Religion is a curse

[iamcremo]

So much killing and hatred towards each other. Why don’t we live in peace?

 

[Yessirski]

So much killing and hatred towards each other. Why don’t we live in peace?

Not really religions fault most of that happens because of unaligned interests of nation states, ideologies etc

 

[iamcremo]

Not really religions fault most of that happens because of unaligned interests of nation states, ideologies etc

I somewhat agree but sometimes it’s hard to distinguish whether religion is the curse or the people who preach/practice it.

 

[novanova]

I somewhat agree but sometimes it’s hard to distinguish whether religion is the curse or the people who preach/practice it.

People fight over land, power or resources.. they might organize along religious, clan or ethnic lines but the primary motivations are the same. The absence of religion wouldn’t end war

 

[iamcremo]

People fight over land, power or resources.. they might organize along religious, clan or ethnic lines but the primary motivations are the same. The absence of religion wouldn’t end war

you’ve got internal factors (culture, tribalism and etc) and external factors (religion) which caused destabilisation in Somalia. If a random fools reads a passage stating you will get 72 virgins once you are martyred. What do you expect? This is the issue with suicide bombings happening in Mogadishu by Al Shabaab.

 

[FortniteLover]

So much killing and hatred towards each other. Why don’t we live in peace?

You look like a grown man. I'd expect these brain-dead takes from a child, come on.

 

[balanbalis]

People will kill given any excuse, this is coming from an agnostic

 

[iamcremo]

You look like a grown man. I'd expect these brain-dead takes from a child, come on.

bro don’t you agree with me that so many innocent people die because religious conflicts?

 

[FortniteLover]

If a random fools reads a passage stating you will get 72 virgins once you are martyred. What do you expect?

I'd expect them not to do suicide bombings and expect martyrdom. Also, the hadith that you're stating lists around 6 benefits like being forgiven at your first drop of blood, paradise, and avoiding the punishment of the grave, and interceding for seventy relatives. What's up with you pinpointing the seventy beautiful women in paradise? Whats so disgusting about that

 

[FortniteLover]

bro don’t you agree with me that so many innocent people die because religious conflicts?

Can you be a little specific? Are you talking about present day, and whats going on with like Iran and Israel

 

[iamcremo]

I'd expect them not to do suicide bombings and expect martyrdom. Also, the hadith that you're stating lists around 6 benefits like being forgiven at your first drop of blood, paradise, and avoiding the punishment of the grave, and interceding for seventy relatives. What's up with you pinpointing the seventy beautiful women in paradise? Whats so disgusting about that

so what motivates them? Why would someone sacrfice themselves to blow up others?

 

[iamcremo]

Can you be a little specific? Are you talking about present day, and whats going on with like Iran and Israel

look at somalia (al shabaab)
look at Palestine (hamas & Israel)

just to name a few.

Look at how many innocent lives are lost.

 

[FortniteLover]

so what motivates them? Why would someone sacrfice themselves to blow up others?

The Khawarij mainly just kill other muslims. They've deviated from the correct understanding of Islam. They're the first ones to make takfir on other Muslims based on sins, without their right and cause bloodshed among other Muslims

Also, you are referencing suicide bombings, too. These same Muslims read the hadith that says

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Whoever purposely throws himself from a mountain and kills himself, will be in the (Hell) Fire falling down into it and abiding therein perpetually forever; and whoever drinks poison and kills himself with it, he will be carrying his poison in his hand and drinking it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever; and whoever kills himself with an iron weapon, will be carrying that weapon in his hand and stabbing his `Abdomen with it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever."

Their understanding of right and wrong is completely different. They're brainwashed. And those who join fall victim to that same brainwashing, too.

 

[FortniteLover]

look at somalia (al shabaab)
look at Palestine (hamas & Israel)

just to name a few.

Look at how many innocent lives are lost.

You've clearly got an agenda. Bar the Al Aqsa Mosque, the fight between Hamas and Israel is a Political, Historical, and most importantly, a territorial war. I'm guessing you're not Muslim, but if you're gonna apostatize, come with better arguments against Islam.

