Reer DDSI how real is this map

[convincation]

https://reliefweb.int/map/ethiopia/ethiopia-administrative-map-somali-region-october-2020

According to this map in 2020 most of the disputed territories are back in Somali hands including the awash, miesso, jinacsani, gursum, babili, moyale etc.

There are still a few towns that oromia still has from us such as chiro and negeyle

The map also shows dir dhabe as part of the Somali region aswell which is why I’m skeptical about it’s reliability.

Reer DDSI come in and confirm the status of these towns and update us on how our people in galbeed are handling the oromo and afar expansions

 

[Gadhwayne]

I think some territories from Oromia have been returned but I dont know about the Cafar occupied areas. But big chunks are missing

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[Dads]

https://reliefweb.int/map/ethiopia/ethiopia-administrative-map-somali-region-october-2020

According to this map in 2020 most of the disputed territories are back in Somali hands including the awash, miesso, jinacsani, gursum, babili, moyale etc.

There are still a few towns that oromia still has from us such as chiro and negeyle

The map also shows dir dhabe as part of the Somali region aswell which is why I’m skeptical about it’s reliability.

Reer DDSI come in and confirm the status of these towns and update us on how our people in galbeed are handling the oromo and afar expansions

There’s a little area where the angels live.

 

[Al-Ma'mun]

I'm shocked it shows the Sacad Muuse Haroreys near Jigjiga as it is our last checkpoint in Ethiopia, it is just one of our farming villages not even a real city tho although that's where my grandfather was born

 

[Removed]

No. Its more similiar to what is claimed on the Somali side of these disputes rather then what is currently under administration.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

The map posted includes areas the Somali region lost as a result of the Somali-Oromo referendum of 2004.

The map that is recognized by the Ethiopian central government is this:
https://reliefweb.int/map/ethiopia/ethiopia-administrative-map-october-2020

You can see the lands the Somali region lost by comparing the two maps.

Red: Area controlled by Somali region
Green: Area claimed by Somali Region, mostly controlled by Oromia
Blue: Oromia

The green areas are the contested borderlands. Parts of this area like Salaxaad (Ogaden) in Fiiq are in the control of Somali Region.

There have been large loses in Shiniile (Ciise and Hawiye), Guradamoole (Guure Dir), Babile (Hawiye), Jinacsani (Geri Koombe), Gursum (Sheekhaash), Moyaale (Garre) etc...

Many of these Somali clans (Dir, Hawiye & Sheekaash) and Somalized Oromo (Akisho, Jaarso) voted to join the Oromo region in 2004. Most have begun to regret doing so when the Oromo continued to encroach on their land.

 

[convincation]

The map posted includes areas the Somali region lost as a result of the Somali-Oromo referendum of 2004.

The map that is recognized by the Ethiopian central government is this:
https://reliefweb.int/map/ethiopia/ethiopia-administrative-map-october-2020

You can see the lands the Somali region lost by comparing the two maps.

Red: Area controlled by Somali region
Green: Area claimed by Somali Region, mostly controlled by Oromia
Blue: Oromia

The green areas are the contested borderlands. Parts of this area like Salaxaad (Ogaden) in Fiiq are in the control of Somali Region.

There have been large loses in Shiniile (Ciise and Hawiye), Guradamoole (Guure Dir), Babile (Hawiye), Jinacsani (Geri Koombe), Gursum (Sheekhaash), Moyaale (Garre) etc...

Many of these Somali clans (Dir, Hawiye & Sheekaash) and Somalized Oromo (Akisho, Jaarso) voted to join the Oromo region in 2004. Most have begun to regret doing so when the Oromo continued to encroach on their land.

Have these clans fully assimilated into oromia or do they intend on rejoining the Somali region in another referendum? Also what about somalis outside the claimed region such as the marehan and mudulood in negeyle or the hawiye of chiro or the ogaden in bale, why is the Somali region not claiming these equally somali territories

 

[cow]

I didn't know how big our lands was but looking at that map it is huge. From the outskirts of gelaadi village to the outskirts of wardheer village all the way to the outskirts of shilaabo village.Then on top of that the whole of dheka suftu district.

 

[Woke1.4rm.Shibis]

The map posted includes areas the Somali region lost as a result of the Somali-Oromo referendum of 2004.

The map that is recognized by the Ethiopian central government is this:
https://reliefweb.int/map/ethiopia/ethiopia-administrative-map-october-2020

You can see the lands the Somali region lost by comparing the two maps.

Red: Area controlled by Somali region
Green: Area claimed by Somali Region, mostly controlled by Oromia
Blue: Oromia

The green areas are the contested borderlands. Parts of this area like Salaxaad (Ogaden) in Fiiq are in the control of Somali Region.

