Restoration of Monuments

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Ahmed Gurey

Sayid Mohamed Abdulle Hassan

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Xaawo Taako

Dhagaxtuur

 

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[DR OSMAN]

I want to see regional Museums in every regional govt being proud of people who were important to they're history. I want to see a Resurrection of Majerteniya Kingdom history and individuals who were critical to it. This can mean statues also, Museums of artifacts, and so forth, public holiday recognition, and so many other things. We must remind the regions of they're past also and denying it will cause 'qabyalad' to rise as they will fear your trying to CANCEL out they're history.

I also want to see @Teeri-Alpha to 'tanasul' on JL affairs and especially Kismayo and honor the people who are important to Kismaayo cause Sayidka never reached that area. Sayid wasn't a regional hero, but a national hero because all Somalis study his 'gabayo' like it's the Somali gospel. Tanasul for god sakes Teeri for the Jubbalanders and honor those who were important in Kismaayo. HARTINIMO ISN'T A CHOICE IT'S A FACT

 

[Mckenzie]

Hormuud Telecom need to chill the f*ck out, they are setting up billboards and banners everywhere even in front of the national landmarks.

 

[Dues Ex Machina]

Great to see the statues back where they belong!

 

[Farjano-Walad]

personally i think its haram to have them as its against islam, despite being an Ogaden and an Absame and all the 6 statues in 1960 being Absame heroes, poets, warriors, Kings etc, i disagree, its against islam,

what would Sayidka, Hawo Tako, king wiil waal, Rage ugaas, Qamaan Bulxaan, Cigaal shide etc say if they were asked?

this is against islamic and those people would hate it,

 

[DR OSMAN]

personally i think its haram to have them as its against islam, despite being an Ogaden and an Absame and all the 6 statues in 1960 being Absame heroes, poets, warriors, Kings etc, i disagree, its against islam,

what would Sayidka, Hawo Tako, king wiil waal, Rage ugaas, Qamaan Bulxaan, Cigaal shide etc say if they were asked?

this is against islamic and those people would hate it,

What is your understanding of Islam, at what level are u? Islam is 'concept' and people have different levels of understandings to it. It's not fixed as some assume, or it would mean allah word has an 'end' and that is against his nature since he has no end, so the knowledge of quran itself should have no end in understanding as one understanding has more daleel then the previous understanding. It's supposed to be an evolving book to say it has an end means this isn't word of god since god wisdom has no end, and every generation should be able to present different ways of looking at the quran with more daleel. Daleel is paramount, this is the language of the universe. No daleel means it's your opinion and nothing more and opinions can be right or wrong.

Statues isn't a problem in my understanding of Islam. The worship of statues is haram, not the statue itself. Your making the statue itself haram, not knowing there is no worship behind such thing. See the level of your undertanding is 'statue' my understanding is the INTENTION behind the statue. Islam has grappled with this sort of religious understanding for centuries. But Somalis should stay out of ISLAMIC topic, you have no famous person who has contributed to ISLAM understanding anyways. That's why I fear Somalis as 'slaves' of the mind, weligood aduunka wax ma taran be it diini ama maadi, sometimes I WONDER did god intend for them to be 'slaves'

 

[Farjano-Walad]

I want to see regional Museums in every regional govt being proud of people who were important to they're history. I want to see a Resurrection of Majerteniya Kingdom history and individuals who were critical to it. This can mean statues also, Museums of artifacts, and so forth, public holiday recognition, and so many other things. We must remind the regions of they're past also and denying it will cause 'qabyalad' to rise as they will fear your trying to CANCEL out they're history.

I also want to see @Teeri-Alpha to 'tanasul' on JL affairs and especially Kismayo and honor the people who are important to Kismaayo cause Sayidka never reached that area. Sayid wasn't a regional hero, but a national hero because all Somalis study his 'gabayo' like it's the Somali gospel. Tanasul for god sakes Teeri for the Jubbalanders and honour those who were important in Kismaayo. HARTINIMO ISN'T A CHOICE IT'S A FACT

sorry but apart from Absame who all the 6 statues built in xamar in 1960 were all Absame, the average somali clan has nothing to celebrate or no real historical heroes, warriors, poets, kings of old etc,

