Secret Recording of Abdullahi Yusuf AUN released and Abdiqaasim

[Rationale]

Wrong, but for arguments sake, let's say that Hawiye were victimised by some conspiracy dreamed up by Darood & Isaaq, why haven't you kicked out AMISON? Why are they still allowed to patrol your streets? And rape your women? Face it, your leaders are complicit with this whole farce, HAG would have at least some footing to stand on, if you waged war on AMISON, and made it absolutely clear, that no foreign forces will be administering "your" capital, but you haven't, at all.

Stop projecting your weard fantasies here. I dont think there exist any Daarood conspiracies to thwart Hawiye influence. Daaroods have been killing eachother in Jubbooyinka for good 30 years. They have no time nor the will to worry about HAG and how do Isaaqs fit in this story?

Most ppl that supported Ethiopia in 2006 did so for personal gain nothing else. It's you who can't accept the fact that your hero is by far the most traitorous individual in Somali history. From setting the precedent of running to Ethiopia to form a jabhad to setting another precedent of inviting foreign troops to Somalia for whatever reason.

As what comes to AMISOM troops raping women, killing ppl and patrolling streets. It is happening to your kin in the Daarood jewel town of Kismaayo.

You Doofaars really always set the bar so low, every single time you just need to bring women, rape etc to every argument. I feel like most of you are not that bright or lack aqlaaq.

 

[bidenkulaha]

Exactly, Somalia is a lawless desolate hell-hole, that is a given. I have never subscribed to the whole "muh shithole is better than yours", but the fact remains is that this country is dead. Who killed it? Which clan takes responsibility for constantly waging war, fitnah, and destruction? I'm sorry, but the mess lays at your feet, man up and look within.



Why don't you take your own advice? Al-Shabab didn't spring up in the Northern regions, neither did CIA backed death squads, or isbhaaro wars, none of this was present in the North, not even the deep South (Juba/NFD), Hawiye failed the nation, and most importantly themselves, this isn't qabilayad sxb, it's reality.

Doqon @Indeed is from SL

 

[bidenkulaha]

Stop projecting your weard fantasies here. I dont think there exist any Daarood conspiracies to thwart Hawiye influence. Daaroods have been killing eachother in Jubbooyinka for good 30 years. They have no time nor the will to worry about HAG and how do Isaaqs fit in this story?

Most ppl that supported Ethiopia in 2006 did so for personal gain nothing else. It's you who can't accept the fact that your hero is by far the most traitorous individual in Somali history. From setting the precedent of running to Ethiopia to form a jabhad to setting another precedent of inviting foreign troops to Somalia for whatever reason.

As what comes to AMISOM troops raping women, killing ppl and patrolling streets. It is happening to your kin in the Daarood jewel town of Kismaayo.

You Doofaars really always set the bar so low, every single time you just need to bring women, rape etc to every argument. I feel like most of you are not that bright or lack aqlaaq.

You’re absolutely right but it’s rare to see Hawiyes being honest on the disaster of AY here. These munaafiqs claim that he built a government? what government did that exiled idiot build. The moment things got too hot for Ethiopia they ran away and he resigned in disgrace. So that TFG didn’t collapse they capitulated to the ICU and absorbed them.

Wallahi we suffer these fools too much on here given they literally have the worst colonial collaborator history in Somalia.

qashinkaan should be kept in their xero in their dry desert region, we should never accept their rule in Somalia ever again.

 

[Chase]

Stop projecting your weard fantasies here. I dont think there exist any Daarood conspiracies to thwart Hawiye influence. Daaroods have been killing eachother in Jubbooyinka for good 30 years. They have no time nor the will to worry about HAG and how do Isaaqs fit in this story?

Most ppl that supported Ethiopia in 2006 did so for personal gain nothing else. It's you who can't accept the fact that your hero is by far the most traitorous individual in Somali history. From setting the precedent of running to Ethiopia to form a jabhad to setting another precedent of inviting foreign troops to Somalia for whatever reason.

