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Jiraan koombe brothers of Harti and Geri koombe.
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They are part of confederation called Warra Humo with Akisho, Sheekhaal, Bursug, Harla and Ogaden.
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The Warra Humo splits into the Warra Bursuk/Bersub and Warra Hiyo. So I am assuming the Jiran are part of Warra Hiyo.
Somali Gursum which is where a lot of Akishos live is not part of the Oromia Zone. However, where the Warra Bursuk and Warra Hiyo live in Fayanbiro Gursum is part of the Oromia Zone. No wonder the Jiran Koombe appear to have disappeared from History, they are still there just under a different tribal confederation in the hybrid Afran Qallo of Hararghe region.
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I can't believe SM has only been DDS president twice when we have a huge presence there. Plus we have the largest district in Jigjiga.
The wara humo have disintegrated, the inhabits of Gursum (dds) all came under this banner except for yaasuf who are a jidwaaq subclan. It's very confusing Gursum is the smallest district land wise but has more qabils then any other district by far. Shekhash,Barsug,Akisho,Harla,Shariif,Karanle,Ogadeen,Jidwaaq,Madigaan,Jiraan,harti,Geri,Gabooye , you can find all of these clans in Gursum.
In short, Warra hummo no longer exists as one , Shekhash and barsug were the heavyweights and they're all just regular somalis who recently learned their clans/qabyaalad
As for Jiraan they are harti koombe, and have a few kebele's in gursum
So these people and their lands (that are a part of oromia) are fully oromo now? Do people know that they are oromo through confederacy and not by blood? Are those that are oromo by confederacy the majority (I heard the Ethiopian government at the time relocated oromos into these areas)? Is there hope for reconciliation between the neighboring tribes? Are more somali lands being succeeded? Sorry for all the questions, but the current state of somalis living in Galbeed sounds very sad and I really want to understand. Does this all bubble down to politics and representation?The 2004 referendum conflict in Shiniile was mainly in the borderlands between Hawiye and Oromo, not Ciise. Land was not really lost as there was mutual displacement hence why you have two ethnically uniform woredas belonging respectively to the Somali and Oromo regions.
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The only Ciise kebeles in Sitti that are outstanding are the ones added to the Afar Zone by Cabdi Iley at the behest of the federal government hence the present conflict.
The area in Southern K5 you highlighted on your map does not correspond to the conflict in Guradhamole as it encompasses territories not adjacent to the Somali Guradhamole woreda. Regarding the Gurre, the conflict between them and the Oromo is in mixed Kebeles. There have always been two Guradhamole areas with each ethnicity forming a majority in their respective woreda but the worsening inter-ethnic relations has resulted in the loss of trust in mixed kebeles. Oromos and Somalis in these mixed kebeles are displacing each other creating mono-ethnic woredas. Somalis being cleansed from the Oromo majority woreda and Oromos being cleansed from the Somali majority woreda. The displacement of this Oromo from Somali majority areas demonstrates this:
Story of Muhamed Husien
Muhamed Husien is one of the IDPs who benefited from the ERM VII IDP response project implemented in Guradamole woreda of Bale zone in partnership with IRC/ECHO during December 02, 2019, to April 02, 2020.ethiopia.lutheranworld.org
Somali majority parts of Moyale were also not added to the Oromo region hence why the Garre are in still in control of the strategic border town resulting in the recent cycle of violence where the Borans tried to reclaim the land.
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The main controversial flash points of the 2004 referendum were in Fafan where a section of the Jaarso and the Babile voted to join the Oromo region due to clan grievances. The Geri did not lose land in this referendum as the Jaarso formed the majority in areas ceded to the Oromos.
Your statement that Dir voted to join Oromia is without merit unless we identify Jaarso as Dir when the reality is that only a section are Dir whilst other sections are Daarood etc. As for the Akisho, they were not really a factor in the elections as where they mainly inhabit was not contested.
Conflict in Babile is not necessarily a Somali against Oromo issue but partly an internal conflict over resources etc. because the Babile section of Afran Qallo are overwhelmingly Somali with Hawiye being the majority. They assimilated centuries ago.
The Jaarso are not a pseudo Oromo clan, they are Afro Qallo from a confederacy perspective. Not that different to the Babile in that they possess both Oromo and Somali speakers whilst also containing a large number of Dir and Daarood Somalis.
Gurgura are not a pseudo Oromo clan and were never adopted into the Afran Qallo confederacy as they retained their own clan identity, Ugaas and Xeer. A section of them only became Oromo speakers because of cohabitation and intermarriage with the Oromo.
If you are asking about Babille and Jaarso. Both clan confederations are part of the Afran Qallo confederacy clan structure. Those among them who voted to join the Oromo region did so due to clan grievances. There is no real Somalinimo in K5 or anywhere else for that matter hence why some members of the above clans voted to join the Oromo region because they felt that the K5 administration was treating them unfairly due to clannism.
Considering they were part of the Afran Qallo confederacy for centuries, it ain't like the Babille and Jaarso became 'Oromo' today. Moreover, Jaarso are not all Somali necessarily. AQ Sub sub subclan names which are Muslim, or Somali, have Somali, Harla, Agrobba, Afar etc. ancestry because the AQ were pagans until relatively recently so the Oromo sub sub subclans in the confederacy would not have had Muslim/Somali names etc..
