Random Puntland politics discussions

[DR OSMAN]

but we don’t use or harvest our land to it’s maximum GDP
out of the 2 billion USD we probably only make 450 million USD which is also shrinked more by the corruption of our federal states

It's actually a-lot larger then $2 billion which is probably PL itself. Since 40% of the economy is livestock and PL services PL/Eastern SL/Makhir/Khatumo/GM/Hiiran, that's livestock market of 99% of Somalia proper bar 'ogadeniya' that goes thru Berbera. We own easily 95% of $2.8 billion livestock sector so that's close to $2.6 million.

Note down also 9 million market we service thru imports at Bosaso which is 60% of the nation's population including all PL/GM/Hiran/Eastern SL/Makhir/Khatumo as we control all products/goods/materials for the service/industry sectors of that 9 million market. The current GDP ratio for services/industry is 40% of total GDP which is another $2.8 billion, we own $1.6 billion from it for our market coverage.

$2.6 billion for livestocks
$1.6 billion thru imports for the PL Service/Industry markets and it's extended Somalia 'Service/Industry market'.
Add another cool $150 million for our Fishermen GDP
JL is our 'separate' economic zone in the south also with 15% of the southern GDP

What's funny even within Hamar $700 million services/industries, we taking a massive slice with our blue star electricity industry and amal bank a big player in two market sectors, so we got our hand in that mogadishu 'pie' also not to the same extent like prior to the 90's but we still top DAWG since we in 'two sectors' already electricity-finances while we got our own GDP in PL and JL separate to ourselves. Nigga no joke 85% of Somalia national wealth is circulating in PL n JL, I already worked it out and hawiye/isaaq are sharing like 15% and even that is split with MJ having some big ass profiles in hargeisa hotel game where our investment in royal hotel is worth every isaaq hotel in somaliland combined since it sits on 2 kilometers of land of buildings after buildings kkkkk and our mogadishu we in the right areas but need to expand into taking down Hormuud which is the only thing hawiye have besides those mogadishu importers at the port servicing this $700 million market which needs to be locked down to JL 'market coverage' expansion.

Majerten are simply brutal even @Farjano-Walad has stepped down and kissed the ring cause any economist who understands GDP and national wealth knows the PL n JL corridor have literally 85% of the rural/urban market and products on lock down.

Majerten is simply like this with 85% of 7 billion in his hands and that 15% his also eating half that shit and wants more kkkk

 

[Medellin]

See:

More and more reasons piling up for Somalia to go cashless. Aren’t most payments done through the phone anyway? If Somalia went cashless tax collecting and tracking down al shabaab’s extortion payments/investments would be effortless. I need some analysis from @DR OSMAN on this one.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Passenger @hawa-ali u can fool yourself but not the GDP facts and where the products r cause that is only way to make 'money' u need 'products' and PL market profile is 9 million worth of products/goods/livestock, we own 60% just ourselves in PL, not including JL portion either. War tiina hamar iyo hargeisa ayaadan lahayn gebigeeda kkkkk even that 15% is split

Here comes the money Mr Majerten the wolf pack the bad boys of somalia when u look at GDP and understand 'product' means money nothing else u will learn the PL/JL market is MASSIVE in comparison to hargeisa n mogadishu

 

[l8mali]

More and more reasons piling up for Somalia to go cashless. Aren’t most payments done through the phone anyway? If Somalia went cashless tax collecting and tracking down al shabaab’s extortion payments/investments would be effortless. I need some analysis from @DR OSMAN on this one.

is he working on it?

 

[DR OSMAN]

@hawa-ali @Passenger you hawiye/isaaq are talking 15% of the economy and even that's not all yours and shared with Majerten a big player, wolfpack level. Forget that 85% in PL/JL corridor, war taada ayaa loo fadhiya oo aadan lahayn gebigeeda

 

[l8mali]

@Passenger @hawa-ali u can fool yourself but not the GDP facts and where the products r cause that is only way to make 'money' u need 'products' and PL market profile is 9 million worth of products/goods/livestock, we own 60% just ourselves in PL, not including JL portion either. War tiina hamar iyo hargeisa ayaadan lahayn gebigeeda kkkkk even that 15% is split

Here comes the money Mr Majerten the wolf pack the bad boys of somalia when u look at GDP and understand 'product' means money nothing else u will learn the PL/JL market is MASSIVE in comparison to hargeisa n mogadishu

hawiye are mostly farmers tbh
most of that 15% is probably isaaq

 

[l8mali]

@DR OSMAN can u do an economical analysis on Ogaden as a area

 

[DR OSMAN]

@l8mali don't worry about passenger as he scared as f*ck that 'garacad' is taking his lifeline 'ogaden livestocks' which it will thru the new 'trade corridor' in turdibi galdogob, once that is locked.

