Reports of FGS Haramcad landing in Lascaanood to capture Eastern Sanaag

[SomaliSteel]

P-land and S-land need to accept reality. SSC is its own state now.

 

[Abdisamad]

P-land and S-land need to accept reality. SSC is its own state now.

No one in PL is against the creation or the existence of Khatumo state, why else would we support the liberation of Lascaanood with our blood, but what we are against is the interference by Qoslaye administration which is an of the federal system, the constitution and and any common agreement we've had, instead of recognizing he's failure and stepping down Qoslaye has chosen to play a dirty game, one that destablizes the safety, security and unity between Khatumo state and PL.. We consider anyone working for or working with the corrupt failed Qoslaye administration an enemy, and they're not welcome on PL soil.. If these horgals want to die for Qoslaaye and few handouts so be it, we won't spare our bullets.

 

[Karim]

One thing is definitely certain: Dhulbahante were always led by someone else, the history tells us that Ogaden led them (Sayidka), sometimes Marehan led them (Siyaad Barre), and sometimes they were led by Abdullahi Yusuf later they were led by Isaaq for 15 years, NOW Garguurte is leading them, shipping them ammunitions and soldiers to fight PL forces in Sanaag. A cannon fodder ready to be used whenever their master tells them to.

 

[Midas]

The issue is that the combining of ssc khatuml with makhir isnt something that can be rushed. Warsaneglis are obviously ambivalent to the idea of being under dulhbante. With there being a lot of talk among warsangeli of also being independent. Both deni and hsm want to force the issue and deni seems to be trying to control the warsangeli by force by sending in military.

If this does spill into violence then it'll probably end with makhir being its own state. (Which is honestly a very pouplar idea among warsangeli)

 

[Abdisamad]

The issue is that the combining of ssc khatuml with makhir isnt something that can be rushed. Warsaneglis are obviously ambivalent to the idea of being under dulhbante. With there being a lot of talk among warsangeli of also being independent. Both deni and hsm want to force the issue and deni seems to be trying to control the warsangeli by force by sending in military.

If this does spill into violence then it'll probably end with makhir being its own state. (Which is honestly a very pouplar idea among warsangeli)

You make it sound like this is about tribe, truth of the matter is PL serves all of Harti including warsangeli and dhulbhante, the problem is each tribe of Harti including MJ have paid horgals who have been send over by Qoslaye and his group to destabilize and cause problems in both PL and Khatumo, this is what we are resisting, so when you see Deni dispatching troops to areas within PL's borders then this means he's safeguarding the well-being and interest of Harti, a month or so ago Qoslaye tried to cause trouble in mudug/Gaalkayo through his mole ina Diyaano with troops loyal to him and his family, nevertheless the plan was foiled, now they're trying to do the same stunt in Sanaag.. In short PL is being destalized because we are a torn in the eye of Qoslaye and his corrupt scheme to change the constitution, destroy the upon agreed on federal system and also implement a highly corrupt and rigged one man one vote system that'll grant him indefinite term in the office.. I see nowadays things are being framed like PL is against the formation of Khatumo or being against warsangali self determination etc.. All lies and a smoke screen to frame PL is a spoiler and give Deni all the blame, which only serves the corrupt HSM and his failed adminstration.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

One thing is definitely certain: Dhulbahante were always led by someone else, the history tells us that Ogaden led them (Sayidka), sometimes Marehan led them (Siyaad Barre), and sometimes they were led by Abdullahi Yusuf later they were led by Isaaq for 15 years, NOW Garguurte is leading them, shipping them ammunitions and soldiers to fight PL forces in Sanaag. A cannon fodder ready to be used whenever their master tells them to.

This is all due to Deni's incompetence and his refusal to hold an open shir for all northern Darod to discuss the political future. He refused to build a functioning SSC allied to Puntland, now Culusow will build an SSC allied with Xamar.

Every problem faced by Puntland is caused by Puntland's leadership. Culusow who lost Adan Yabaal is not a threat to Puntland and neither are the emasculated iidoor. Puntland's greatest enemy is its own political class.

 

[Abdisamad]

May I further add, all the Hartis, be MJ's with low iq isolationist ideology slogans such as PL first, the one who make it sound like PL is only for MJ and everyone else is irrelevant, the vile Khatumites who are frequently seing badmouthing PL and booty clapping for Qoslaye and marxuumka, same goes for the warsangeli moles and various traitorous MJ's, they're all swines of the slum, low iq despicable and a danger to Harto unity, safety and prosperity.. We need to stop these people, they're ideals and agendas will only serve the interest of our collective enemy, inlcuding SL who is looking to march all the way to Garowe, down south next door we have Galmudug looking to take mudug, Qoslaye will cause friction and disunity between the Harti forces, once this scheme works out for him and given PL is weakened as a result SL will move to dismantle Khatumo, essentially Khaatumo will fall without the backing and support from their base (PL) in the long run Qoslaye will look to make deals with SL maybe Khatumo as an offering on the negotiation table.. Eventually harti will end up as a ruled minority, one part from Muqdisho and the other from Hargeysa.. Good luck with your low iq squabbles..