Absame was making history hence why all the 6 statues built in 1960 for Somalia; independence were all Absame, Jidwaq and Ogaden to be exact, but the other somali clans have no o little history, in fact most somali clans came out of the wood work in 1960 and became known,

maybe 1door, they have a couple famous poets but for every 10 poets Ogaden/Absame has like 9 or 8, kings, warriors, fighters, hence why Ogaden/Jidwaq/Absame are the grandfathers of somalinimo,

sorry Dr, the average somali (99%) just doesn't have the history you speak of, well not ancient hisotry like us Ogaden/Absame

 

[Farjano-Walad]

What is your understanding of Islam, at what level are u? Islam is 'concept' and people have different levels of understandings to it. It's not fixed as some assume, or it would mean allah word has an 'end' and that is against his nature since he has no end, so the knowledge of quran itself should have no end in understanding as one understanding has more daleel then the previous understanding. It's supposed to be an evolving book to say it has an end means this isn't word of god since god wisdom has no end, and every generation should be able to present different ways of looking at the quran with more daleel. Daleel is paramount, this is the language of the universe. No daleel means it's your opinion and nothing more and opinions can be right or wrong.

Statues isn't a problem in my understanding of Islam. The worship of statues is haram, not the statue itself. Your making the statue itself haram, not knowing there is no worship behind such thing. See the level of your undertanding is 'statue' my understanding is the INTENTION behind the statue. Islam has grappled with this sort of religious understanding for centuries. But Somalis should stay out of ISLAMIC topic, you have no famous person who has contributed to ISLAM understanding anyways. That's why I fear Somalis as 'slaves' of the mind, weligood aduunka wax ma taran be it diini ama maadi, sometimes I WONDER did god intend for them to be 'slaves'

Sa’eed ibn Abi’l-Hasan said: I was with Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) when a man came to him and said, O Abu ‘Abbaas, I am a man who lives by what his hands make, and I make these images. Ibn ‘Abbaas said: I will only tell you what I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say. I heard him say: “Whoever makes an image, Allaah will punish him until he breathes life into it, and he will never be able to do that.” The man became very upset and his face turned pale, so [Ibn ‘Abbaas] said to him, Woe to you! If you insist on making images, then make images of these trees and everything that does not have a soul. (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2112; Muslim, 2110).

Ourcompanions and other scholars said: making images of animate beings is extremely haraam and is a major sin, because severe warnings have been issued against it in the ahaadeeth. Whether the image is made to be used in a disrespectful fashion or for other purposes, it is haraam to make it in all cases, because it implies that one is trying to match the creation of Allaah, whether the image is to appear on a garment, carpet, coin, vessel, wall or whatever. With regard to pictures of trees, camel saddles, and other pictures in which no animate beings appear, these are not haraam. This is the ruling on making images. (Sharh Muslim, 14/81).

 

[Farjano-Walad]

What is your understanding of Islam, at what level are u? Islam is 'concept' and people have different levels of understandings to it. It's not fixed as some assume, or it would mean allah word has an 'end' and that is against his nature since he has no end, so the knowledge of quran itself should have no end in understanding as one understanding has more daleel then the previous understanding. It's supposed to be an evolving book to say it has an end means this isn't word of god since god wisdom has no end, and every generation should be able to present different ways of looking at the quran with more daleel. Daleel is paramount, this is the language of the universe. No daleel means it's your opinion and nothing more and opinions can be right or wrong.

Statues isn't a problem in my understanding of Islam. The worship of statues is haram, not the statue itself. Your making the statue itself haram, not knowing there is no worship behind such thing. See the level of your undertanding is 'statue' my understanding is the INTENTION behind the statue. Islam has grappled with this sort of religious understanding for centuries. But Somalis should stay out of ISLAMIC topic, you have no famous person who has contributed to ISLAM understanding anyways. That's why I fear Somalis as 'slaves' of the mind, weligood aduunka wax ma taran be it diini ama maadi, sometimes I WONDER did god intend for them to be 'slaves'

sorry doctor but you are wrong, dont follow desire and split hair bro, its haram, statues, making them, selling them, constructing them, all haraam,

remember you are speaking to an Ogaden, we study the deen and know islam better than any somali clan, its no wonder all the fmaous somali sheikhs in the last few hundred years were majority Ogaden/Kuumade, Umal, Shibly, Cali Yusuf, Sheikh Somali etc,

warya lets NOT get our desire ahead of ourselves, statues are haraam 100%,

if i was in charge i would destroy those statues, despite the fact all the statues build for the 6 somali heroes are all Ogaden/Absame, i dont care, islam comes first,

name aiports after them, not build statues,

edo hawo tako and adeer rage ugaas and adeer king wiil waal and adeer sayidka would not accept statues of their images, they would agree with islam if they could speak,