We got largest hotel in Hargeisa 'royal palace' that shit when I valued it is all isaaq hotels combined value cause Isaaq hotels are not sitting on 2 kilometers of land. Plus Amal is a big player in SL also. Hamar we got blue sky electricity plus amal. Only hormuud is out of our hands there with it's small south-central coverage and the port. We will push out jimcaale and hormuud like we did barakat and took over with amal/iftin which even leelkase tawakal eating from.

Then finally we pushing out abgaal at the port and saying 'sorry bruv' go back to riding that 'dameer'. We locked down 'berbera' port from livestock, all it will have is that measly import game for hargeisa. Majertens are like the wolfpacks @hawa-ali is like this 85% is mj hands by himself in pl/jl market share and even that 15% in hawiye/isaaq hands he wants 10% share with 5% between irir gang.

This makes Hawa impressed and does her where is the money pose

 

[l8mali]

It’s farmajo and the evil hawiyes that caused the inflation.
on a serious note, SL has the same problem too. Idk why they don’t just stick to USD instead of printing worthless paper.

no I think 1 usd is like 5k shillings not too bad at least better than Zimbabwe which is a recognized country

 

[Farjano-Walad]

Karkaar police forces intercepted 1 Billion SH that was headed to Bosaso to cause inflation.
Nabar & Naxdin at their usual antics again.

Hitler had planed to Print billions of pound sterling in WW2 and planed to flood them to England to cause inflation, the CIA used to have a massive inflation program to ruin nations that refused to listen to their demands - this is considered warfare amongst economists

in ancient and old times they would use bronze cover to make copper look like gold coins and flood it in the market, in fact Mameluke rulers did this in Egypt in 1300s

inflation with fiat money is as old as history

Adolf Hitler's plan to collapse British economy exposed

ADOLF HITLER had a plan to collapse the British economy in what one Bank of England official dubbed the "most dangerous" plot ever foiled during the war.

www.express.co.uk

 

[DR OSMAN]

no I think 1 usd is like 5k shillings not too bad at least better than Zimbabwe which is a recognized country

Money not linked to products-good-services is simply 'inflation', money is only 'measure' bro not a commodity itself besides 'exchange' but it's value is purely derived from the products-goods that backs it which can then be measured against gold or usd. The products/goods/service industry are linked to imports or exports in the case of livestock/fishery. PL market share is 30% on it's own, but it's eating into GM/HIRAN/WARDER/BURCO/ERIGAVO which is another 30% extended 'coverage' giving us in total 60% of the GDP yearly.

Buildings in a city are 'GDP' but it's minimal in comparison to the 'livestock n trader import' game. Real-Estate itself would be 'service' with most of it's 'materials' also linked to the port of bosaso well for 60% of Somalia construction anyways. PL is eating well trust me, mismangement of a shocking 'order' is going in with no auditing of how we have $300 million budget when our true GDP is 60% of Somalia market place of $4.2 billion and hence our budget is truly $600 millin but it's unreported so it's probably siphoned away.

The PL govt is very tricky in our GDP calculation only accounting for PL economy of makhir/khatumo/north-east component which is 30% of Somalia GDP at $2.1 billion dollars with most of that 'livestock' being 60% of it and 40% industries/services.

