Lol you speaking like I support any of those warlords. And your old isku dir tactics wont work on me sxb HG were just as much of a victim to those bakhti warlords. I hate Ceydiid because his militia killed alot of my family members since alot of them were reer Bermuda. But it doesnt go beyond that we werent some victims we took our revenge and moved on its the Galgaduud way.
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Lol you speaking like I support any of those warlords. And your old isku dir tactics wont work on me sxb HG were just as much of a victim to those bakhti warlords. I hate Ceydiid because his militia killed alot of my family members since alot of them were reer Bermuda. But it doesnt go beyond that we werent some victims we took our revenge and moved on its the Galgaduud way.
I don't do isku dir I am stating facts. HG controlled Bakaraha, ensuring every trader paid his dues, this is where the economic lifeline was, plus HG itself controlled different areas among themselves but it was usually where the darod and minorities vacated. Salebaan for example controlled hamar wayne where the minorities were overpowered.
Where-as the Darod neighborhoods were in the hands of HG. Abgaal had all north mogadishu and rarely ever came beyond Medina and were caged in. Murusade were in Bermuda. Are u murusade when claiming bermuda? so don't think I am doing isku dir, that is the to old, I want hawiye unity u dumb f*ck, I don't want hawiye isku dir or else we will inherit another 30 year mess as each hawiye forms alliances. You see how stupid u r, you can't even analyze the agenda behind people, u automatically assume isku dir, your mind is shut to 'critical thinking' that's why I say Hawiye need to stay out of power wallahi, it's not good for us or the nation as the 'brain power isn't there' they don't even know who is a friend or enemy and mentally they are 'shut' you can't have a person like that in power where politics is fluid and ever changing while your mind is 'shut'.
Not in 99 when I was there it was most feared suburb by abgaals and hg alike, where there was rumor if anyone walked in, they walked out naked being robbed, that's during daylight. My abti even said to me not to come with him when he visited due to my clan, that's how bad it was. Bermuda is the area known as sigaale
Yeah I know medina is where the green line was between HG and them, u pass saxafi hotel in KM4 which was the best hotel at the time mind u with cable tv lol(yes that was considered a treat). They had lots of skermishes around checkpoints but nothing major like 4 month war tho. Mogadishu was more peaceful with no govt then it is with a govt. I notice they chimp out more when a govt is active like 4 month war, abdillahi yusuf 2004-2009 era, and now shabab era. They are allergic to governance wallahi, in terms of wars it was far less under warlords beyond skermishes but in terms of progress the ppl were living in the dark ages no services, no infrastructure, no work, no basics at home. Only thing u had was food and water and water tasted like shit also u couldnt drink it
Just because xassan jaale and yes that was his nickname, he used to eat at a restaurant near my abti as a kid doesn't mean he owns it, we know who owns it, u didn't own in it in 99, murusade grabbed control of it bro. I know it was in their firm hands and no nigga could go in there who wasn't murusade. f*ck xassan jaale i cant believe the ciyaal xafaad today are in power, more proof xassan jaale elite class are all dead in 4 month war or else that nigga wouldn't even be SPEAKING ON TV if the real abgaal were alive
Unlike Saddam Husain he didn’t control different sects of Islam (Shia vs Sunni.) which makes our situation look even more retarded.
Forgetting the zoômali population for one second. What fault do you place on him? If any?
Murursade own Siigaale and Bermuda.
Xassan Jaalle was a greate president. He almost finished federation process. He lacked on corruption department but he improved alot of things just the way current government is and isnh the future governments will. Why do you hate Jaalle Xassan?
Alla ha u naxaristo. Wax dambi ah uu geysteyna laga dhaafye. Taarikhda baal wacan ayuu ka galey.
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Somaliland supremacy
1.)alienated qabils which lead to qabilism in somalia
2.)chased out all the intellectual in somalia
3.)was a puppet to foreign nations
4.)managed somalia's resources poorly
5.)embarked on a war which drained somalia and lead to no where
6.)cause the death of his own people
7.)e.t.c
he is the cause of the situation the somali people are in today,he was the worst thing to ever happen to somalia,for each somali suffering today because of him,i hope he gets a hot metal rod shoved up his ass in hell
2.)chased out all the intellectual in somalia
3.)was a puppet to foreign nations
4.)managed somalia's resources poorly
5.)embarked on a war which drained somalia and lead to no where
6.)cause the death of his own people
7.)e.t.c
he is the cause of the situation the somali people are in today,he was the worst thing to ever happen to somalia,for each somali suffering today because of him,i hope he gets a hot metal rod shoved up his ass in hell
Siyad Barre was a disgusting ruler no doubt but I agree with @Dues Ex Machete that the rebels were a bunch of retards who didn't think about a greater chaos that's about to come. They only thought about their qabiils interests. SNM and SSDF created Somaliland and Puntland which is peaceful but the USC were causing anarchy and chaos in the south to looting, killing, genocide, famine, starvation and so many other evils. They were braindead retards who didn't even think about building a government in Xamar after Siyad Barre's exile.
Of course he can be faulted for many things but the choices made by the rebels who overthrew him, particularly USC, is why Somalia is a mess. Had they behaved like other rebels groups, like the TPLF in Ethiopia, Somalia would have witnessed a different history. TPLF was so honorable a group that not only did they forbid reprisals, they even paid civil servant salaries in the same month they ousted Mengistu and every month after. The USC, on the other hand, embraced all the hawiye members of Siad Barre's government and made them important leaders of their organization while leading a genocidal campaign against Darood civilians that had nothing to do with him. This is when they were not looting and burning everything. Where these mindless, moralless orcs came from and why we share a country with them, I will never understand
What Hawiye era? After 91 the government collapsed. And we entered an era where Somalis were on war with eachother. A civil war was what you wittnessed in 99. You saw Muqdisho shared by two factions who couldn't out power eachother and they decided on a truce.
It was not like how Abdullahi Yusuf won the war for PL and chased the other faction to boosaaso in your own civil war. Mudulood stood upto to the rest of USC led by Ceydiid (may he burn in hell) and it ended on a truce. What did you expect? For people to live happily ever after on a warzone?
Waryaa you HAG or not?
If so, my young buck, try to avoid the d0oro isku dir tactocs, what Caydiid did is an internal HAG siiba Hiraab affair, and all grievances goes both ways, as the past is the past so lets try to show an Unitary image of HAGnimo.
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Many different perspectives on what made somalia messed up. I happen to agree with your points. Ask an isaaq, it’s siad barre and his faśash supporters, a hawiye same thing. What’s ironic is there both anti darood LOL.
Makes you wonder, how can we all share a county where majority of the people have cuqdad.
Here is a good paper was written on Somalia economy pre-civil war.
Pretty much agrees with your statement.
https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/29136514.pdf
The crazy thing is that Siad Barre had so much power over every inch of Somalia yet he was unable to make real change or progress.
Lowest life expectancy plus lowest rural living standards on Earth.
What is HAG?
Its ''Hawiye Action Group'', its where Hawiyes are awoke to isku dir, they are united like the Turks are united in combating their cadow Kurds.
Whats Caydiid and other Warlords of the past did, is an stain to all Hawiyes so lets reconcile and move toward Unity in Governing Galmudug to all the Way to Jubaland.