 

[DR OSMAN]

Sa’eed ibn Abi’l-Hasan said: I was with Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) when a man came to him and said, O Abu ‘Abbaas, I am a man who lives by what his hands make, and I make these images. Ibn ‘Abbaas said: I will only tell you what I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say. I heard him say: “Whoever makes an image, Allaah will punish him until he breathes life into it, and he will never be able to do that.” The man became very upset and his face turned pale, so [Ibn ‘Abbaas] said to him, Woe to you! If you insist on making images, then make images of these trees and everything that does not have a soul. (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2112; Muslim, 2110).

Ourcompanions and other scholars said: making images of animate beings is extremely haraam and is a major sin, because severe warnings have been issued against it in the ahaadeeth. Whether the image is made to be used in a disrespectful fashion or for other purposes, it is haraam to make it in all cases, because it implies that one is trying to match the creation of Allaah, whether the image is to appear on a garment, carpet, coin, vessel, wall or whatever. With regard to pictures of trees, camel saddles, and other pictures in which no animate beings appear, these are not haraam. This is the ruling on making images. (Sharh Muslim, 14/81).

Hadith itself isn't the Quran, the prophet may have said not to 'eat bananas' it causes problem, that's a choice up to you. People assume if the prophet said something it's absolute like god's word. If that is the case then the prophet and god are one. There are some things in Islam that is about god which is undisputeable and other things about the prophet choices and likes which isn't mandatory in my book. Hadith is 'sunnah' anyways. The 5 pillars of Islam doesn't even mention it as 'critical component' of being a muslim. Prayer, fast, oneness of god, hajj, and one other one are the only critical things to make a muslim, the rest is up to you waryaa if u want to practise or not. Don't make it appear like it's MANDATORY. We are not supposed to be prophets or idolize they're lifestyles anyways, you shouldn't waste time on what you are not sent to be.

 

[Farjano-Walad]

Hadith itself isn't the Quran, the prophet may have said not to 'eat bananas' it causes problem, that's a choice up to you. People assume if the prophet said something it's absolute like god's word. If that is the case then the prophet and god are one. There are some things in Islam that is about god which is undisputeable and other things about the prophet choices and likes which isn't mandatory in my book. Hadith is 'sunnah' anyways. The 5 pillars of Islam doesn't even mention it as 'critical component' of being a muslim. Prayer, fast, oneness of god, hajj, and one other one are the only critical things to make a muslim, the rest is up to you waryaa if u want to practise or not. Don't make it appear like it's MANDATORY. We are not supposed to be prophets or idolize they're lifestyles anyways, you shouldn't waste time on what you are not sent to be.

with out hadith you would not know how to pray, wadu, hajj, marriage laws, umra, business contracts, etc, dude the hadith is sanctioned and protected like the quran by god, you do know that right?

All says hold on to the Quran and hadith of your nabi SAW,

anyways, you create podcasts insulting somali tribes, so i dont think you know much about islam, no offence, otherwise you would not do such back biting things like that

 

[Ayubi]

Hadith itself isn't the Quran, the prophet may have said not to 'eat bananas' it causes problem, that's a choice up to you. People assume if the prophet said something it's absolute like god's word. If that is the case then the prophet and god are one. There are some things in Islam that is about god which is undisputeable and other things about the prophet choices and likes which isn't mandatory in my book. Hadith is 'sunnah' anyways. The 5 pillars of Islam doesn't even mention it as 'critical component' of being a muslim. Prayer, fast, oneness of god, hajj, and one other one are the only critical things to make a muslim, the rest is up to you waryaa if u want to practise or not. Don't make it appear like it's MANDATORY. We are not supposed to be prophets or idolize they're lifestyles anyways, you shouldn't waste time on what you are not sent to be.

Are you hearing yourself @DR OSMAN? @Teeri-Alpha quoted you Sahih Al Bukhari which is the most authentic book after the Quran. He quoted the Prophets own words which prohibited making images or statues.