As what comes to AMISOM troops raping women, killing ppl and patrolling streets. It is happening to your kin in the Daarood jewel town of Kismaayo.

You Doofaars really always set the bar so low, every single time you just need to bring women, rape etc to every argument. I feel like most of you are not that bright or lack aqlaaq.

I've said my piece, HAG destroyed Somalia and our reputation, Somalis were feared and respected, we punched well above our weight when it came to Realpolitik, we used to have Tegaru, Oromo, Harari, Afar etc. eating out of our hands. Isaaq/Darood are not responsible for the failed state global PR disaster you forever wrought on our race, maybe when you're on your deathbed you'll have the integrity to admit it, until then, adios.

 

[Kan'an]

You’re absolutely right but it’s rare to see Hawiyes being honest on the disaster of AY here. These munaafiqs claim that he built a government? what government did that exiled idiot build. The moment things got too hot for Ethiopia they ran away and he resigned in disgrace. So that TFG didn’t collapse they capitulated to the ICU and absorbed them.

Wallahi we suffer these fools too much on here given they literally have the worst colonial collaborator history in Somalia.

qashinkaan should be kept in their xero in their dry desert region, we should never accept their rule in Somalia ever again.

That is the thing I keep reading here, what government did AY set? ICU government was x10 times more effective and organized in curbing violence and providing services than Meles Zenawi shadow government called TFG. What is the legacy of TFG? The current corrupt 4.5 aid dependency of a joke called SFG who could barely venture out of the capital.


To everyone that says AS is the military arm of ICU well that is true but they were a minority within the org. Nothing justified bringing down the ICU, the only grass root home-grown government who brought law and order and defeated warlords WITHOUT a single penny from abroad.


SFG could never measure up to ICU in terms of scale, organization and popular support. ICU ran the whole south in less than 2 years. SFG could barely control Mogadshu after 15 years.

 

[Kan'an]

People make it out like before 2006 Mogadishu was a Zoo. That is a complete lie, the most peaceful period south Somalia had since 1991 has been between 2004 and 2006 when ICU completely karbashed the warlords' alliance restoring peace and providing basic services. This is a centralized, majority moderate Islamic government that established law and order in south Somalia. They literally walked to Kismayo and all warlords either fled or submitted. That is how powerful and feared ICU was.


It was only a matter of time before they wrest control of the whole country, being destroyed by advanced Ethiopian army is the greatest catastrophe to ever happen to Somalia as it was replaced by Al Shabaab and the current toothless SFG. ICU was more competent and popular than both.

 

[Chase]

People make it out like before 2006 Mogadishu was a Zoo. That is a complete lie, the most peaceful period south Somalia had since 1991 has been between 2004 and 2006 when ICU completely karbashed the warlords' alliance restoring peace and providing basic services. This is a centralized, majority moderate Islamic government that established law and order in south Somalia. They literally walked to Kismayo and all warlords either fled or submitted. That is how powerful and feared ICU was.


It was only a matter of time before they wrest control of the whole country, being destroyed by advanced Ethiopian army is the greatest catastrophe to ever happen to Somalia as it was replaced by Al Shabaab and the current toothless SFG. ICU was more competent and popular than both.

Hahah nice try, ICU = USC 2.0

Look at these people, "b-but ICU established peace!", bruh that's the bare minimum of a requirement, it's like congratulating yourself for brushing your teeth or paying rent.

You will never hear a Somalilander/Puntite brag about restoring order in their regions, says a lot honestly.

 

[World]

People make it out like before 2006 Mogadishu was a Zoo. That is a complete lie, the most peaceful period south Somalia had since 1991 has been between 2004 and 2006 when ICU completely karbashed the warlords' alliance restoring peace and providing basic services. This is a centralized, majority moderate Islamic government that established law and order in south Somalia. They literally walked to Kismayo and all warlords either fled or submitted. That is how powerful and feared ICU was.


