Saudi ruler MBS severely restricts Ramadan activities

[TekNiKo]

@Omar del Sur is this your ruler he has gone mad banning iftaar in masajids? No sadaqah, no kids in taraweeh

 

[GemState]

Saudi needs a Brutus

 

[Omar del Sur]

I am obsessed with Indian food. Therefore I'm a spokesman for Modi? well biryani so I guess I'd be a spokesman for the Pakistan government?

I like Sheikh Ibn Baz and Sheikh Fawzan so I'm a spokesman for the Saudi government?

And if you're a Sufi does that mean you are the Turkish embassy?

I have no idea what the Saudi government is up to. I don't pay attention to the Saudi government anymore than I pay attention to the Somali, Indonesian government or even the government of Sweden.

If you like anime, that doesn't make you a Japan government representative.

If not talking about the Saudi government makes me a Saudi spokesman by that logic I'm also a spokesman for HSM and Farmaajo.

 

[Omar del Sur]

I have no idea why if MBS wakes up with the sniffles, the anti-Salafi crowd feels a need to tag me. You need to tag someone who actually speaks for Saudi. I am no more the Saudi ambassador than some guy who likes Naruto is the ambassador for Japan. I like some of the Saudi scholars. As for their politics, I have no idea what goes on in their politics and I don't pay attention to their politics.

 

[Hamzza]

MBS is a Daghuut

 

[Omar del Sur]

 

[Heavy Mountains]

Idk about MBS but many Muslim dictators and leaders feared mosques and religious gatherings because it could be place for opposition to gather and mobilize public opinions.

For example mosques in Somalia were a gathering place for people who opposed Siad Barre so religious gatherings were heavily monitored and restricted.

 

[Omar del Sur]

you can point to unIslamic things going on within any Muslim country and you can to use this to bash any Muslim country. I don't go around bashing Muslim countries. I love and respect all the Muslim countries and I don't go around bashing their governments.

at the end of the day I'm responsible for what I'm responsible for. I don't worry about what MBS is up to or what the Indonesian government is up to or the Somali government is up to because at the day it's not my responsibility what they are up to. I seriously doubt I'm going to be asked about MBS or about the Somali head of state of the Indonesian head of state on the day of Judgement.

 

[Hamzza]

you can point to unIslamic things going on within any Muslim country and you can to use this to bash any Muslim country. I don't go around bashing Muslim countries. I love and respect all the Muslim countries and I don't go around bashing their governments.

at the end of the day I'm responsible for what I'm responsible for. I don't worry about what MBS is up to or what the Indonesian government is up to or the Somali government is up to because at the day it's not my responsibility what they are up to. I seriously doubt I'm going to be asked about MBS or about the Somali head of state of the Indonesian head of state on the day of Judgement.

@TekNiKo tagged you because you have a history of defending the current Saudi Arabia regime. You were justifying or denying the news of MBS imprisoning prominent scholars if I recall correctly. You've even gotten as far as saying, "attack against Saudi Arabia is an attack on Salafism" because Salafism originates from there.

 

[TekNiKo]

@TekNiKo tagged you because you have a history of defending the current Saudi Arabia regime. You were justifying or denying the news of MBS imprisoning prominent scholars if I recall correctly. You've even gotten as far as saying, "attack against Saudi Arabia is an attack on Salafism" because Salafism originates from there.

Exactly even in one thread he praised Abdulwahabb and Ibn Saud relationship with the British! This guy has been exposed as a Commie disinfo agent

 

[Omar del Sur]

@TekNiKo tagged you because you have a history of defending the current Saudi Arabia regime. You were justifying or denying the news of MBS imprisoning prominent scholars if I recall correctly.

Some of those "scholars" were people who were doing things like promoting suicide bombings. I'm not familiar with every case but I think at least some of them had it coming. It is weird for anyone to tie me with MBS. I don't have any connection with MBS. I agree with some stuff he's done but it's weird to try to tie me to MBS. I have openly defended Bolsonaro and Keiko Fujimori. I don't know of any time where I've defended MBS as such. I don't really talk about MBS and I don't represent MBS.

