Shabaab attacks Geriley, Gedo JL after ATMIS pullout

[Superiorabdi]

Somalis using none-Somalis to kill Somali, to “stop” somalis from killing somalis…a tale as old as time.

Nah it was more like Ajuuran and Degodia were killing each other . Then the Kenyan government asked both of them to hand in their weapons however only Ajuuran handed their weapons over. Degodia took the opportunity to massacre Ajuuran therefore kenya stepped in and the rest is history. What other way could this have been dealt with?

 

[aden1812]

So kenyan govt whpuld have left degodia kill and ethnic cleanse Ajuran who number more than 1000s of somalis.
Let’s say Kenyan govt was a mercy from Allah to protect the innocent Ajuraan who were outnumbered and out gunned by Degodia who were willing to ethnic cleanse them for being somali and not being kikuyu or jaluo.

First, I respect the Ajuran amd Hopefully History will not repeat itself.

I’m going to explain: outside of the same “clan warfare” that Somalis have engaged in for decades now, under the rules of war, sovereign nations are not allowed to kill their citizens without due process.

 

[aden1812]

Nah it was more like Ajuuran and Degodia were killing each other . Then the Kenyan government asked both of them to hand in their weapons however only Ajuuran handed their weapons over. Degodia took the opportunity to massacre Ajuuran therefore kenya stepped in and the rest is history. What other way could this have been dealt with?

In America, we never “hand over” our weapons, but that’s cool you justify a none-Muslim military killing Muslims.

Also, it’s cool Somali galbeed exists in multiple nations.

 

[Superiorabdi]

In America, we never “hand over” our weapons, but that’s cool you justify a none-Muslim military killing Muslims.

Also, it’s cool Somali galbeed exists in multiple nations.

I like how you swerved the question in the end so ima ask you again. What other way could this issue been dealt with?

 

[Hilmaam]

Those 5k were put in camp starved and massacred f*ck kenya

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

Those 5k were put in camp starved and massacred f*ck kenya

Wat a about the ajuran that were being ethnic cleansed by degodia who gave them the right?

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

First, I respect the Ajuran amd Hopefully History will not repeat itself.

I’m going to explain: outside of the same “clan warfare” that Somalis have engaged in for decades now, under the rules of war, sovereign nations are not allowed to kill their citizens without due process.

Citizens that do not disarm nor seek peace and arr hell bent on harming other peace abiding citizens are called terrorists.

 

[Hilmaam]

Wat a about the ajuran that were being ethnic cleansed by degodia who gave them the right?

Kenya did massacre to terrorize and send message to all Somali in NFD. Kenya priority was not inter somali fighting they were against anti goverment movements. Many of 5k was just random civilians. I doubt Kenya govt care about ajuran

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

Kenya did massacre to terrorize and send message to all Somali in NFD. Kenya priority was not inter somali fighting they were against anti goverment movements. Many of 5k was just random civilians. I doubt Kenya govt care about ajuran

Wagalla is a different case and should not be used as a way to find empathy.

Degodia wanted to ethnoc cleanse Ajuran and Allah made Kenyan govt turn against Degodia to save Ajuran.

So no tears is gping to be shed.
If wagalla had happened to fight kenyan injustice then I would have empathised.
But degodia were taught a lesson.
8 years later in 1992 degodia gave ogaden ultimatum to vacate wajir and Ogadrn whooped their asses making degodia esxape to Ethiopia and seeking forgiveness from the same ogaden they wanted to Ethnic cleanse from wajir.

Degodia have a pattern of attacking somalis and trying to displace them in wajir and mandera.
Degodia is the only somali clan in kenya that has fought almost every major somali clan in NFD.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

Wagalla incident simplified.

Degodia try to displace Ajuran in Wajir.

Degodia have a competitive advantage as they are in hovt as well as they have the tyranny of numbers and they cross border to Kenya from Ethiopia while Ajuran is a small clan but lived in prime areas which Degodia was eyeing to take over.