Our industries/services is only $800 million with $1.2 billion being livestocks and some component for 'fishery' exports. They only present this un-true 'fact' as another 30% peripheral areas depend on Bosaso port such as hiran-gm-warder-burco-erigavo which boosts us another 30% share of the Somalia GDP with an over-all 60% share of the nations GDP where-as they only report 30% untruthfully maybe so they can 'loot' that shit on the side since only PL trade is recognized as the only 'market' someone should call them out on that in PL and say where is half the god damn GDP gone from our peripheries? noone will tho

 

[TabK]

A very interesting report on links between Puntland and the Iranian regime Houthi arms traffickers. Some of the highlights include:

- Puntland's Ministry of Fisheries and MArine Transport licensed 28 Iranian fishing vessels! These Iranian vessels typically congregate near the town of Caluula, the same waters where the transshipment of arms to Somalia is believed to take place:

- Al Hayashi (also known as Al Baydani) who was listed by US OFAC as Specially Designated Global Terrorist has received US$1.2 million primarily from Puntland-based arms importer Abdirahman "Dhofaye":

Full report:

https://globalinitiative.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Snapping-back-against-Iran-The-case-of-the-Al-Bari-2-and-the-UN-arms-embargo_GITOC.pdf

Puntland region is sleep-walking into being designated a sponsor of international terrorism. This is very alarming.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Australia GDP govt revenues is 25% of GDP

Total Australian Government revenue in 2018–19 was $493.3 billion (25.3 per cent of GDP

PL revenues $300 million from a $4.2 billion GDP which includes our 'extended peripheries' makes it a mere 7% of GDP, I say boost that shit up to 20% of our real GDP is what I say and make the budget $850 million, stop siphoning away GM/HIRAN/BURCO/ERIGAVO taxes and reporting only makhir/khatumo/north east market of $2.1 billion and then claiming a 15% tax rate on the reported market revenue while not reporting another 30% of Somalia markets use Bosaso port, where does that shit go?

All puntites should be like this right now that only 50% of the real revenue of PL is being reported yearly with 50% siphoned away.

Their reporting only a $2.1 billion a year worth of products/goods/services while siphoning away burco/erigavo/gm/hiran/warder shit under the table as un-reported earnings and that's going into lining pockets

 

[DR OSMAN]

A very interesting report on links between Puntland and the Iranian regime Houthi arms traffickers. Some of the highlights include:

- Puntland's Ministry of Fisheries and MArine Transport licensed 28 Iranian fishing vessels! These Iranian vessels typically congregate near the town of Caluula, the same waters where the transshipment of arms to Somalia is believed to take place:

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- Al Hayashi (also known as Al Baydani) who was listed by US OFAC as Specially Designated Global Terrorist has received US$1.2 million primarily from Puntland-based arms importer Abdirahman "Dhofaye":

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Full report:

https://globalinitiative.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Snapping-back-against-Iran-The-case-of-the-Al-Bari-2-and-the-UN-arms-embargo_GITOC.pdf

Puntland region is sleep-walking into being designated a sponsor of international terrorism. This is very alarming.

I've suspected this many times and have presentd many articles about it before kiddo. PL is trying to make cheese from the 'southern' shababis to keep the south lock down since 20% of PL periphery trade is linked to GM with population of $1.6 million and Hiran a population of 1 million, that's 2.6 million people imports/exports that would disappear from PL un-reported periphery trade with Burco-Erigavo included, only PL makhir-khatumo-north east are documented for 'taxations' and our economic GDP only includes PL so their basing their revenues from that $2.1 billion market while undisclosing the other $2.1 billion we get from GM/HIRAN/WARDER/BURCO/ERIGAVO which I suspect goes into lining pockets.

$100 million dollars is all PL collects in revenues from it's disclosed GDP of $2.1 billion for only PL markets. That's less then 5% on our official GDP where most countries it's 25% of GDP. Not to mention the undisclosed trade with 2.6 million market in hiran/gm and another 1 million market in burco/erigavo. Where is that 3.6 million people's trade, I doubt they even report it into the revenue account and only add PL trade component while the other trade goes to line pockets. I am certain PL doesn't want to lose GM/Hiran trade and therefore has found a way to arms smuggle and make cheese from the 'war economy' while ensuring that mogadishu to hiran corridor is to dangerous to travel which makes Bosaso port the only operator. I think PL fears a mogadishu port eating away into it's market segment in GM/Hiran and decided to go to bed with international terrorist not 'officially' but thru their 'shady' characters in the state.