You've even gotten as far as saying, "attack against Saudi Arabia is an attack on Salafism" because Salafism originates from there.

No, I have not said that. Many of the anti-Saudi types have an anti-Salafi agenda. OP for example is a well known Sufi. But I haven't said what you attributed to me.

 

[Omar del Sur]

Exactly even in one thread he praised Abdulwahabb and Ibn Saud relationship with the British!

you are lying. I don't believe Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab ever had anything to do with the British. How would I praise him for something I don't believe ever happened. Also I am not remotely pro-British.

This guy has been exposed as a Commie disinfo agent

well umm... since it's been exposed that I am a communist according to you, can you post the proof that I am a Communist? me being a Communist is definitely news to me.


edit: just for reference, here is how I feel about Britain. people can judge for themselves whether I'm someone pro-British

I didn't want to offend the UKers on here so I didn't mention this but..... I would never want to honor the British army. I have felt disappointed that Hitler didn't destroy Britain. The British empire in my eyes was butchers and murderers. They were psychopaths.

as far as commies:

Pinochet was right about commies and rendered great service to Chile in helping to cleanse the country of the communist cancer.

Marxism is a Jewish ideology aimed at destroying non-Jews

 

[Sheikh Google]

MBS is Saudis version of Ataturk. You love to see it.

 

[Hamzza]

Some of those "scholars" were people who were doing things like promoting suicide bombings. I'm not familiar with every case but I think at least some of them had it coming. It is weird for anyone to tie me with MBS. I don't have any connection with MBS. I agree with some stuff he's done but it's weird to try to tie me to MBS. I have openly defended Bolsonaro and Keiko Fujimori. I don't know of any time where I've defended MBS as such. I don't really talk about MBS and I don't represent MBS.

Lool, no one in Saudi Arabia can promote Suicide bombing, that's a laughable excuse tbh. they were just against MBS's liberalization process and were imprisoned for that sole reason. I compare them to Ashab Al Kahf in the way they stood for Haqq confronting a ruthless Daqut like MBS.

No, I have not said that. Many of the anti-Saudi types have an anti-Salafi agenda. OP for example is a well known Sufi. But I haven't said what you attributed to me.

You were saying this in a thread talking about MBS increasing the prison sentence of a scholar

firstly- why is it that Saudi specifically is targeted this way?

why not the governments of Somalia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey, Iran, etc.?

because Saudi is deeply associated with Salafiyyah.

it isn't really about Saudi in itself. it's about Salafiyyah.

I don't think Tekniko is Sufi, not everyone who speaks ill of Salafism is Sufi. For anti-Islam members of this forum such as @xoogster Salafim = Islam.

 

[Hamzza]

Exactly even in one thread he praised Abdulwahabb and Ibn Saud relationship with the British! This guy has been exposed as a Commie disinfo agent

Mohamed ibn Abdul Wahhab(d. 1792)
Ibn Saud(d. 1953)

 

[Omar del Sur]

Lool, no one in Saudi Arabia can promote Suicide bombing, that's a laughable excuse tbh. they were just against MBS's liberalization process and were imprisoned for that sole reason. I compare them to Ashab Al Kahf in the way they stood for Haqq confronting a ruthless Daqut like MBS.

I think at least two of them I can think of were advocates of suicide bombing. there was more to it as well. I'd have to pull up the information on them.

You were saying this in a thread talking about MBS increasing the prison sentence of a scholar

I stand by what I said, yes many of the people who are into bashing Saudi are ideologically opposed to Salafiyyah and so yes many of them have an anti-Salafi agenda. OP for example is a "hardcore sufi" who is opposed to "wahhabism".