 

[Abdisamad]

This is all due to Deni's incompetence and his refusal to hold an open shir for all northern Darod to discuss the political future. He refused to build a functioning SSC allied to Puntland, now Culusow will build an SSC allied with Xamar.

Every problem faced by Puntland is caused by Puntland's leadership. Culusow who lost Adan Yabaal is not a threat to Puntland and neither are the emasculated iidoor. Puntland's greatest enemy is its own political class.

I would agree to this, Deni seems to be extremely incompetent and very low on diplomatic skills, he requires every entity to come crawling to his office, I've never seen him reaching out to his opposition or at least invite for an all inclusive dialogue to discuss the future of PL and the rest of the Harti lands.. Now he's clearly being outsmarted and out maneuvered by Qoslaye, such a shame.. But Denis supporters are like a bunch of blind zealots, when things don't go in their favor that's when they start mimicking the failed strategy of the isolationist northern seccesionists.. They'll never stop for a second to review or adjust strategy, only one highway of narrative and never look to the sides to examine the the surroundings.

 

[Abdisamad]

With the above said, I must count into the factor, I might be biased because I've never been a big fan of Deni..

 

[Midas]

You make it sound like this is about tribe, truth of the matter is PL serves all of Harti including warsangeli and dhulbhante, the problem is each tribe of Harti including MJ have paid horgals who have been send over by Qoslaye and his group to destabilize and cause problems in both PL and Khatumo, this is what we are resisting, so when you see Deni dispatching troops to areas within PL's borders then this means he's safeguarding the well-being and interest of Harti, a month or so ago Qoslaye tried to cause trouble in mudug/Gaalkayo through his mole ina Diyaano with troops loyal to him and his family, nevertheless the plan was foiled, now they're trying to do the same stunt in Sanaag.. In short PL is being destalized because we are a torn in the eye of Qoslaye and his corrupt scheme to change the constitution, destroy the upon agreed on federal system and also implement a highly corrupt and rigged one man one vote system that'll grant him indefinite term in the office.. I see nowadays things are being framed like PL is against the formation of Khatumo or being against warsangali self determination etc.. All lies and a smoke screen to frame PL is a spoiler and give Deni all the blame, which only serves the corrupt HSM and his failed adminstration.

It's obviously not all Deni's fault. In fact I would go so far as to say this path was inevitable. Pre 1990s no region could actually resist the central govt since everything was concentrated in xaamar. But then the war happened and diffrent regions got the opportunity to develop as their own regional states. But as somalia has now developed even more the end result is that naturally more clans will want their own state.

also Federal member states never actually stopped being formed in the 2010s didn't hirshabelle and galmudug come into existence? Its likely after ssc awdal will also eventually become a thing.

 

[Midwestern]

 

[Midas]

So much of the corruption people attribute to somalia should really be understood as a consequence of hsm being an uniquely bad president. I mean as soon as he got into office on his second term he started dismantling the army and began to get rid of the anti-corruption commission. Regardless of whos the next president none of them will ever be as corrupt as hsm is.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

You’re literally describing isaaqland. lol the irony

If I were HSM, that’s exactly what I would’ve done.
But let’s be honest, neither HSM nor other HAGs have that kind of foresight or the capacity to pull it off. The FGS’s recent shift is purely about the upcoming elections and SSC’s MPs. Nothing else.

As for the Dhulos, It’s all about self determination and ending their status as the kashmir of Somalia.
I’ll ask again, why are you against the self determination of western Hartis, yet expect everyone to accept Isaaqland? Is it hypocrisy, arrogance, collective narcissism or all the above?

If SSC gonna ally with anyone, it’ll be PL(assuming the short-sighted mafia in Garowe doesn’t fk it up) and then HAG. For them, Hargysa’s ictraaf is an existential threat.

Come on bro, you’re smarter than that.

You keep applying self-determination when that is term used for sovereign nations (not federal states with in nation) so already you misunderstand what is going on. (Microneisa can exist for example due to international laws etc, how do small federal states become effectively independent. Their independence would be immediate void because they can't put effective pressure on the federal government.)

The existance of small states that netiher have effective political or economic autonomy ends the idea of federalism altogether. So go back to the drawing board.

THis is the goal at the end by drawing all of Somalia towards Mogadishu under AU protection. The rest of the country will be neither independent or economically feasible as stand alone adminstrations once the process is complete which only starts with Khatumo and Maakhir, then it will spread on from there. So that's the HAG end game which obviously they are smart enough to understand their interests and limitations.

 

[Barkhadle1520]

So much of the corruption people attribute to somalia should really be understood as a consequence of hsm being an uniquely bad president. I mean as soon as he got into office on his second term he started dismantling the army and began to get rid of the anti-corruption commission. Regardless of whos the next president none of them will ever be as corrupt as hsm is.