When the conflict errupts kenyan govt intervenes and tries to bring truce to the two clans and they both accept disammarment on both sides.Ajuran community abides by the peace treaty abitrated by Kenyan govt and disarm.While degodia disingeniously give old and obsolete weapons and claim they disarmed. Not long then degodia ruthlessly attacks Ajuran bearing in mind they have no weapons to defend themsleves.
The ratio of Ajuran to degodia is almost 1:5
Local ajuran are slaughted like animals mercilessly and even women are not spared.

Then the govt intervenes with full force of the law to protect Ajuran from being wiped out.

Then we try make wagalla incident a somali occupation issue and independence.
Were degodia killing kenyan bantus?
Who was killing ajuran were they kikuyus?

Lets call a spade a spade.
Futhermore in somalia same period afwyene was killing and ethnic cleaning somalis in juboyinka ,Somaliland and many other places with brute force.

 

[aden1812]

Wagalla incident simplified.

Degodia try to displace Ajuran in Wajir.

Degodia have a competitive advantage as they are in hovt as well as they have the tyranny of numbers and they cross border to Kenya from Ethiopia while Ajuran is a small clan but lived in prime areas which Degodia was eyeing to take over.

When the conflict errupts kenyan govt intervenes and tries to bring truce to the two clans and they both accept disammarment on both sides.Ajuran community abides by the peace treaty abitrated by Kenyan govt and disarm.While degodia disingeniously give old and obsolete weapons and claim they disarmed. Not long then degodia ruthlessly attacks Ajuran bearing in mind they have no weapons to defend themsleves.
The ratio of Ajuran to degodia is almost 1:5
Local ajuran are slaughted like animals mercilessly and even women are not spared.

Then the govt intervenes with full force of the law to protect Ajuran from being wiped out.

Then we try make wagalla incident a somali occupation issue and independence.
Were degodia killing kenyan bantus?
Who was killing ajuran were they kikuyus?

Lets call a spade a spade.
Futhermore in somalia same period afwyene was killing and ethnic cleaning somalis in juboyinka ,Somaliland and many other places with brute force.

If Somalis handled their issues in-house and didn’t always use international parties as mediators. We wouldn’t be one of the poorest country in the world. I use to wonder how the NFD was taken over by Kenya, and after hearing this, all it took was a few war crimes and Somalis rolled out the red carpet for them.

As far as the Degodia, they have brought honor to Somalis by working hard within the government. And one day Somalis will focus on the future (not looking good) instead of the past.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

If Somalis handled their issues in-house and didn’t always use international parties as mediators. We wouldn’t be one of the poorest country in the world. I use to wonder how the NFD was taken over by Kenya, and after hearing this, all it took was a few war crimes and Somalis rolled out the red carpet for them.

As far as the Degodia, they have brought honor to Somalis by working hard within the government. And one day Somalis will focus on the future (not looking good) instead of the past.

Somalis havent handled their in house issues that is why somalia is afailed state.
What happened in somalia during and after wagalla masscre shows no lessons learnt

 

[aden1812]

Citizens that do not disarm nor seek peace and arr hell bent on harming other peace abiding citizens are called terrorists.

That’s wear your mistaken, an unarmed citizenry will always be victims of an oppressive government.

Wat a about the ajuran that were being ethnic cleansed by degodia who gave them the right?

No one’s hand is clean in any of this, and anyone who plays victim is delusional. In the end, like most things in life “no one is helping, unless they have alternative motives” and Somalis got played.

My current opinion, is that the NFD before Degodia showed up was held by the Oromo. if the Degodia didn’t push out the Oromo from the NFD in the 1800s, the ajuran would have been absorbed into the Oromo, . The Degodia first helped gain Somalis the NFD and the Kenyan government with the pretext “helping ajuran” took complete control of that region in the 1980s.

ajuran and Degodia should of worked together because they have common bonds, Ethiopia and Kenya used both against each other.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

That’s wear your mistaken, an unarmed citizenry will always be victims of an oppressive government.