There have been large loses in Shiniile (Ciise and Hawiye), Guradamoole (Guure Dir), Babile (Hawiye), Jinacsani (Geri Koombe), Gursum (Sheekhaash), Moyaale (Garre) etc...

Many of these Somali clans (Dir, Hawiye & Sheekaash) and Somalized Oromo (Akisho, Jaarso) voted to join the Oromo region in 2004. Most have begun to regret doing so when the Oromo continued to encroach on their land.

Why would they join oromo region willingly ?
These somali speaking ethiopians are something else .

 

[GrifterDrifter]

Why would they join oromo region willingly ?
These somali speaking ethiopians are something else .

I read somewhere somalis (issa I think) were killing them.

Personally I think they messed up in the long term. It's gotten to a point where a number of them don't speak somali, and a myth has been concocted where hawiye is the adopted son of an oromo called babile...scary stuff

 

[alien]

i did not know somalis lived up to awash. we lost so much land

 

[Arma]

The map posted includes areas the Somali region lost as a result of the Somali-Oromo referendum of 2004.

The map that is recognized by the Ethiopian central government is this:
https://reliefweb.int/map/ethiopia/ethiopia-administrative-map-october-2020

You can see the lands the Somali region lost by comparing the two maps.

Red: Area controlled by Somali region
Green: Area claimed by Somali Region, mostly controlled by Oromia
Blue: Oromia

The green areas are the contested borderlands. Parts of this area like Salaxaad (Ogaden) in Fiiq are in the control of Somali Region.

There have been large loses in Shiniile (Ciise and Hawiye), Guradamoole (Guure Dir), Babile (Hawiye), Jinacsani (Geri Koombe), Gursum (Sheekhaash), Moyaale (Garre) etc...

Many of these Somali clans (Dir, Hawiye & Sheekaash) and Somalized Oromo (Akisho, Jaarso) voted to join the Oromo region in 2004. Most have begun to regret doing so when the Oromo continued to encroach on their land.

Macsoonkor, I say. All that cuqdad for Ogaden/Darood led them to vote to join Oromos 20 years ago, and today, their getting genocided by those gallo. Made your bed, now lay in it. No sympathy whatsobloodyever, let those gallos, keep up the slaughter, I say.

Enjoy.

 

[Abaq]

The map posted includes areas the Somali region lost as a result of the Somali-Oromo referendum of 2004.

The map that is recognized by the Ethiopian central government is this:
https://reliefweb.int/map/ethiopia/ethiopia-administrative-map-october-2020

You can see the lands the Somali region lost by comparing the two maps.

Red: Area controlled by Somali region
Green: Area claimed by Somali Region, mostly controlled by Oromia
Blue: Oromia

The green areas are the contested borderlands. Parts of this area like Salaxaad (Ogaden) in Fiiq are in the control of Somali Region.

There have been large loses in Shiniile (Ciise and Hawiye), Guradamoole (Guure Dir), Babile (Hawiye), Jinacsani (Geri Koombe), Gursum (Sheekhaash), Moyaale (Garre) etc...

Many of these Somali clans (Dir, Hawiye & Sheekaash) and Somalized Oromo (Akisho, Jaarso) voted to join the Oromo region in 2004. Most have begun to regret doing so when the Oromo continued to encroach on their land.

They did it to spite Ogaden but who's laughing now?

 

[convincation]

Macsoonkor, I say. All that cuqdad for Ogaden/Darood led them to vote to join Oromos 20 years ago, and today, their getting genocided by those gallo. Made your bed, now lay in it. No sympathy whatsobloodyever, let those gallos, keep up the slaughter, I say.

Enjoy.

They did it to spite Ogaden but who's laughing now?

Why should one expansionist ethnic group be chosen over another? To these clans ogaden were just as evil as the galla if not worse

Cant speak for the others but my reer abti the laandhere karanle have reconciled with their oromo neighbours and although there were casualties on both sides, today babile is thriving as a Somali enclave in the middle of the horde on sheer xoog and gumeysi diid for both the expanding oromos and ogadens.

Karanle and the rest of these border clans are the reason Jijiga Is still Somali. You oughta pay them some respect

 

[World]

These clans that voted to join the Oromo regions out of qabyaalad no longer even speak somali and are minorities in their towns. Theyve been cleansed and replaced. Wallahi you reap what you sow.

 

[World]

Why should one expansionist ethnic group be chosen over another? To these clans ogaden were just as evil as the galla if not worse

Cant speak for the others but my reer abti the laandhere karanle have reconciled with their oromo neighbours and although there were casualties on both sides, today babile is thriving as a Somali enclave in the middle of the horde on sheer xoog and gumeysi diid for both the expanding oromos and ogadens.