Everything the Prophet said about sin, God and others is because Allah told him.

The Quran clearly says he does not speak of his own inclinations but it’s a revelation from Allah (Surah An Najm chapter 3 verses 3-4)

Just accept the Hadith and stop writing essays on top of essays trying to justifying something that’s haram.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Are you hearing yourself @DR OSMAN? @Teeri-Alpha quoted you Sahih Al Bukhari which is the most authentic book after the Quran. He quoted the Prophets own words which prohibited making images or statues.

Everything the Prophet said about sin, God and others is because Allah told him.

The Quran clearly says he does not speak of his own inclinations but it’s a revelation from Allah (Surah An Najm chapter 3 verses 3-4)

Just accept the Hadith and stop writing essays on top of essays justifying something that’s haram.

He said, She Said is destroyed by 'evidence'. The one who is doing haram is the one who rejects reasoning and logic and empirical methods, surely if your right, you could prove what u say beyond 'HE SAID SHE SAID'. That doesn't give me any confidence to follow you, infact if I do, I am not being cautious muslim and may fall into Idolatry itself which is sheikh and hadith worship. I don't worship the prophet, you can if you want. I have relationship with GOD, a different one to you. I only us the prophet to help me understand who god is and what expects of me. War niyahow isku islam manahin, I dont follow the sheep unless I SEE SCIENCE

 

[Ayubi]

He said, She Said is destroyed by 'evidence'. The one who is doing haram is the one who rejects reasoning and logic and empirical methods, surely if your right, you could prove what u say beyond 'HE SAID SHE SAID'. That doesn't give me any confidence to follow you, infact if I do, I am not being cautious muslim and may fall into Idolatry itself which is sheikh and hadith worship. I don't worship the prophet, you can if you want. I have relationship with GOD, a different one to you. I only us the prophet to help me understand who god is and what expects of me. War niyahow isku islam manahin, I dont follow the sheep unless I SEE SCIENCE

@DR OSMAN You say you have a relationship with God. We all agree that Allah speaks to us through the Quran.

If so then Allah tells you to obey the Prophet.

Say, [O Muhammad], "If you should love Allah, then follow me, [so] Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." (Surah 3:31)

When the prophet prohibits a thing, we must obey. The Sahih Hadiths are the Prophet Muhammad (saw) teachings. So when the prophet says don’t make images, we must obey including you.

https://islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/7222

 

[DR OSMAN]

@DR OSMAN You say you have a relationship with God. We all agree that Allah speaks to us through the Quran.

If so then Allah tells you to obey the Prophet.

Say, [O Muhammad], "If you should love Allah, then follow me, [so] Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." (Surah 3:31)

When the prophet prohibits a thing, we must obey. The Sahih Hadiths are the Prophet Muhammad (saw) teachings. So when the prophet says don’t make images, we must obey including you.

https://islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/7222

Warheedhe, adigu ma iska madax adag tahay mise waxay ka tahay 'dood' baan raba? wadan uu socodo nuclear war iyo wadamada ugu jahilsan aduunka, iyo siday quranka iyo hadith uu aqriyan ha ii keenin, this is one of the first evidence I use to dismiss your ISLAM, GURIGAGA AYAA NAARTA UU EEK, WAXANA KEENAYSO SHAYDHAN BA TAHAY AMA MAXAA GURI BURBURSAN KU FARISIYE WARYAA HADADAN SHAYDHAN TOOS AHAYN? THE FACT YOU LIVE IN THE WORLD MOST BACKWARD REGION AND POOREST SOCIETY AND TERRORISM IS ENUFF PROOF ANYTHING U SAY ON ISLAM IS FALSE OR ELSE GURIGAGA AYAA JANO UU EEKAN LAHA. ADAA ISKA AMINSAN NIMANKASI ARABTA I YO DIINTA SIDAY UU FASIRTEEN, ANIGUNA WAXAN KU YIRAHDA GURIGAGA HAGAAJISO INTADAN DIIN II FASIRIN

