultures who consumed all sorts of wild game, fish and a few things like tubers and fruits when they could be found.

 

[Sophisticate]

Genetically the Arab influence is negligible. Most somalis show little to no Arab admixture, it's false to say Darood, Isaaqs etc are assimilated Arabs cause genetics says otherwise. So if the Arabs were present in great numbers and didn't mix with locals (we know this because of genetics) where di they go? Only meheri people have a presence in the north, the rest of waqooyiga has very little Arab genetics, i think this is a settled matter
As I said before even wolayta omitics have more Arabian DNA than somalis, how is this possible when you claim northern somalis mixed with this allegedly large Arab population that got absorbed? If this was true we would be the most Arab in the horn

Some cannot accept EV-32 is not Arab. And that full Somalis have very small ancient South Semetic admixture relative to Ethiopian dwelling Cushites. Even Oromos have them beat. I think one must accept the truth rather than ride the coattails of Quraysh and play a game of lineage make believe. Despite evidence to the contrary.

 

[Som]

Some cannot accept EV-32 is not Arab. And that full Somalis have very small ancient South Semetic admixture relative to Ethiopian dwelling Cushites. Even Oromos have them beat. I think one must accept the truth rather than ride the coattails of Quraysh and play a game of lineage make believe. Despite evidence to the contrary.

Even omotic wolaytas have more Arabian ancestry than us.

 

[Sophisticate]

Even omotic wolaytas have more Arabian ancestry than us.

I'm aware but it's hard to reason with the dogmatic and emotional. No matter how much evidence you show them. They are still committed to a sterile old man from Arabia being their papi over a geeljire. It's kind of embarrassing. Sadly Maury didn't exist back then.Somalis are chiefly tribal so I don't take Ls of others when my people never claimed such nonsense.

 

[Pre-frhnn]

There's another word Kimis which is used for Sabayaad. I looked up the Yemeni Sabayaad and this comes out. Looks like a totally different food https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bint_al-sahn
If you want to be Arab that's your issue, I'm Darood and I don't believe the fake Shaykh Al jeberti and Shaykh Isaaq stories. Arab influence in somali culture is obvious but not any more than Arab influence in Persian, Pakistani of Bangladeshi culture.

That’s because it is. Whoever said it’s Yemeni is capping. Even the Yemeni halwa is different

 

[Som]

That’s because it is. Whoever said it’s Yemeni is capping. Even the Yemeni halwa is different

Exactly. I can accept xalwa is an Arab food but Somali xalwa is nothing like what Arabs eat.
And tbh why does everything has to be from Yemen? Somalis influenced Yemen too, Aden in southern Yemen was almost half Somali during the 1800s maybe we brought our culture there rather than the other way around.

 

[Shimbiris]

This is a nonsense argument, wallahi. Every culture on Earth is heavily influenced by the neighboring larger civilization. The much vaunted Romans and their Etruscan predecessors pretty much photocopied Classical Greek culture. This was Italy before the Greeks influenced it:

This was them after the Greeks began to influence them and heavily colonized the south:

This was the Japanese before civilized Chinese influences really set-in:

After the civilized Chinese influences set-in:

So Somalis are heavily influenced by Arab and Islamic civilization and culture? So what, man? What's there to be ashamed of in that? Yes, our religion comes from Arabia. Yes, camels and horses come from Arabia. A lot of our architecture and probably even our coastal seafaring culture which I will still make more posts on soon come from Arabia and/or India. So what?

These were larger and more prosperous civilizations than us or at least more adjacent to larger and more prosperous civilizations like that of the Fertile Crescent so they inevitably influenced us. And they're genetically, linguistically and historically our somewhat distant cousins. There's no shame in it. It's happened all over the world a hundred times. Truth is, only a handful of places like Eastern China, the Fertile Crescent, Mesoamerica, the Indus Valley and to some extent the Western Sahel and Greater Khorasan folks have any real claim to a truly mostly indigenously developed civilization. Everyone else pretty much got things like agriculture, writing, monumental architecture and whatever else through someone else.

 

[hinters]

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I wish we could solve this script like they solved Cuneiform that way if we were to use a script that wasn't Latin it wouldn't be one made a hundred years ago but thousands of years ago and more original.