It was only a matter of time before they wrest control of the whole country, being destroyed by advanced Ethiopian army is the greatest catastrophe to ever happen to Somalia as it was replaced by Al Shabaab and the current toothless SFG. ICU was more competent and popular than both.

“Most Abgal believed that the ICU had been hijacked by Salafi jihadist warlords led by two Ayr/Habr Gidir sheikhs Hassan Dahir 'Aweys' and Ayro together with some ex-Afghanistan mujahideen and opportunistic clan warlords such as Sheikh Yusuf Mohamed Siad 'Indha Adde' (Ayr)”

Peacekeepers under fire

Ethiopia is withdrawing its troops but the transitional government is yet to start serious reconciliation efforts

www.africa-confidential.com

This is why @bidenkulaha supports them and labels Aweys an innocent man, even though he is the originator of all jihadism in Somalia.

 

[Kan'an]

Hahah nice try, ICU = USC 2.0

Look at these people, "b-but ICU established peace!", bruh that's the bare minimum of a requirement, it's like congratulating yourself for brushing your teeth or paying rent.

You will never hear a Somalilander/Puntite brag about restoring order in their regions, says a lot honestly.

Off course this is the bare minimum TFG even current SFG failed to accompplish. Let me remind you again who brought Al Shabaab on top.

Ethiopia invaded Somalia in December 2006 and ousted the ICU from Mogadishu with little resistance. The intervention, which came at the request of Somalia's transitional government, had a radicalizing effect on al-Shabab, analysts say. After much of the ICU fled to neighboring countries, al-Shabab remained and retreated to the south, from where it began organizing asymmetric assaults, including bombings and assassinations, on conventional Ethiopian forces. Some experts say it was during these years that the group morphed into a full-fledged guerilla movement and gained control over large pieces of territory in central and southern Somalia.

The Ethiopian occupation was responsible for“transforming the group from a small, relatively unimportant part of a more moderate Islamic movement into the most powerful and radical armed faction in the country,” wrote Rob Wise, a counterterrorism expert.


Fucking disgrace of a president set us back for decades.

 

[Dima&Damo]

Xamar has always been a zoo what y'all arguing for 70s 80s sex parties and other shit 90s 00s wars and other shit reer magaal really thought they were rome

Anyways hail reer tuulo true maaryoole's

 

[bidenkulaha]

“Most Abgal believed that the ICU had been hijacked by Salafi jihadist warlords led by two Ayr/Habr Gidir sheikhs Hassan Dahir 'Aweys' and Ayro together with some ex-Afghanistan mujahideen and opportunistic clan warlords such as Sheikh Yusuf Mohamed Siad 'Indha Adde' (Ayr)”

Peacekeepers under fire

Ethiopia is withdrawing its troops but the transitional government is yet to start serious reconciliation efforts

www.africa-confidential.com

This is why @bidenkulaha supports them and labels Aweys an innocent man, even though he is the originator of all jihadism in Somalia.

Weak isku dir. the head of ICU was a harti AG. Just cos some generals might’ve been more Ceyr and a few solider doesn’t mean crap. Everyone was involved in the ICU.

 

[Kan'an]

“Most Abgal believed that the ICU had been hijacked by Salafi jihadist warlords led by two Ayr/Habr Gidir sheikhs Hassan Dahir 'Aweys' and Ayro together with some ex-Afghanistan mujahideen and opportunistic clan warlords such as Sheikh Yusuf Mohamed Siad 'Indha Adde' (Ayr)”

Peacekeepers under fire

Ethiopia is withdrawing its troops but the transitional government is yet to start serious reconciliation efforts

www.africa-confidential.com

This is why @bidenkulaha supports them and labels Aweys an innocent man, even though he is the originator of all jihadism in Somalia.