Somalis in the AQ confederacy will not necessarily know their ancestry unless they hail from certain clans like Barsuug who recently joined the confederacy. The ones who were assimilated centuries ago are probably non the wiser apart from the few that are taught their Abtirsi and historical identity. Even then, you are what you speak, and what culture you identify with. A lot of the 'Oromo' folk you see in Canada and the States are AQ who may have Somali ancestry, and some Oromo speaking Gurguras.
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you are right, Ogadne doe snot expand, after all, all of Ogadeniya is Absame land and rest are marti, Karanly who some guys in here boast about being Hawiye clamed Maalinguur a Reer Cabdulle sub clan, they did not even stand on their own two feet
in 2004 karanle voted to join babile with Marehan and both were sadly asmsiliated
also Ogaden looks down on Oromo and does not marry them or mixes socially with the, Ogaden is very racist by nature, but other Somalis welcome oromo, marry from them, so were asmsiliated
Ogadens has a very very strong culture and looks down on all non Absame people,
in 2018 april cabdi iley picked up the Sutlan of karanly from, babile with helicopter after he was beaten half dead by people he ran to in oromia and assimilated, they raped his daughter, cabdi iley picked them both and brought them to jigjiga for medical
then iley deported 5,000 Oromo from north dira dabada and jigjga by truck loads and killed a few thousand Oromo and even deported many ahmara
let Ogadens rule you and dominate you in Ogadeniya, you will be safer under alaander
Oromo have a culture of burning alive their victims, i have been fighting him for 700 years we Ogaden know, do not mingle with oromo
ONLF said if they win insha Allah they will do referendum for karanle land to come back, since you can do it once every 10 years
no thanks, karanle have cuqdad for OG, let them stay with oromo since Oromo and hawiye are related anyways
i dont want langabs who hate us to come back, let oromo keep them, Ogaden will rule the land, no if and buts insha Allah we will rule it till judgement as a free nation too because it has our name on it
you are right, Ogadne doe snot expand, after all, all of Ogadeniya is Absame land and rest are marti, Karanly who some guys in here boast about being Hawiye clamed Maalinguur a Reer Cabdulle sub clan, they did not even stand on their own two feet
in 2004 karanle voted to join babile with Marehan and both were sadly asmsiliated
also Ogaden looks down on Oromo and does not marry them or mixes socially with the, Ogaden is very racist by nature, but other Somalis welcome oromo, marry from them, so were asmsiliated
Ogadens has a very very strong culture and looks down on all non Absame people,
in 2018 april cabdi iley picked up the Sutlan of karanly from, babile with helicopter after he was beaten half dead by people he ran to in oromia and assimilated, they raped his daughter, cabdi iley picked them both and brought them to jigjiga for medical
then iley deported 5,000 Oromo from north dira dabada and jigjga by truck loads and killed a few thousand Oromo and even deported many ahmara
let Ogadens rule you and dominate you in Ogadeniya, you will be safer under alaander
Oromo have a culture of burning alive their victims, i have been fighting him for 700 years we Ogaden know, do not mingle with oromo
ONLF said if they win insha Allah they will do referendum for karanle land to come back, since you can do it once every 10 years
no thanks, karanle have cuqdad for OG, let them stay with oromo since Oromo and hawiye are related anyways
i dont want langabs who hate us to come back, let oromo keep them, Ogaden will rule the land, no if and buts insha Allah we will rule it till judgement as a free nation too because it has our name on it
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Brother they are not Harti, they are Harti Brothers.
Koombe are 5
Harla Koombe
Geri Koombe
Jiraan Koombe
Harti Koombe
Abdi Koombe
This is basically what happened in Hararghe highlands for a good century of Abyssinian expansionism. The Neftenyha raids and state sanctioned ethnic cleansing in Hararghe Highlands is one of the least studied humanrights abuses.
Things got lot worse after 77 war. If you were Somali you were dead in Ethiopia. The Somali clans of Hararghe were easy targets for the Derg reprecussions since almost all of them are settled farmers. Most had no other option than to claim to be Afran Qallo Oromo, since they were seen more Ethiopian than the invading enemy the Somalis.
Because those ppl aren’t Somalis why would they join Somali region
Why would they join oromo region willingly ?
These somali speaking ethiopians are something else .
You guys even claim Madda walabuThe map posted includes areas the Somali region lost as a result of the Somali-Oromo referendum of 2004.
The map that is recognized by the Ethiopian central government is this:
https://reliefweb.int/map/ethiopia/ethiopia-administrative-map-october-2020
You can see the lands the Somali region lost by comparing the two maps.
Red: Area controlled by Somali region
Green: Area claimed by Somali Region, mostly controlled by Oromia
Blue: Oromia
The green areas are the contested borderlands. Parts of this area like Salaxaad (Ogaden) in Fiiq are in the control of Somali Region.
There have been large loses in Shiniile (Ciise and Hawiye), Guradamoole (Guure Dir), Babile (Hawiye), Jinacsani (Geri Koombe), Gursum (Sheekhaash), Moyaale (Garre) etc...
Many of these Somali clans (Dir, Hawiye & Sheekaash) and Somalized Oromo (Akisho, Jaarso) voted to join the Oromo region in 2004. Most have begun to regret doing so when the Oromo continued to encroach on their land.
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