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Ahmed sheikh If you had the true interpretation of Islam, you would be in a golden age like Syria/Iraq was, but today your in a dark age, which means to me illahi ayaa ku jebinayo ileen jidka toosan ayaa ka leexatay, ama gurigaga sidasi uma eekateen nooca shaydhanka hadad diin saxsan haysid, u must tanasul sxb just look at your surrounding, its burning like HELL, manta naar ayaa ku jirta mid aduun ah, iss gabo illahi jidka toosan ii tusi dheh, ha aadin guri gubanayo inaad qurankisa barato waryaa doqon miyaa tahay

 

[Ayubi]

@Ahmed sheikh If you had the true interpretation of Islam, you would be in a golden age like Syria/Iraq was, but today your in a dark age, which means to me illahi ayaa ku jebinayo ileen jidka toosan ayaa ka leexatay, ama gurigaga sidasi uma eekateen nooca shaydhanka hadad diin saxsan haysid, u must tanasul sxb just look at your surrounding, its burning like HELL, manta naar ayaa ku jirta mid aduun ah, iss gabo illahi jidka toosan ii tusi dheh, ha aadin guri gubanayo inaad qurankisa barato waryaa doqon miyaa tahay

@DR OSMAN My Somali isn’t that good. Next time if your going to quote me, quote me in English.

What does my interpretation of Islam have to do with the problems going on in the Ummah? I simply proved what i said and my intention was to simply correct you. We need to Worship Allah by obeying him. Allah tells us to follow the prophet so we must obey Allahs commands by following the prophet, it’s that simple.

If I could understand you correctly, Are you saying Allah ayaa ku jibenayo because of my interpretation?

The reason why Muslims are in this poor position is because of multiple reasons. Were disunited and it has to do with the countries current domestic affairs and foreign meddling also plays a role in it. Take Somalia for an example. Somalia failed because of low iq tribalist idiots who decided to kill each other and destroy their nation and now the country is suffering because of tribalism.

Also don’t forget, there are first class rich Muslim countries like Turkey, Kuwait, Gulf Arab nations and other Muslim countries.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@DR OSMAN My Somali isn’t that good. Next time if your going to quote me, quote me in English.

What does my interpretation of Islam have to do with the problems going on in the Ummah? I simply proved what i said and my intention was to simply correct you. We need to Worship Allah by obeying him. Allah tells us to follow the prophet so we must obey Allahs commands by following the prophet, it’s that simple.

If I could understand you correctly, Are you saying Allah ayaa ku jibenayo because of my interpretation?

The reason why Muslims are in this poor position is because of multiple reasons. Were disunited and it has to do with the countries current domestic affairs and foreign meddling also plays a role in it. Take Somalia for an example. Somalia failed because of low iq tribalist idiots who decided to kill each other and destroy their nation and now the country is suffering because of tribalism.

Also don’t forget, there are first class rich Muslim countries like Turkey, Kuwait, Gulf Arab nations and other Muslim countries.

@Teeri-Alpha Please let's keep these 'islamist' out of power who I suspect are 'mole' in our nation sent by the enemy cause they know how STUPID they are and want our stupidity in power. He is boasting about Turkey and Gulf states who 'create no weapons no inventions' the only think they have is 'trade' selling like a damn shop keeper. This guy is sad basket case and imagine he had control of our nation future. He actually looks up these Turks and Gulf arabs loooooooool. It's not hard to get Europeans to dig your ground for you and buy those products to fuel it's economy.

The world order is defined waryaa. It's West led by America and they're friends in Europe/Australia/Japan/South Korea. Against Russia and her friends former Soviet states. This is the world order and power structure. China is 'neutral power' but itself they are not 'inventing economy' either they don't add anything new in terms of intellectual property to the world. We need intellectual property growth or we will fall behind with the times or be held hostage by world powers.

Amazing how he is an Islamist, I hope u don't have any 'government' intentions with such an outlook, listen the IDEAL world that the quran describes is not the world you live in, you need to learn to ADAPT or die, the world isn't going to switch around to match how your book says it should be. It's up to you to achieve such world and you can't do it by going around preaching to people do u understand? the Islam in practise today is intended to disable knowledge and empowering of muslims, to make them feel weak and neglect the world and say allah gave the world to the jews and christians and he gave us jannah, this is exactly the intention behind radical islam or islamism, to ensure the death of Islamic nations in the world stage.

@Teeri-Alpha What is your views on these Islamist, I personaly would clear them out like galgala 93 abdillahi yusuf, I don't even think REASONING with them works as they just argue back detailing verse after verse lol