BS and you know it. The invasion of Somalia brought together the majority moderate and minority extremists element within ICU. When ICU was destroyed the extremists elements represented by AL Shabaab survived and retreated to the south adopting guerrilla warfare and prolonging the Somali civil war.




After the ICU defeated a group of CIA-funded warlords and took control of Mogadishu on June 5, 2006, there were immediate divisions and disagreements among the three primary factions composing the ICU leadership 22. The pragmatists were reluctant to endorse Shari`a based on strict Salafist interpretations as demanded by al-Shabab, and tried their best to distance themselves from the extremists’ idea of justice 23. The pragmatists were also concerned about the growing ranks of Ayro’s al-Shabab militia and its eagerness to shelter foreign al-Qa`ida operatives 24.

Pragmatists and Salafist ideologues also disagreed on various other issues, including the status of women and what the ICU’s official stance should be toward the secular TFG and its Western supporters. For obvious religious and political reasons, al-Shabab flatly rejected the pragmatists’ conciliatory approach to the TFG, which was isolated in Baidoa at the time.

The widening agendas between the Islamist factions in the ICU became irrelevant after Ethiopia invaded Somalia in December 2006. With that development, all Islamists faced a common enemy, and “alliances of convenience” were once again formed to fight the Ethiopian occupation."




"Yusuf, a former warlord who claims to be around 74 years old though he is widely believed to be several years older, has constantly rejected efforts to bring moderate Islamist opposition leaders into the government. Now that he is leaving, many Somalis hope there may be a way to rebuild the government and give the Islamists a meaningful role."



"Yusuf had become increasingly unpopular at home and abroad and was blamed by Washington, Europe and African neighbors for stalling a U.N.-hosted peace process. Yusuf returned to his homeland in the semi-autonomous northern Puntland region."

A Diagnosis of Somalia’s Failing Transitional Government – Combating Terrorism Center at West Point

This article will highlight the three main political trends that composed Somalia's Islamic Courts Union (ICU), outline how the divisions within the ICU created governance problems when it took power in June 2006, explain how these same divisions have led to the current failure of Shaykh...

ctc.usma.edu

 

[World]

Weak isku dir. the head of ICU was a harti AG. Just cos some generals might’ve been more Ceyr and a few solider doesn’t mean crap. Everyone was involved in the ICU.

African confidential is not isku dir. Power was consolidated inside the ICU by Ayr Salafi Jihadists before the Ethiopian invasion.

“The Abgal will not back Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed the former ICU Executive Committee Chairman as one of their clan representatives at the NRC because he allowed Ayr leaders such as Sheikh Hassan Dahir 'Aweys' and Shabaab Commander Adan Hashi 'Ayro' to take control of the ICU in June last year failing to preserve the 'rightful place' of the Abgal/Mudalood/Hawiye in running Mogadishu”

Unlikely meeting of minds

President Abdullahi's government makes some progress but it still isn't trusted

www.africa-confidential.com

22ND JUNE 2007

So as you can see, Hassan Aweys and the first Al Shabab leader Ayro took control of ICU in June 2006. Whilst the Ethiopian invasion took place in December 2006.

 

[World]

These Habar Gidir Ceyr terrorists are very smart. They used Shariif Ahmed to gain the support of Abgaal, then afterwards they discarded him and consolidated power.

 

[Woke1.4rm.Shibis]

The biggest traitors are Sheekh Shariif and Xasan Daahir Aweys who imported the jihadist filth we will have to clean up for the next 50 years.

AY aun was a normal, run of the mill, Somali politician. The people who introduced religion into the Somali Civil War and forever doomed Somalia to counter-insurgency are Shariif and Xasan Dahir.

Imagine thinking that Xasan Dahir Aweys, who killed people inside mosques in Bari and Nugaal in 1992, should have been allowed to rule Southern Somalia. The Ethiopian invasion saved Somalia from becoming a Taliban state where women are stoned in stadiums.

May A.Y rest in peace but let me remind ppl what he will be remembered for .