No one’s hand is clean in any of this, and anyone who plays victim is delusional. In the end, like most things in life “no one is helping, unless they have alternative motives” and Somalis got played.

My current opinion, is that the NFD before Degodia showed up was held by the Oromo. if the Degodia didn’t push out the Oromo from the NFD in the 1800s, the ajuran would have been absorbed into the Oromo, . The Degodia first helped gain Somalis the NFD and the Kenyan government with the pretext “helping ajuran” took complete control of that region in the 1980s.

ajuran and Degodia should of worked together because they have common bonds, Ethiopia and Kenya used both against each other.

You are not making sense you want us to baby sit and cry a river for the oppressor.
If you dont fear Allah then dont expect mercy when calamity karbashes you.

 

[aden1812]

You are not making sense you want us to baby sit and cry a river for the oppressor.
If you dont fear Allah then dont expect mercy when calamity karbashes you.

what's worse, a one on one fight between Muslims, or Muslims begging kafirs to kill Muslims? No one is innocent, and playing victim is not going to hide the fact after the waggalla massacre , the NFD fell to the kenyan goverment 100%.

Just admit that somalis love being "crabs in a barrel"

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

what's worse, a one on one fight between Muslims, or Muslims begging kafirs to kill Muslims? No one is innocent, and playing victim is not going to hide the fact after the waggalla massacre , the NFD fell to the kenyan goverment 100%.

Just admit that somalis love being "crabs in a barrel"

Dude if you were a big bully do you think I will give you a pass to violate me everytime because you are a muslim?

 

[Abaq]

Those 5k were put in camp starved and massacred f*ck kenya

Yes it was sad what happened to them. But what they did to Ajuuraan was just as bad. They cheered as they killed innocent men women and children, including pregnant ladies, ripping open their wombs, and mutilating the unborn babies. Their actions were vile and the punishment of Allah came upon them. You can’t do something like that to other Muslims and not expect Allah not to punish you, even if he uses Kuffar against you

 

[Abaq]

That’s wear your mistaken, an unarmed citizenry will always be victims of an oppressive government.



No one’s hand is clean in any of this, and anyone who plays victim is delusional. In the end, like most things in life “no one is helping, unless they have alternative motives” and Somalis got played.

My current opinion, is that the NFD before Degodia showed up was held by the Oromo. if the Degodia didn’t push out the Oromo from the NFD in the 1800s, the ajuran would have been absorbed into the Oromo, . The Degodia first helped gain Somalis the NFD and the Kenyan government with the pretext “helping ajuran” took complete control of that region in the 1980s.

ajuran and Degodia should of worked together because they have common bonds, Ethiopia and Kenya used both against each other.

Ah so here was your angle all along. Inan gumeed waa uun inan gumeed

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

Ah so here was your angle all along. Inan gumeed waa uun inan gumeed

This people are dying hard to rewrite history.
Degodia and ajuran were subjects of oromo before ogaden conquest.
These irir supremacists have been trying to potray the wagalla masscre as if it was the stalingrad of irir against Kenyan aggressors.
Little did they know it was actually irir ethnic cleansing irir and kenyan govt stepping up.

Every 10 years or 20 years degodia choose to fight other somalis.
1984 it was degodia
1992 it was Ogaden
2012 it was Garreh in mandera

You dont hear Degodia vs Borana wars.

Yet all Irir want to make it look as if degodia are human right activists.

 

[aden1812]

This people are dying hard to rewrite history.
Degodia and ajuran were subjects of oromo before ogaden conquest.
These irir supremacists have been trying to potray the wagalla masscre as if it was the stalingrad of irir against Kenyan aggressors.
Little did they know it was actually irir ethnic cleansing irir and kenyan govt stepping up.

Every 10 years or 20 years degodia choose to fight other somalis.
1984 it was degodia
1992 it was Ogaden
2012 it was Garreh in mandera

You dont hear Degodia vs Borana wars.

Yet all Irir want to make it look as if degodia are human right activists.

you refer to us as "Irir" as if we aren't somali...just call us Somalis, i mean we are the most deserving of that title.