Russia-Ukraine War
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The Answer is China
China with 2 billion people they are not rich us the west glory to ukraine
Soon will send this boy to fight the bully Russia
China isn’t a big enough customer for Russian gas. They already have shares in Australian gas and energy companies that give them cheap energy that’s reliable and easily transported.
Why would they throw that away for Russia?
Nilotic
VIP
Finland and Sweden were never truly neutral, so their accession into NATO would just be a formalisation of a pre-existing reality.
Finland and Sweden are not as important to Russia in geopolitical, cultural and historical terms as Ukraine.
It will take large Nations like Germany at least 3-5 years to find sustainable alternatives to Russian gas.
Russia is in the process of constructing a gas pipeline directly into China, which would obviate the need for the EU energy market.
China and Russia have agreed to substantially increase this part of their trade.
It makes strategic sense for China to get its energy from a State that is not Washington compliant; and does not have to traverse oceans that are still dominated by the U.S. Navy.
Reformed J
VIP
The Yakutia-China pipeline has been operational for a few years now
Nilotic
VIP
I'm referring to the new pipelines that Russia is currently constructing.
Source:
Russia is building a massive, 50 billion cubic meter gas pipeline to China
Europe accounts for 40 percent of Russia's gas exports, and the country is now trying to reduce its dependency on Europe with a China pipeline plan.
interestingengineering.com
@Periplus
The articles below outlines China’s intentions to relieve itself of its dependence on Australia by turning to Russia.
China turns to Russian gas to curb dependence on Quad members
Beijing and Moscow eye pipeline capacity equal to half European demand
asia.nikkei.com
Edit: It seems that (for now) Russia will only partially recover from losing the European energy market by diverting to China; Russia will still need at least 70 bcm from elsewhere, however, China's consumption of gas is set to increase to 526bn m³.
In either case, Russia will not collapse.
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Since your reply covers a fair few points, I’ll use dot points.
1. Same could be said for Ukraine. Joining NATO would just be the formalisation of an existing treaty. However, the reality is that these countries are neutral and have edged towards NATO to counter Russian aggression. Not the other way around.
2. May not be as important but still important. Finland shares a border with Russia and historical/political ties. This also huge implications for the Black Sea and the Kaliningrad section of Russia. That region and its military installations will effectively be surrounded by NATO.
3. It will take them a while to get rid of Russian energy completely but they can significantly reduce it to negligible levels within a year or two. This is in line with the wider EU plan for Russian gas.
4. That Russian pipeline is still smaller in capacity than Nordstream 2, let alone Nordstream 1 or the combined pipelines to Europe. China is several times larger than Europe, yet its future gas importation from Russia will be roughly similar to that Europe pre-Ukraine at the very most. That is not going to make Russia richer.
Nilotic
VIP
Kievan Rus is holy to the Russians and they see it as the place of their common origin with Belarus and Ukraine; NATO in their place of origin would be sacrilege to the Russians. The Russians will pay whatever price necessary to prevail in Ukraine.
The idea that Russia would happily just give up Ukraine to an explicitly anti-Russian military alliance is absurd; the West should have accepted Russia's request to designate and treat Ukraine as a neutral State instead of being blinkered and arrogant and claiming that Russia was irrelevant.
The West knew (years in advance) that Russia would go to war if Ukraine was actually offered NATO membership or treated as a de factor NATO member.
Yes, Russia is in a bind in regard to the Baltic Sea and Kalingrad, but victory in Ukraine would make it worth it.
Where did you get the time estimation for the EU to wean itself from its dependence on Russian gas? Germany will take longer than a year or two to find reliable and sustainable alternatives.
Russia is currently constructing 3 more pipelines to China; and with China’s voracious gas appetite growing as it is... Russia will be poised to provide China with the 526bn m³ that its market will require in the years to come. China’s gas imports from Russia rose by 50% on year in 2021.
Periplus is such west bootylicker, you are Somali nacasyahow, how has the western dominated world helped your people, or you only think of yourself ( like a proper westerner )?? The world order right now doesn’t help any African person, I don’t care for Russia or Ukraine, but I love seeing western hypocrisy exposed for the whole world to see
Reformed J
VIP
I see what you mean. The new pipeline through the Altais comes from the same gas field(s) in Yakutia. More convenient delivery to western china's existing pipeline is all, no new gas concessions.I'm referring to the new pipelines that Russia is currently constructing.
Source:
Russia is building a massive, 50 billion cubic meter gas pipeline to China
Europe accounts for 40 percent of Russia's gas exports, and the country is now trying to reduce its dependency on Europe with a China pipeline plan.
@Periplus
The articles below outlines China’s intentions to relieve itself of its dependence on Australia by turning to Russia.
China turns to Russian gas to curb dependence on Quad members
Beijing and Moscow eye pipeline capacity equal to half European demand
Edit: It seems that (for now) Russia will only partially recover from losing the European energy market by diverting to China; Russia will still need at least 70 bcm from elsewhere, however, China's consumption of gas is set to increase to 526bn m³.
In either case, Russia will not collapse.
It doesn’t really matter at the end of the day if Russia prevails in Ukraine or if they would stand idly by while Ukraine exercised its sovereignty in choosing alliances.
What matters is, how will this chess game pan out. Even my pro-Russia Syrian Assadist friend realises that Russia isn’t winning this in the long run. They and China will weaken the US but the West will still win this Cold War.
Mind you, Ukraine was unable to join NATO regardless of whether they or NATO wanted them to join.
As for the gas figures I mentioned, it’s what the EU claims for their entire usage. Since Germany is a member nation, I assume they’re included.
Triggered much?
I am looking at Russia and the West objectively unlike the rest of you.
Most of you support Russia because you hate the West but forget that Russia is also imperialist and has a worse track record.
If you think the world order today doesn’t help anyone, let’s see what you think when we’re plunged back into a Cold War and each superpower is hovering around Africa like vultures.
@Nilotic apparently Germany is now claiming they can stop relying on Russian gas in around 2 years, which is much faster than I expected.
I thought they would be able to reduce it significantly in that time but not get rid of it.
www.reuters.com
I thought they would be able to reduce it significantly in that time but not get rid of it.
Germany ramps up capacity for LNG imports to replace Russian gas
Germany took steps to ramp up liquefied natural gas (LNG) imports on Thursday as it moves away from piped Russian supply, renting four floating storage and regasification units (FSRUs) and choosing the North Sea port of Wilhelmshaven as the first handling hub.