- volunteering to help ethiopia invade Somalia in the 1980s ,where ethiopia occupied border towns in north and south mudug .

- helping ethiopians occupy the capital and indiscriminately killings civilians, flattening mogadishu until his militia and ethiopian occupational force were defeated and send out if the country .

- indirectly helping al Shabaab come to power

-getting slapped by a 5 ft xabasha

- getting run out of the country by his own puntland ppl where he later died exiled in Yemen .

Compare that to the 6th president of Somalia

-defeated al Shabaab in xamar , baidoa , jowhar , merca ect

- opened the mog- afgooye corridor ,opened the mog-balcad corridor .
Opened afgooye -baidoa corridor

-re opened the sea port and airport for the second time, he opened it the first time while he was icu leader .

- took us out of the transitional stage of the gov and started the constitution that's yet to be completed .

-regarded as the father of modern federal government of Somalia,

You can say whatever you want about the former president sheikh shareef but just know his history is written just like the traitor A.Y history.

"A.Y was normal ,run of the mill ,somali politician"
kulaha lol

 

[Woke1.4rm.Shibis]

Where was your Somalinimo/Islam when you raped Darood teen girls? Where was your Somalinimo/Islam when you decided to evict Somalis from their homes, mercilessly slaughtering them? Where was it when you turned on Majeerteen, the only Darood clan that beared the full brunt of Barres military arsenal, with the support of all Somaliweyne? Where was any of that when you burned Dir grandmothers by the hundreds? Munaafiq, don't ever try to play the moral high-ground with me, uncivilised savage, we're in this whole predicament because of you, kulaha Somalinimo/Islam.

That's fake news afweyne was responsible for rapping other darood women not hawiye . There was no darood in xamar even befor afweyne was dislodged , the lies your parents tell you was their own imagination.

 

[Kan'an]

African confidential is not isku dir. Power was consolidated inside the ICU by Ayr Salafi Jihadists before the Ethiopian invasion.

“The Abgal will not back Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed the former ICU Executive Committee Chairman as one of their clan representatives at the NRC because he allowed Ayr leaders such as Sheikh Hassan Dahir 'Aweys' and Shabaab Commander Adan Hashi 'Ayro' to take control of the ICU in June last year failing to preserve the 'rightful place' of the Abgal/Mudalood/Hawiye in running Mogadishu”

Unlikely meeting of minds

President Abdullahi's government makes some progress but it still isn't trusted

www.africa-confidential.com

22ND JUNE 2007

So as you can see, Hassan Aweys and the first Al Shabab leader Ayro took control of ICU in June 2006. Whilst the Ethiopian invasion took place in December 2006.

ICU was ran by a council. Post the whole article instead of snippits. Prior to the invasion and according to the sources above ICU had 3 different wings, Al Shabaab was foundered by Ayrow who is himself an extension of IAIA. ICU had several leaders in its council the most prominent being Aweys and Shariif who apposed AS extremism.






Before serving as the ICU’s military wing, Al Shabaab’s origins are somewhat ambiguous. Its first leader was Aden Hashi Ayro, who had earlier joined an Islamist movement called Al Ittihad Al Islamiya (AIAI) in 1991. The AIAI disbanded in 1997. Sometime after 1997, Ayro joined what would be called the ICU, a movement within the Somali court system that sought to establish control over Somalia. Ayro may have led a loose group of AIAI militants before joining the ICU, meaning that Al Shabaab may have existed in some form before serving as the ICU’s military wing. However, Al Shabaab mainly developed as part of the ICU, and Ayro helped recruit and train its fighters. Directed by Ayro, Al Shabaab conducted brutal attacks that drew condemnation from local and international communities as well as much of the ICU leadership, including Hassan Dahir Aweys, another former AIAI member and a top ICU leader who has reportedly served as a spiritual influence for Al Shabaab. Al Shabaab’s early activities allegedly included multiple killings of international workers in Somaliland—the northwestern region of Somalia—between 2003 and 2005 as well as the disinterment of an Italian cemetery in 2005. Additionally, Al Shabaab supported the use of violent retaliation against employees of Somalia’s Transitional Federal Government (TFG) after various ICU members were assassinated in 2005, allegedly by the TFG.[5]