A Mogadishu port having access to GM/Hiran cud potentially end our periphery trade or at least cripple it with competition plus it also gives Hobyo a chance to build a port since it can dock down the equipments at mogadishu and transfer it to GM thru the mogadishu highway which would be seriously unwelcomed in PL as now they have no way of getting a port since the equipments must be docked down thru bosaso and that ain't happening after garacad was given the green-light to hurry up and finish the port and take 'DDSI' market and cripple Berbera livestock trade while crippling Hobyo chance of ever having a port as it would be deemed 'unfeasable' with garacad port already active by any investors.

 

[Bernie Madoff]

It’s farmajo and the evil hawiyes that caused the inflation.
on a serious note, SL has the same problem too. Idk why they don’t just stick to USD instead of printing worthless paper.

Idk why you just make shit up you goof.

"The depreciation against the USD was much more significant in northeast regions (44%) due to continued and widespread circulation of locally printed SoSh currency notes in recent years in these markets."

44%



“Buh buhhhhh farmaajoooo”

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Gucci mane u damn fool, currency manipulation is a far more easier inflation to manage since it only requires adjusting the dollar to the shilling on product value. If pack of cigarette cost $2 dollars then the shilling adjusts.

Besides the shilling is only used in 'low cost trade items below $5' in the market, the rest is dollarized as I doubt anyone wants to carry large bulks of shilling. The port stopped taking shilling Somalia which is the problem which led to down fall of shilling supply cuz traders go to the Bank of PL is what I assume and trade in their dollars for shillings to 'exchange' and since the bank is empty of shilling or low it has adjusted for the shortage.

But this is merely a currency issue not land to production valuation issue like hargeisa or mogadishu where you have land priced 100 times the value of your market trade, only 'garowe' has this symptom in PL where it's land is outpriced into inflationary levels not production levels of the town and mogadishu and hargeisa are even worse where land should be $150 dollars per plot based on your market and is simply expensive due to the population not changes in wealth, that's 'run away inflation of the worst order' where u pricing land above what you produce in your towns since the land has to be based on market production value to develop a base 'market rate' from which supply/demand comes later, where-as your land prices in hargeisa n mogdishu are linked to simply population boom not 'wealth' change, I don't see your futo talking about why you pricing shit in your town beyond your yearly production value that can be sub-divided into yearly/monthly/weekly/daily nacas yahow

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Gucci mane I hope you choke on this like @hawa-ali did

$4.2 billion GDP inside PL trade corridor waryaa. $2.1 billion is PL proper and $2.1 billion is GM/HIRAN/EASTERN SL/WARDER component. JL is $1 billion GDP for it's 15% share in gedo-jubbayoinka which is again Majerten 'southern trade corridor'.

Garacad and Galdogob are becoming the central corridor for the rest of DDSI outside warder and ensuring you go into a coma in berbera. I own amal bank/iftin in money transfer game nation wide plus blue sky electricity in the $1 billion market of Mogadishu which is $700 million in services/industry and 30% veggies/fruit, I have my hand in the industry n services sector.

Nigga your talking nearly $6 billion in Majerten hand alone in our nation wide profile if u include jl/pl and our shares in mogadishu n hargeisa services/industry. You n Hawiye sharing $1 billion iyo xitaa taasi kuma ogolo as garacad is coming for your portion of 1 billion and we knocking out jimcaale hormuud like we did barakat to close this market for 95% share of Majerten and 5% somalis.

 

[DR OSMAN]

 

[DR OSMAN]

Bosaso looking great as usual. This city I think has become 2nd biggest, there is literally no 'open' space besides the road, all the 'neighborhoods' are jam-packed with not much in between them, where-as in Mogadishu 45 SQ KM is pure open space and that' just calculating lane-ways and not the roads or other open areas. Hargeisa is even worse with open space. I urge u guys one day just go into one of their lane-ways in hargeisa n mogadishu and measure the 'width' of open land between properties n u will see what this means, it means for every house there is 'huge lane' of open-ness which u need to equate into the whole 'city' area sq and deduct it to get the true area sq of just 'houses' and not it's huge open space

 

[Mr.Haggis]

I have been there 3 times. Beautiful city indeed!