You think he felt a sense of remorse or guilt? Or a true Sociopath who felt nothing destroying his nation. No matter whether you support this man or not, he was a complete failure. I’m still fascinated to know how he felt during his last days. They should make a movie on him.
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The man Siade barre was an full on coward, he should have fought and died for his so called throne, just like Abdulahi Saalax Al-Yemeni and Qaddafi Al-libiyia fought and died for the throne.
Siade barre just like his tol are cowards imps that always flee the moment the gun blazes, here below is an Video of Siade Barres last days in Somalia in his hometown Gedo, Siade barre ran like a coward from his warm food he barely ate the moment he heard the USC Heroes led by HG entered Gedo, he even left his wives and children behind to be taken as captives, its as the Prophet said a Woman nor a Coward should ever lead the Ummah;
Siade barre just like his tol are cowards imps that always flee the moment the gun blazes, here below is an Video of Siade Barres last days in Somalia in his hometown Gedo, Siade barre ran like a coward from his warm food he barely ate the moment he heard the USC Heroes led by HG entered Gedo, he even left his wives and children behind to be taken as captives, its as the Prophet said a Woman nor a Coward should ever lead the Ummah;
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Your a kid who never seen Somalia in it's worst time, I was there as a 15 year old in 99. U have no clue what the warlord era looked like, a pact between hawiye who agreed to no govt after the 4 month war fearing a govt may cause another civil war among them. Their pact meant to keep any govt from ever establishing and every warlord controlling his own turf in the city and forcing businesses extortion money thru the use of militias, setting up checkpoints on roads and extorting fees, same at airports. They made millions this way and reinvested into nairobi property market and some into telecom shares in Somalia.
That was Somalia after the 4 month war of Hawiye. I saw it. Not a single police station, govt, court, the city looked destroyed and every second building had bullet holes or was hit with rockets, no water pipe lines in homes since they ripped it out and sold it in nairobi, each home had to rely on donkey carted water, no lights of any power for appliances, fridges, ovens cuz electricity plant was looted also, they used kerosene lamps and candles at night, you couldnt walk outside your own neighborhood after maghrib for fear if caught by moryans and your not a clans-men u could be killed and no justice will be served. I saw horrific things wallahi @Jablibax you left at 91 but I was forced to go back in 99 to visit my ayeeyo and do dhaqan celis. The people who insult siyad have no clue about Somalia in 91-2004. They think siyad was bad, you would PRAY FOR SIYAD if you knew what happened after he left. It's a shame this sort of people want to run our country not knowing the darkest period in Somali history was 91-2004. It was after abdillahi stormed hamar the darkness slowly start to lift in mogadishu and now they're slowly recovering but it wasn't always like this.
My worst fear in life is Hawiye and Isaaq who have power and are allied, I know what that can bring in the end, something that shocks the world
Agreed. He should have stayed in Somalia and taken whatever came to him. Sleeping in Lagos and dying a coward. Was it worth it?
He successfully did all that he could for his country, but those in opposition to him were lapdogs for the USSR-Backed Mengistu regime that were training and supplying insurgents within Somalia. The opposition had no plans other than to get him out of office and afterwards destroyed each other for the world to marvel at. Causing unimaginable pain and suffering which included looting of all state documents, hospitals, UN food aid compounds, restricting aid to a certain region causing famine, clan-based reprisals etc etc
Now all third world nations are hesitant of following the same path of those clan based rebels and tell themselves, "we don't want to end up like Somalia". I'm sure President Barre was saddened by what became of his nation as they destroyed all institutions because they believed it belonged to him and his clansmen, but in reality it was property of the state., i.e. the people's property.
The events that unfolded after his ouster have done nothing other than vindicate his legacy, which is why when I come across Somalis of all ages and clan backgrounds they always speak well of their lives under his rule. The reality now is that there are many different tribal fiefdoms and a weak federal system that doesn't encompass most of the country. These states and systems all have abysmal budgets and are lagging behind the world in almost all crucial sectors no matter which region you hail from. There are extremist insurgents in the Northeast and southern regions and UN-Backed African Union troops that were first introduced in 2007 when the Ethiopians invaded mogadishu and shelled the city as well.
Now all third world nations are hesitant of following the same path of those clan based rebels and tell themselves, "we don't want to end up like Somalia". I'm sure President Barre was saddened by what became of his nation as they destroyed all institutions because they believed it belonged to him and his clansmen, but in reality it was property of the state., i.e. the people's property.
The events that unfolded after his ouster have done nothing other than vindicate his legacy, which is why when I come across Somalis of all ages and clan backgrounds they always speak well of their lives under his rule. The reality now is that there are many different tribal fiefdoms and a weak federal system that doesn't encompass most of the country. These states and systems all have abysmal budgets and are lagging behind the world in almost all crucial sectors no matter which region you hail from. There are extremist insurgents in the Northeast and southern regions and UN-Backed African Union troops that were first introduced in 2007 when the Ethiopians invaded mogadishu and shelled the city as well.
