Gibil Cad clansal also intermarried with other gibil cad clans , marriage wasn't just restricted to the clan , neighbouring clans would intermarry also. Similar case for gibil madows they intermarried amongst eachother but samaale gibil madows didn't intermarry with járeer gibil madows
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There's no average, there hasn't been enough tests and also from the tests available, people that take the tests hardly provide enough information about themselves like their tribal mixture.
Reer xamars from interior mostly had grandparents or great grandparents from samaale or digil and mirifle clans, on the coast most would be full Reer xamar unless there ancestors took wives from baadiya which was a common practice, the ones being mostly Iranian are either from Persian tribes or heavily mixed with a Persian tribe that's very clear.
The question is wrong, reer xamar isn't one clan that mass migrated. Migrations of ancestors of modern day reer xamar happened over various waves so it depends on tribes, for example ,ancestors of the old Arab tribes had migrated from as early as 2nd hijri century to 7th hijri century.
Ancestors of reer xamars of samaale origin migrated post 16th century till 19th usually they would be named after their ancestor that arrived on the clash from the interior for example reer amiin khalafow, reer sheybow & reer oontirow etc of bandhawow alliance
Obviously not but the coastal areas aka Somalia they did.
They didn't establish the town to begin with. It was Somalis and then Arabs and Persians arrived.
I'm wondering the exact same. What happened to these fabled Arabs and Persians who apparently made up the bulk of the population of the Benadir coast? No genetic evidence has been found.
He mainly compiled oral tales. He isn't an authority at all and he's practically the only "source" for your Benadiri nationalism.
Gibil cad were originally pure lamagoodle before absorbing Indian dalits like u people then they became mutts but originally they were pure, mason work and other important things were done by gibil madow, gibil cad were just merchants
No dhegacas community was ever present in hafuun sxb,I don't know what u on the mason work in the south were done by gibil madow and tunni etc, the north was way more non tolarent with foreigners especially dhegecas, dhegecas were not even allow to set foot in Berbera, the architecture all over Somalia is quite similar, even the ones in interior Somalia anf coast
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Which coastal areas have they visited then?
Arabs and persians established their own neighbourhoods which are modern day Saraha and Awbaali, the reer samaale's settled in Awbaali and have their hut settlements there. Where did these so called early samaale's establish their hut settlement?
All censuses prove Arab and Persian were majority amongst banadiris, All the ancient gravesites are of Arabs and persians but none of Reer samaale. You're only contradicting yourself
Nope, in banaadir history was documented in manuscripts mostly in what we call خط, his book is merely a compilation, our sources are the thousands of manuscripts we have.
You're a funny one, first you went from claiming gibil madows thinking they were ancient now that you lot have realized the truth you jump onto claiming gibil cads.
Gibil cads were merchants, scholars,jurists, fishermen, craftsmen, farmers etc
Clearly those structures weren't made by reer samaale's
Mainly the ones in the north but a few in the south too. IIRC, Ibn Battuta called the inhabitants of Mogadishu the same as the ones in Zeila.
Cool. Still doesn't mean they established the town.
Nice joke. There is no census of pre-modern Somalia. The Italians were the first to do one. And if that was the case then there should be DNA evidence. Hell, Somalis should be part Arabian/Persian too.
How do you know? Did they test them?
Its a compilation of oral tales from a single man. Its secondary to sources from contemporary Arab writers.
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That's still no evidence unless the same Arab and persian tribes of muqdisho lived in Zaylac at the time, the tribes of muqdisho at that time are known but the tribes of zaylac at that time isn't known
The oldest part of the town is basically their area, Saraha and Awbaali are the oldest quarters of Marka everything else was built post 20th century just like how xamar and shingaani are oldest parts of Muqdisho .
There wasn't any intermarriage between gibil cads and gibil madow of marka up until recently. Gibil Madows lived in their own quarter of Awbaali as seen in the right edge of this picture
From their names obviously, testing will only further back it up.
Say who that single man is then, because the content of the book can be found in centuries old manuscripts
There is. There are accounts of Somalis living from Zeila to Merca. Not one of these writings mention Arabs and Persians being the majority.
There is no proof of that. The original inhabitants of the area around Mogadishu were Somalis since the Greeks wrote about it.
Okay? There still isn't a premodern census.
Somalis can have Arab names too.
No historian cites him. He is a random person who is your only source for this information.
Any source mention the Arab and Persian tribes that lived in Zaylac? If so name the source
Mogadishu is older than samaale, prior to samaale's migration to south , gaal madows inhabited the region
There won't be much difference, demographics didn't change much , only difference is that during colonial era there were new areas included in the census.
That wasn't the custom for them back then, also the graves show full names for example if it said maxamed bin liibaan bin warsame then that would make sense but it didn't .
Historian from which era? That's irrelevant anyways, banadiri sources are sufficient for banadiri history
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@Banadiri Warrior What's your take on history of northern Somalia? Do you believe Arab were responsible for most of the ruins there
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Either arabs or Aliens
As the majority? None. Some probably lived there but not enough to be notable.
Except Cushites were living in East Africa from Somalia to Tanzania until the Bantu Expansions. We know for a fact that proto-Somalis were living near the area soon to be called Mogadishu because of the periplus of the Erythraean Sea.
Clearly they did because these fabled Arabs and Persians are nowhere to be seen now. No recorded emigration, exile, or anything.
Lmao what? Somalis had full Arabic names since at least the high middle ages.
Why does no one use these sources? Hmm?
Idk much about Arabs of the north and their civilizations, my focus is on the south
I didn't ask about majority of minority I want to know the names of their tribes , because the ones in Banaadir are known.
I didn't deny cushites living there, those cushites have nothing to do with reer Samaale. No there weren't any Proto-Samaale's in south, as I said there were what Samaale's called gaal madow like the Maadanle, Maatire, Matiiti, Qolomata, Harta Diinle , Maliki Haftun and many more all were remembered through oral history. Those that I mentioned occupied the inter riverine regions of south, the riverine areas were occupied by the various jàreer tribes that still reside there till this day
They still exist and are the majority, each tribe has their emigration recorded in their manuscripts , from as early as 2nd hijri century.
No evidence of that
Who's no one? You're making zero sense
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Did Samaale’s start to settle in banaadir during the Hiraab Imamate? Is it known what happened to all the Cushitic gaal madow tribes after the arrival of Samaale’s & Sab?
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When Somali expanded over the peninsular. Somali tended to exterminate other tribes and ethnic somalis would settle the land or they'd leave the local population so low they'd get bred out of existence. This is Why Somali have the largest land yet are so genetically homogenous.
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