Rwanda Civil War Ended In Agreement

When you have something to lose like your region stability, isdhexgal levels(no more divisions), projects, and overall well being. You will really start to 'negiotate' for a system even if you don't get what you want completely. It's just ridiculous when you got nothing to lose and attend a conference, like you said they just end up being spoilers and the status quo continues to extend as the somali people wonder 'are we ever going to move forward' and start to lose hope.

PL people in general suspect that it's 'rogue' individuals in the south who is wanting to keep the status quo as you heard 'bililiqo bay iska raban' lol and not a nation state that is reconciled and having firm agreements like RWANDA.
Moqadishu has not seen peace for the past 30years, that alone shows that centralism is a right off.
 
With true federalism Mx/hawiye lose.
Yeah we don't mind if their centralists. That's a lie for ppl to think PL is rejecting their centralism politics. We don't even reject somaliland secessionist politics. Lakin horta idinku ku heeshiya and when you do come to the table with it. Not like how it is now with marehan regions not in agreement on anything or hawiye meel kasto yaalo. One village to another has no shared agreement you know that bro, how can we negiotate? it will lead to spoilers arising and the conference breaking down like they so wish duli duli dhalay hawiye iyo marehan.

WE NOT FORCING FEDERALISM ON THEM. But we are forcing they start bottom up and create a policy that unites their region so we can discuss if somalia goes separate/central/federal. They refuse to do this part that is causing the friction.
 
Moqadishu has not seen peace for the past 30years, that alone shows that centralism is a right off.
QABIILE. GO FROM VILLAGE TO VILLAGE IN MAREHAN AND HAWIYE AND RAHANWAYN AREAS AND SAY MAREHAN MUXU HEESHISH KU YAHAY, YOU WILL GET 100 DIFFERENT ANSWERS FROM ALL THESE VILLAGES IN GEDO. NO SHARED POLICY, NO WAY TO NEGIOTATE AT A NATIONA LEVEL. IT GONNA CAUSE THE CONFERENCE TO COLLAPSE AS IT ALWAYS HAS.

THATS WHY WE CRYING TO BOTTOM UP, VILLAGE TO VILLAGE HA AADEEN ONE POLICY HAKA SOO SAAREEN. THATS IT..HOW HARD IS THAT BRO?
 
Yeah we don't mind if their centralists. That's a lie for ppl to think PL is rejecting their centralism politics. We don't even reject somaliland secessionist politics. Lakin horta idinku ku heeshiya and when you do come to the table with it. Not like how it is now with marehan regions not in agreement on anything or hawiye meel kasto yaalo. One village to another has no shared agreement you know that bro, how can we negiotate? it will lead to spoilers arising and the conference breaking down like they so wish duli duli dhalay hawiye iyo marehan.

WE NOT FORCING FEDERALISM ON THEM. But we are forcing they start bottom up and create a policy that unites their region so we can discuss if somalia goes separate/central/federal. They refuse to do this part that is causing the friction.
It's all about the lacaag, their political backers benefit from an unstable peace. This conference in qardho is to facilitate the safe passage of mining/drilling companies throughout the whole of Somaliweyne.
 
Puntland could do what you just said. Pluck out the federalist lovers from each region and create top down national conference but this will lead all the other villages to riot bro and fight and say 'anaga nama quseeyso' and all that nonsense. Hence it's critical they unite at regional level and come to the table iyago HAL ah oo HAL MEEL UJEEDA.
 
QABIILE. GO FROM VILLAGE TO VILLAGE IN MAREHAN AND HAWIYE AND RAHANWAYN AREAS AND SAY MAREHAN MUXU HEESHISH KU YAHAY, YOU WILL GET 100 DIFFERENT ANSWERS FROM ALL THESE VILLAGES IN GEDO. NO SHARED POLICY, NO WAY TO NEGIOTATE AT A NATIONA LEVEL. IT GONNA CAUSE THE CONFERENCE TO COLLAPSE AS IT ALWAYS HAS.

THATS WHY WE CRYING TO BOTTOM UP, VILLAGE TO VILLAGE HA AADEEN ONE POLICY HAKA SOO SAAREEN. THATS IT..HOW HARD IS THAT BRO?
Those clans have no isimo:samwelcome:
 
Those clans have no isimo:samwelcome:
We don't care what policy they bring about. Somaliland brought out secessionist policy(if u go from village to village asking are you somalilander and seccesionist) you get 100 different answers. That's not proper system, that's just plucking out those who agree with you and those who don't begin the 'nama quseeyso' and hence instability and status quo. Hawiye, Marehan, Rahanwayn regions are exactly the same, no shared policy at all, u go from one village to another he will say I AM SHARIAH LAW SUPPORTER, Another will say DAWLADA SOMALIA IYO HAMAR(CENTRALISM), Another will say I am (jubbaland, galmudug, hirshabelle, koonfur galbeed). See bro, who do you talk with? We could be dishonest and pluck out OUR FRIENDS and people who share the same policy with us, but we know deep down it's wasting SOMALIA TIME as all the opposition and nama quseeyso and dagaal begins.

So we told them idinku isku laabta oo wax ku heeshiya, wax kasto ha noqote, just wax ku heeshiya markas noo imaada anaga. I don't see how this is a bad thing bro. Umad aan heeshin, usually DHULKA BAY YAALAN(DEAD BODIES) ILEEN QOF BA UU HEESHIYAY?
 
@Qabille Small regional based 'heeshish' and multiples of this scattered around the nation will bring about a larger 'heeshish' that is even better. That is what Islan Maxamed said here

Watch here from 1:30 mark

He says it clearly for all Somalis to listen to his wisdom. Dawlad yar(heeshish yar umad ka dhaxayso) waxay ku gaynaysa(dawlad wayn oo heeshish ah). That makes logical sense to me. Small agreement leads to a large agreement. It doesnt make sense large agreement just pops out of nowhere as the hamar boys imagine, there has to be prior steps to such agreement to even exist. Unless they believe in MAGIC and Superstition and not science which says everything has a small beginning and grows larger.
 

Yonis

Puntland Youth Organiser
FDK Visionary
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Rwanda solved their Hvtu problem, the same cannot be said for Somalia
 

Ras

It's all so tiresome
VIP
Wrong. The civil war ended because someone won.

We could've ended our current civil war within a few years at most but the west quickly intervened.

Now were left to fill a power vacuum with spears and stones because of the arms embargo.
 

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