You guys, I’m not taking about what happened after he left. It was all a failure and a big shxt show. Let’s not point fingers for now though.
I mean, leading up to him leaving. Was their regret on his part on how he handled the country? That’s what fascinates me! Is their an account on his last days? His thoughts? Interviews?
I mean, leading up to him leaving. Was their regret on his part on how he handled the country? That’s what fascinates me! Is their an account on his last days? His thoughts? Interviews?
This was a speech he gave before he left office, which pretty much summed up what would happen if chaos was allowed to expand. Since much of the clan-based rebel groups had weak leadership much of their "soldiers" were picked up from the bush and had resentment towards the city dwelling populace and inflicted much damage to shops, hospitals, schools and anything else because they didn't understand the benefits of such things or what the concept of "statehood" meant. Thus plunging the country into all out anarchy which is a breakdown of order.
Damn he was talking about looting. Niggas were looting homes when he was in office. Smh
Whatever people feel about him, Somalia was much worst after he left. Expecially the south. I still don’t understand why the people of Xamar couldn’t form a government after he left.
Damn he was talking about looting. Niggas were looting homes when he was in office. Smh
Whatever people feel about him, Somalia was much worst after he left. Expecially the south. I still don’t understand why the people of Xamar couldn’t form a government after he left.
See your not bright kid u need things repeated does u teacher repeat stuff to u when u learn, I already told u why they couldn't form a govt. They had civil war for 4 months and they're ceasefire terms included no side can form a govt and therefore it was pact on no govt and to turn warlord and business activity and everyone stay on his side of the green line of the town. You got you answer, why u ask again such a silly question? war waxay ku heeshiyeen inay HARAM SAMAYAN
sxb I just got to reading your 1st answer. I thought at first it was one on those long thesis you write about nothing. Relax
I know why it wasn’t possible but I always ask it because the reasoning behind it is so stupid that I look for different answers to make me feel less “bad” about the whole thing.
This was his last days in nigeria
Nonsense written by detractors.
Siad Barre AUN was a good leader, my family speaks of him in a positive light. They say he hated the ministers and gov officials under him looting the state coffers and he would subsequently call them "saraha booliqaran". But according to them he changed after the car accident he was in mid 80s and his personality became ever more paranoid.
I simply believe we shouldnt be so easy on him. He ruled the country for 21 years. He should've built state instutions independent of his rule and prepare Somalis for multiparty democracy. If he truly loved Somalia those things wouldve been on his agenda. Thats why I'm convinced my parents are brainwashed by kacaan era education they received. And the pictures of him everywhere and the songs they sang for him as children made them thing of him as a leader who couldnt make mistakes. Thats why they blame the failure of the government on the ppl in his inner circle and not him directly.
I simply believe we shouldnt be so easy on him. He ruled the country for 21 years. He should've built state instutions independent of his rule and prepare Somalis for multiparty democracy. If he truly loved Somalia those things wouldve been on his agenda. Thats why I'm convinced my parents are brainwashed by kacaan era education they received. And the pictures of him everywhere and the songs they sang for him as children made them thing of him as a leader who couldnt make mistakes. Thats why they blame the failure of the government on the ppl in his inner circle and not him directly.
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Dude ur parents are right in some things. The whole nation was built by him, even our parents who have something today couldn't have what they have without him. It's like me insulting Australia today but what I have is cause of Australia, even if the leader is racist or hate migrants or had bad policies is irrelevant, you are really nothing at the end of the day if it wasn't for his government.
I can see why your parents adore siyad, my dad does also and I can see it from they're angle. Plus I have seen what hawiye can produce with my own eyes in 99, plus I inherited nothing from hawiye era except destruction, looting, warlord activities, and pacts between warlord no side in mogadishu can form a govt. What sort of people agree to such things not at least comprising or submitting to another clan who care if it means your clan can restart a life and grow and your kids aren't the most failed ppl. What did we inherit from Hawiye? all the diaspora are in jails, criminals, ghetto. Why? cuz hawiye era began, before the hawiye era somalis used to enter countries as students not refugees.
I am of the opinion we need 30 years solid majerten rule and no hawiye in govt, they need to focus on rebuilding an elite base which they lack now, all they have ppl who think opposition to everything is how to get something from the govt
Actually he was more than of failure than most of us could imagine. Just read the reports about Somalia between 1969 and 1991. The early 70's from 1969-73) a few good things was done by the government which had small inpact on the economy.