 

[nambarA]

The irony in this statement is that camels came to Somalis through foreign contact. Our word for camel is from Old South Arabian:



They came to us from Arabia where they were domesticated. The original Cushitic livestock package was cattle, goats, sheep, donkeys and shepherd dogs. And Cushites were always grain-collectors even before they began to develop local forms of agriculture like the Durra & Teff complexes which would mean some amount of bread production was around since the Neolithic in Sudan (over 5,000 years ago). We are descended from some of the earliest Neolithic people in the Middle-East, walaal. Though from studying stable isotopic data on some early Cushites from places like Kenya it seems apparent they ate mainly meat and dairy products despite this based on their trophic level:

Reconstruction of African human diet using bone collagen carbon and nitrogen isotope ratios - Nature

Behavioural modifications associated with the exploitation of new food resources have been linked to major steps in hominid evolution and in subsequent human cultural development1,2. Testing of specific hypotheses concerning the influence of dietary change on these processes would be facilitated...

www.nature.com

Early Cushites did also practice some amount of hunting game though as time went on it seems hunters got solidified into their own ostracized caste like the Madhiban. The coastal fishermen and seafarers also did consume a lot of seafood and those types were around for at least the last 1,000-2,000 years while Somali nomads have been documented to have seasonally consumed wild and cultivated fruits (like dates) and raw, wild honey:

somali nomads, fruit, wild honey - Google Search

Ajanabis mainly introduced things like rice, pasta, plant oils, poultry and modern processed foods. Meat, dairy, fruits, honey, a little bread & other agricultural products like sesame seeds along with some amount of fish along the coast despite the Cushitic fish taboo are all pretty native. Though a case can be made for Somali fishing and seafaring culture being due to foreign influence from Indians and Arabs but fish taboo or not, it's not like Cushites did not eat fish at some point in the last several thousand years and like we're not descended from various HG cultures who consumed all sorts of wild game, fish and a few things like tubers and fruits when they could be found.

It would be interesting if a dictionary of Old South Arabian can be found. A few online translation sites have some Old Arabian words, like the verb drink (عَبّ):

https://www.almaany.com/en/dict/ar-en/drink/

 

[Qeelbax]

sambusa-comes from south asia
macawiis-comes from south asia
dirac-possible yemeni origins
sabbayaad-yemeni origins
-30 percent of somali words come from arabic
-somali koofiyaad comes from oman/yemen
-the belt that somali men wear with their white clothes might come from yemen and oman

I am honestly hoping alindi is somali because I have seen some other people rock it too

and then waxan dhacnay carab dhiig through abtirisView attachment 220985

Wrong!!!!! ANYTIME SOMALIS HAVE SOMETHING THAT ANOTHER CULTURE HAS DOES NOT MEAN ITS AUTOMATICALLY THERES! YA ALLAH YOU LOW SELF ESTEEM BUFFOONS! SURE MACAWIIS AND SAMBUUSA ARE NOT ORIGINALLY OURS BUT
1, SABAYAAD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YEMEN WTF YOU RANDOM WIERDO
2, DIRAC IS 100% SOMALI, IT COMES FROM SOUTHERN SOMALIA! DONTTRY THAT SHIT AGAIN! DO YOU SEE ARABS CONTEMPLATING WHETHER THE SHIT THEY SHARE WITH OTHERS IS THERES? FORGET CONTEMPLATE! YOU GUYS STRAIGHT UP SAY ITS FOREIGN! NACALA IYO FOREIGN KU YAAL!

3, ARE YOU OKAY? WERE SOMALI BUTT NAKED WHEN OUR TRADITONAL CLOTHES “MIGHT COME FROM YEMEN”, HUHHHHHHHH. THE AUDACITY! THE TREACHERY!

4, HOW DARE YOU SAY OUR SHIT IS FROM YEMEN! HOW DARE YOU! STOP EQUATING OUR SHIT WITH THISE MIDGET ARAB THAT GOT CONQUERED BY AMHARO! NACALA IYO “ITS YEMEN” KUU YAL! AAN KU QABTO!

IF I DON’T SLAP THE SHIT OUT YOU LOT!