In mid-2006, the ICU briefly gained control of central and southern Somalia. Ayro argued for connecting the Somali struggle to a global jihadist agenda, but other ICU leaders wanted to focus on nationalist goals and creating an Islamic state in Somalia. In December 2006, United Nations-backed Ethiopian troops—along with TFG forces and competing warlords—drove the ICU out of Mogadishu. The ICU was completely crushed and formally disbanded on December 27, 2006. However, Ayro’s Al Shabaab remained active. The Ethiopian invasion of Somalia was a crucial event for Al Shabaab, stoking resentment against a foreign occupying power and allowing Al Shabaab to become the major force for resistance in Somalia after most ICU leaders—including Aweys—fled. After the invasion, Al Shabaab conducted attacks against Ethiopian and TFG forces using bombs, suicide operations, and assassinations. The group especially focused on forcing the Ethiopian troops, who remained in Somalia after the invasion, out of the country. In March 2007, African Union troops from Uganda and Burundi—forming a contingent called AMISOM—also joined the operation to stabilize Somalia, and Al Shabaab attacks targeted those troops as well.[6]

https://cisac.fsi.stanford.edu/mappingmilitants/profiles/al-shabaab

 

[bidenkulaha]

May A.Y rest in peace but let me remind ppl what he will be remembered for .

- volunteering to help ethiopia invade Somalia in the 1980s ,where ethiopia occupied border towns in north and south mudug .

- helping ethiopians occupy the capital and indiscriminately killings civilians, flattening mogadishu until his militia and ethiopian occupational force were defeated and send out if the country .

- indirectly helping al Shabaab come to power

-getting slapped by a 5 ft xabasha

- getting run out of the country by his own puntland ppl where he later died exiled in Yemen .

Compare that to the 6th president of Somalia

-defeated al Shabaab in xamar , baidoa , jowhar , merca ect

- opened the mog- afgooye corridor ,opened the mog-balcad corridor .
Opened afgooye -baidoa corridor

-re opened the sea port and airport for the second time, he opened it the first time while he was icu leader .

- took us out of the transitional stage of the gov and started the constitution that's yet to be completed .

-regarded as the father of modern federal government of Somalia,

You can say whatever you want about the former president sheikh shareef but just know his history is written just like the traitor A.Y history.

"A.Y was normal ,run of the mill ,somali politician"
kulaha lol

When you put it like that, you realise AY probably had the worst ending of any Somali politician other than maybe the man who died in a Nigerian toilet but at least the Nigerian toilet man had us fight a war against Ethiopia contrary to AY who broke a 1,000s year tradition and became one of the biggest traitors in history.

 

[Woke1.4rm.Shibis]

it has to be done finally bro. Someone had to finally break the ape behaviour and be a statesmen. The government was based abroad how embarrassing is that

warlords had two spaaroo at the airport. Horta I don’t even know why he did not pick a new capital city. He was the president after all. Picked somewhere safer

someone had to break the warlords and the Xoolo monkey behaviour eventually or you would have had a completely failed state

Yusuf was in Ethiopian prison for 6 years and knew how nasty they were but he was left very little choice

what government has her capital abroad and politicians abroad ?

horta why didn’t Puntland break away isaaq style since they had the chance ?

There was no isbaaro on the airport when icu came to power , I've noticed you sometimes talk at of your ass when you have no knowledge on certain subjects .

Yusuf was in Ethiopian prison for 6 years and knew how nasty they were but he was left very little choice

kkk just becausehe was put in prison for 6 years by the xabashadoes that mean he had to volunteer to occupy the capital with xabashi forces ?

 

[bidenkulaha]