Karanle and the rest of these border clans are the reason Jijiga Is still Somali. You oughta pay them some respect

Stop lying, the reason they chose to join the Oromo region is not because of ogaden expansionism. They joined because they didn’t want to be ruled by them.

They decided that they would rather abandon the Somali language, speak Oromo, join an Oromo clan, and eventually be ethnically cleansed by Oromos, over a fellow Somali ruling them and giving them their rights like the numerous other Somali clans.

Your reer abti are oromos now. Nothing wrong with that, many oromos used to be non darod somalis.

 

[convincation]

Stop lying, the reason they chose to join the Oromo region is not because of ogaden expansionism. They joined because they didn’t want to be ruled by them.

They decided that they would rather abandon the Somali language, speak Oromo, join an Oromo clan, and eventually be ethnically cleansed by Oromos, over a fellow Somali ruling them and giving them their rights like the numerous other Somali clans.

Your reer abti are oromos now. Nothing wrong with that, many oromos used to be non darod somalis.

Somali region and Oromo region are just two states in the same country, it’s all politics. Same way certain members of your clan chose SL over their blood brothers in PL. They gained more from being in oromia whom recognised their sovereignty over their own land than the Somali region which was becoming an Ogaden ethnostate at that point.

No one abandoned the Somali language, Only the karanle deep in oromia speak oromo the ones from babile are occasionally bilingual and the ones between babile and jigjiga (where most reside) don’t speak a word of afaan galla and own a neighbourhood in jigjiga. They don’t even intermarry with oromos they just share land.

Stop comparing karanle with the actual pseudo oromo clans like jarso, gurgura, balcad absame etc, they aren’t the same.

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[Thegoodshepherd]

Why should one expansionist ethnic group be chosen over another? To these clans ogaden were just as evil as the galla if not worse

Cant speak for the others but my reer abti the laandhere karanle have reconciled with their oromo neighbours and although there were casualties on both sides, today babile is thriving as a Somali enclave in the middle of the horde on sheer xoog and gumeysi diid for both the expanding oromos and ogadens.

Karanle and the rest of these border clans are the reason Jijiga Is still Somali. You oughta pay them some respect

The Ogaden were not trying to expand against them, that is not why they left the Somali Region. They left because they had become divided internally with some of the clan identifying as Oromo and some claiming to be Somali. The Oromo moved into towns like Babile between 1991 and 2004 and the Hawiye did nothing to stop it. By the time the referendum was held, the half of the tribe that claimed to be Oromo along with the new Oromo migrants were larger in population than the Somali portion. This played out all along the border with Oromia.

Babile today is an Oromo city, Afran Qallo probably outnumber the Hawiye in the woreda, only ~11% of the population identifies as Somali. It is gone for good. The Hawiye will be assimilated fully in a couple of decades.

Ironically, many of Hawiye who identified as Somali are migrated as IDPs to Ogaden areas like Fiiq.

 

[convincation]

The Ogaden were not trying to expand against them, that is not why they left the Somali Region. They left because they had become divided internally with some of the clan identifying as Oromo and some claiming to be Somali. The Oromo moved into towns like Babile between 1991 and 2004 and the Hawiye did nothing to stop it. By the time the referendum was held, the half of the tribe that claimed to be Oromo along with the new Oromo migrants were larger in population than the Somali portion. This played out all along the border with Oromia.

Babile today is an Oromo city, Afran Qallo probably outnumber the Hawiye in the woreda, only ~11% of the population identifies as Somali. It is gone for good. The Hawiye will be assimilated fully in a couple of decades.

Ironically, many of Hawiye who identified as Somali are migrated as IDPs to Ogaden areas like Fiiq.

You pretend to be educated but in reality you don’t know shit. The afran qallo “oromos” (which itself is a multiethnic fluid confederacy) you speak of in babile do not have a clan and are a collection of bilingual peoples who identify as “babile afran qallo”. Their largest subclans include the “karanle” and the “gugundhabe”, what about that tells you they are oromos? Pretty much all the clans that have settled down in the region speak afaan oromo. If speaking oromo made you an oromo then the thousands of jidwaq clans between jigjiga and harar would also be Oromo. There are real oromos in babile who recently expanded but the town was never and will not ever be non hawiye, no matter how hard the jebertis pray for it.

 

[World]

You have to admire the Oromo ethnicity, 500 years ago the clans that were part of Ahmed Gurey’s conquest of Ethiopia were mentioned as Somali, Richard Burton mentioned these clans as Somali 150 years ago. Then we converted the Oromos to Islam and instead of them becoming Somali and adopting our language as we taught them Islam, they instead assimilated and integrated Somalis into their clan and continuing their expansion by assimilating all the langaabs on the border. If we were more egalitarian, most of Eastern Oromo would be Somali. Siad Barre had the wisdom to label them Somali Abo and they wanted to join Somaliweyn.