After 1973 The Kacaan never reached anything major in terms of economy, education, healthcare and Somalia was way behind most African states. Secondly the so called campagain for literacy in Somalia which was successful in first phase was completely destroyed later, because the gov had no ressources or long term strategy for these people. They teached them to read for one year, but most or them forget it later. Somalias economy never had major econimal growth in fact the country became more reliant on livestock and the small industry decreased and in some years we had negative growth rate. The war on Ethopia was a political suicide which damaged the country's small ecomomy, till the inflation rate became unstoppable in the 80's. Somalia was NOT a military super power, but a poor country which became a lot of military aid from other super powers. The few projects during the 21 were NOT built from the country's ressources, but mainly financed and carried out by foreign entities, like major roads were built by China. Nor did he built Berbera it was built by Russia and USA so they could use it for their interest. Despite the many foreign entities operating and donating for Somalia the country was a shithole, except for Xamar, everyone else was not allowed to invest in his tuulo. Another mistake was the miscalculation that a planned instead of liberal economy would be efficient. Also an economical suicide was the debt that Somalia took from foreign institutions and countries, which is a major problem till today. The project to introduce fishing industry for Somalia complelty failed.
There are hundreds of sources from different scholars who wrote reports about Somalia between 1969-1991 and you will find everything i mentioned and more.
After 1973 The Kacaan never reached anything major in terms of economy, education, healthcare and Somalia was way behind most African states. Secondly the so called campagain for literacy in Somalia which was successful in first phase was completely destroyed later, because the gov had no ressources or long term strategy for these people. They teached them to read for one year, but most or them forget it later. Somalias economy never had major econimal growth in fact the country became more reliant on livestock and the small industry decreased and in some years we had negative growth rate. The war on Ethopia was a political suicide which damaged the country's small ecomomy, till the inflation rate became unstoppable in the 80's. Somalia was NOT a military super power, but a poor country which became a lot of military aid from other super powers. The few projects during the 21 were NOT built from the country's ressources, but mainly financed and carried out by foreign entities, like major roads were built by China. Nor did he built Berbera it was built by Russia and USA so they could use it for their interest. Despite the many foreign entities operating and donating for Somalia the country was a shithole, except for Xamar, everyone else was not allowed to invest in his tuulo. Another mistake was the miscalculation that a planned instead of liberal economy would be efficient. Also an economical suicide was the debt that Somalia took from foreign institutions and countries, which is a major problem till today. The project to introduce fishing industry for Somalia complelty failed.
There are hundreds of sources from different scholars who wrote reports about Somalia between 1969-1991 and you will find everything i mentioned and more.
What Hawiye era? After 91 the government collapsed. And we entered an era where Somalis were on war with eachother. A civil war was what you wittnessed in 99. You saw Muqdisho shared by two factions who couldn't out power eachother and they decided on a truce.
It was not like how Abdullahi Yusuf won the war for PL and chased the other faction to boosaaso in your own civil war. Mudulood stood upto to the rest of USC led by Ceydiid (may he burn in hell) and it ended on a truce. What did you expect? For people to live happily ever after on a warzone?
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What Hawiye era? After 91 the government collapsed. And we entered an era where Somalis were on war with eachother. A civil war was what you wittnessed in 99. You saw Muqdisho shared by two factions who couldn't out power eachother and they decided on a truce.
It was not like how Abdullahi Yusuf won the war for PL and chased the other faction to boosaaso in your own civil war. Mudulood stood upto to the rest of USC led by Ceydiid (may he burn in hell) and it ended on a truce. What did you expect? For people to live happily ever after on a warzone?
I kinda of sympathize with Hawiye on that, after the 4 month war which was quite brutal and called 'caga barar' trust me local hawiyes know what I mean, you lost so many civilians but worse the best people among the hawiye were targetted also plus they didn't get the time to flee either. I heard stories they were brought to banadir stadium like 100 a day on both sides, your talking the calibre of elites that all Somalis looked up to and respected. Imagine losing that sort of calibre over 4 month war? So yes I do agree if I hawiye I would sign a truce on no side can form a govt. If that happened in PL, I would scream get the govt away from us, it is only harming us not benefiting us. But what I don't like is how opportunistic your warlords were and that's all of them Qanyare, Qaybdiid, Muse Sudi. U cut up mogadishu into turfs and green lines where each faction ruled it.
U extorted all the businesses in your areas, extorted vehicle for using the roads, extorted even khat planes and passenger planes, u extorted all the international conference funds knowing full well you were never serious about a government in those failed national conferences. I just hated how only a few warlords got rich and made it, while your people lived in a city that was essentially something out of a mad max movie. The whole city looked like it was hit with a nuclear bomb. All essential services in life was unavailable, even a telephone was shared between a whole district like Hodan. I must say HG benefited the most since it was extorting bakaraha tradesmen not abgaals, they liked this deal the most and why they refused abdiqasim salat govt to have a presence in the city.
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