 

[iamcremo]

The Khawarij mainly just kill other muslims. They've deviated from the correct understanding of Islam. They're the first ones to make takfir on other Muslims based on sins, without their right and cause bloodshed among other Muslims

Also, you are referencing suicide bombings, too. These same Muslims read the hadith that says

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Whoever purposely throws himself from a mountain and kills himself, will be in the (Hell) Fire falling down into it and abiding therein perpetually forever; and whoever drinks poison and kills himself with it, he will be carrying his poison in his hand and drinking it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever; and whoever kills himself with an iron weapon, will be carrying that weapon in his hand and stabbing his `Abdomen with it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever."

Their understanding of right and wrong is completely different. They're brainwashed. And those who join fall victim to that same brainwashing, too.

You've clearly got an agenda. Bar the Al Aqsa Mosque, the fight between Hamas and Israel is a Political, Historical, and most importantly, a territorial war. I'm guessing you're not Muslim, but if you're gonna apostatize, come with better arguments against Islam.

who said Im kafir?

 

[iamcremo]

There is no God other than Allah and Mohamed is the messenger of GOD.

 

[Idilinaa]

Muslim-majority countries often have some of the lowest murder and crime rates globally. Interpersonal violence is generally low, and social cohesion is strong. This is supported by research for example,

Islam and Crime: The Moral Community of Muslims​

Islam and Crime: The Moral Community of Muslims | Journal of Arabic and Islamic Studies

International crime statistics indicate that in Islamic countries crime rates are lower than in other countries. This feature of Islamic countries is most often explained by two factors: a) the relatively low level of development, which has a positive effect on crime rates, and b) the strictness of Islamic penal law. Providing some evidence, this article maintains that the first factor fails to explain properly the difference in the crime rates of Islamic and non-Islamic countries at a similar level of development.

Somalia, despite its challenges, also has relatively low crime and homicide rates.

Sure thing. Both Somalia and Djibouti have low homicide rates

1.8 per 100.000

How this compares with other countries like America

Source: https://www.unodc.org/documents/con..._Statistics/Global_Study_on_Homicide_2011.pdf

Some other stats from the same sources 2 decades ago. It was at 3.0 per 100.000 still low.

Somalia Homicide Rates In 2004

Damn look how low it was intresting more then a decade ago

www.somalispot.com

Somaliland had 107 annual murders and puntland had 58 for a population of 6.2 million and 4.3 million in 2021 recorded by their national police. That's extremely low that's a homicide rate of 1.7 and 1.2 per 100.000.

Somaliland and Puntland Crime Statistics in 2021

Crime Statistics in the 1st 10 months of 2021: Somaliland total cases : 19230 Murders: 89 all but 5 perpetrators apprehended. Rapes: 232 an increase from 142 reported in 2020. abandoned infants: 40 and 25 of them were rescued the remaining 15 died. Puntland Total cases: 9100 serious crimes...

www.somalispot.com

Interpersonal violence is extremely low amongst Somalis. But look at Ethiopia holy cow 25. per 100.000 and Sudan 24.0. Somalia trend similarly to Morocco , Algeria , Tunisia etc basically Northern African countries who are in the same range with.

Muslims tend to score high on measures of social support, which reflects strong community bonds and cooperation.

The violence people often associate with religion like terrorism or wars is usually political or geopolitical in nature. These conflicts are not unique to religious societies, they occur in secular ones as well. So, it’s not religion itself, but how it’s used or manipulated in broader power struggles.

 

[FortniteLover]

who said Im kafir?

I said "I'm guessing you're not a Muslim." I never said you're a kaafir.

Also I do want to let you know that the title of the thread is religion is a curse. You are calling Islam a curse and then are suprised someone suspects ur not muslim. Inshallah let's both of us be softer in our words

 

[iamcremo]

I said "I'm guessing you're not a Muslim." I never said you're a kaafir.

Also I do want to let you know that the title of the thread is religion is a curse. You are calling Islam a curse and then are suprised someone suspects ur not muslim.

im not specifically targeting Islam but also Christianity and Judaism and since the fact that these three religions are contradicting themselves especially The Holy Bible

 

[iamcremo]

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