No way he did any of those things that cant be true

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

This is all due to Deni's incompetence and his refusal to hold an open shir for all northern Darod to discuss the political future. He refused to build a functioning SSC allied to Puntland, now Culusow will build an SSC allied with Xamar.

Every problem faced by Puntland is caused by Puntland's leadership. Culusow who lost Adan Yabaal is not a threat to Puntland and neither are the emasculated iidoor. Puntland's greatest enemy is its own political class.

This is why it is clear you are not from Puntland at all, like many already suspect.

Puntland has zero interest in leaving space for Mogadishu effectively opening up an existential front on their west where Somaliland as an independent nation and Puntland as a federal state within Somalia have many overlapping interests.

 

[Abdisamad]

It's obviously not all Deni's fault. In fact I would go so far as to say this path was inevitable. Pre 1990s no region could actually resist the central govt since everything was concentrated in xaamar. But then the war happened and diffrent regions got the opportunity to develop as their own regional states. But as somalia has now developed even more the end result is that naturally more clans will want their own state.

also Federal member states never actually stopped being formed in the 2010s didn't hirshabelle and galmudug come into existence? Its likely after ssc awdal will also eventually become a thing.

Puntland has a well established political system and parliament, sorry I do not follow on southern state formations or politics so don't know much about Hirshabele and the likes, I'm well informed about Jubbaland, but nevertheless, Puntland is not against, we're only resisting against the influence from Qoslaye, you speak or pre 1990, well you cannot compare that period or goverment of pre 1990 with the current administration who depends on foreign forces for survival, I mean why not concentrate on liberating areas occupied by the shabab, keep the constitution and agreed upon framework and once the country is fully liberated and the foreign forces have been send then we can have an all inclusive dialogue on how to move the country forward, we've seen Qoslaye doesn't want to leave office, he's corrupt and he lost many areas in the south to the shabab, beside there's financial issues and doubts about the foreigners African forces in the south.. But he rather want to focus on creating problems and disunity with already stable federal states why?

 

[Midas]

No way he did any of those things that cant be true

Lol im pretty sure you can even Google it or ask anybody on the forum its well known that he began dismantling the army and then decided to reverse course a year or two into his second term. As for the anti-corruption commission i thinks its been about a year now since he finally decided to just compelelty get rid of them.

One of the first things farmajo did when he became president was make sure fhe army got paid which is common sense for anybody else besides hsm.

 

[Midas]

Puntland has a well established political system and parliament, sorry I do not follow on southern state formations or politics so don't know much about Hirshabele and the likes, I'm well informed about Jubbaland, but nevertheless, Puntland is not against, we're only resisting against the influence from Qoslaye, you speak or pre 1990, well you cannot compare that period or goverment of pre 1990 with the current administration who depends on foreign forces for survival, I mean why not concentrate on liberating areas occupied by the shabab, keep the constitution and agreed upon framework and once the country is fully liberated and the foreign forces have been send then we can have an all inclusive dialogue on how to move the country forward, we've seen Qoslaye doesn't want to leave office, he's corrupt and he lost many areas in the south to the shabab, beside there's financial issues and doubts about the foreigners African forces in the south.. But he rather want to focus on creating problems and disunity with already stable federal states why?

I wouldn't say hsm is the one creating this. In fact its only very recently that he even realized this aas an opportunity to strengthen his control.
Its only after i remebred all the federal member states formed in the last 10 years in the south that I realized the lascanood stuff which was downstream of years of marginalization isnt actually an isolated incident. But seems to be part of a large trend in the evolution of somali state formation.

 

[Karim]

This is all due to Deni's incompetence and his refusal to hold an open shir for all northern Darod to discuss the political future. He refused to build a functioning SSC allied to Puntland, now Culusow will build an SSC allied with Xamar.

Every problem faced by Puntland is caused by Puntland's leadership. Culusow who lost Adan Yabaal is not a threat to Puntland and neither are the emasculated iidoor. Puntland's greatest enemy is its own political class.

Deni's incompetence?! Really you'd go that far when you know damn well that Deni has masterfully outmaneuvered and defeated Farmajo, SL and Muse Bihi, Daesh and currently hunting for HSM and his seat, collaborating with Madobe, and other opposition members to oust him from power, possibly forming a parallel gov if HSM becomes obstinate.

SSC Khaatumo will always seek the FGS approval regardless of what PL does, SSC and PL cannot possibly work together with SSC being adamant on taking over Sanaag. I'm sure you wanted Deni to handover Sanaag to SSC and smile, that's the only reason you're insulting him calling him "incompetent". Tell me who has the track record of Deni out of all past presidents of PL?!
The guy has done wonders for the State and he's remarkably resilient considering how most of the intl aid is seized by the FGS. This small time shenanigans in Sanaag will be dealt with by PL forces, and if Dhulos dare attack our forces we'll make sure SL recapture Lasanod. They can't mess with us.

 

[FBIsomalia]