I don't think Tekniko is Sufi,

Our blessed Sufi traditions remain strong

I am a hardcore Sufi man

Our true creed is Sufi Islam a moderate and authentic to Somali culture. Tell the Najdi Wahabbi criminals to get lost!

not everyone who speaks ill of Salafism is Sufi.

that is correct. some are sufis. liberals. feminists. shia. ikhwanis. it isn't just sufis.

 

[Hamzza]

I stand by what I said, yes many of the people who are into bashing Saudi are ideologically opposed to Salafiyyah and so yes many of them have an anti-Salafi agenda. OP for example is a "hardcore sufi" who is opposed to "wahhabism".

Well, Saudi Arabia is not Salafi anymore, so you don't really need to passionately defend them and scapegoat genuine Sheikhs who faced injustices.

MBS in a recent interview made it clear that his Saudi Arabia is tolerant and will not allow any sect to push another sect. You are talking about Salafism heck, Saudi Arabia is not even a Sunni country anymore according to its ruler, for Shias and Sunnis have the same right in the country.

He said Saudi Arabia has Sunni and Shiite, and among Sunni, you have four schools, and Shiite have different schools, and all of them are represented in number of religious boards.

"Today, No one can push one of the schools’ views to make it as the only way of seeing religion in Saudi Arabia. Maybe that took place in some parts of our history due to the events that I told you about, especially in the 80s, and the 90s, and early 2000s. But today, we are back on the right track, as I said," he added.

Ibn Abdul Wahhab is not Saudi Arabia, reaffirms Crown Prince

Crown Prince Muhammad Bin Salman emphasized the Kingdom’s position with regard to Wahhabism as well as its tolerant and flexible approach toward both its Sunni and Shiite population.

saudigazette.com.sa

Compare this to what Sheikh Ibn Baz said when he was asked if Sunnis and Shiites can unite to fight off communists:

I don’t see this as an option. Rather, Ahl Al Sunnah must unit first and then invite the Shiites to abide by the Book of Allah ﷻ& the Sunnah of his prophet ﷺ[leave their Shiism and become Sunnis] If they do so, they have become our brothers and we must unite with them.

Tolerance and sympathy with the Shi'as, according to Ibn Baz, are conditioned on them renouncing Shiism and adopting Sunnism.

This is opposite to what MBS said and believes.

 

[Noble]

Fake news by that notorious Anti Saudi account

 

[Omar del Sur]

Well, Saudi Arabia is not Salafi anymore, so you don't really need to passionately defend them and scapegoat genuine Sheikhs who faced injustices.

MBS in a recent interview made it clear that his Saudi Arabia is tolerant and will not allow any sect to push another sect. You are talking about Salafism heck, Saudi Arabia is not even a Sunni country anymore according to its ruler, for Shias and Sunnis have the same right in the country.

I'm not commenting on whether MBS is Salafi or he isn't.

But let's say a ruler of a Muslim country isn't Salafi. That means we can rile the people up against them? Do things like incite against them from the mimbar?

You can tag me in a thread about Somalia or Indonesia and try to peer pressure me into badmouthing their governments. I won't do it. And it isn't necessarily about the rulers.

If people start inciting people against their governments from the mimbars, if people start doing that kind of thing- when groups like Al-Shabaab and Al-Qaeda pop up- who is going to get killed? In Syria- who got killed? It wasn't Assad who got killed. Al-Shabaab makes takfir of the Somali government- but it isn't the Somali leader who gets killed. It's the ordinary people.

If we start putting the focus on riling people up against the rulers, this very easily leads to insurgent groups, to violence and people getting killed. I want nothing to do with that kind of rhetoric, whether it's Saudi or any other Muslim country- I want safety and security for all Muslim countries, I don't violence and destabilization for any Muslim country, whether they are Arab, African, Asian or whatever.

 

[Omar del Sur]

look at the tweet that is pinned at the top of the ikhwani guy's twitter:



what is it? celebrating the Arab Spring. this was a wave of civil wars. this was Muslims killing Muslims. I am staunchly opposed to that sort of thing. I don't think Muslims killing each other and things what happened in Syria are anything to celebrate.