Qaabka Somalia loo jarjaray - Hadal muhiim ah

[The_Cosmos]

They conquered and invaded each other and so the term 'united' is a loos term. Somali clans are infamous for fighting each other throughout the centuries.

The very thought of a unified nation never crossed the minds of Somalis until after colonialism.

Somalis are better off like Yugoslavia where each clan rules its own nation. Even Somaliland has issues subduing the Dulbahante in the east.

 

[Galaeri]

They conquered and invaded each other and so the term 'united' is a loos term. Somali clans are infamous for fighting each other throughout the centuries.

The very thought of a unified nation never crossed the minds of Somalis until after colonialism.

Somalis are better off like Yugoslavia where each clan rules its own nation. Even Somaliland has issues subduing the Dulbahante in the east.

I think we can should federal states. We can still be nation. The dhulbahante Somaliand issue is only going to escalate because Dhulbahante are pro Somalia. If Somaliand were to get independence (unlikely) Shit would hit the fan. Maybe we can integrate better in the future. Maybe the next generation will appreciate unity.

 

[The_Cosmos]

I think we can should federal states. We can still be nation. The dhulbahante Somaliand issue is only going to escalate because Dhulbahante are pro Somalia. If Somaliand were to get independence (unlikely) Shit would hit the fan. Maybe we can integrate better in the future. Maybe the next generation will appreciate unity.

Well, they've been having negotiations with Somaliland and it seemed to be hopeful. Somaliland is going at it with the right approach. Plus, there are many Dulbahantes in Hargeisa doing great things.

Unity can only come through the incoming generations. I don't even understand this call for unity. Trade and cooperation is better.

 

[-Gantaal-]

By the way, where is the shillka 6?

The soon to be created Killilka 6?

In this particular story it is Somaliland.
They're willing and see Ethiopia as their brothers.

 

[Galaeri]

The dhulbahate civilians need to decide what they want to be. I understand that they despise SL and dislike PL. If they wanted to they could make their Federal State with the Warsangeli. The Khaatumo President is disliked generally. People see him as working for his own benefit, a real somali problem. SL could easily make a business relationship and that would be better than claiming their territories. Dhulbahantes and Isaaqs should get along since they marry each other so much. And SL has been good for welcoming Dhulbahantes. If they are smart they can take all the talented ones lol.

 

[Galaeri]

The soon to be created Killilka 6?

In this particular story it is Somaliland.
They're willing and see Ethiopia as their brothers.

They are especially pro Ethiopia. But let's be honest. All Somali maamuls are lackeys for them. It's sad because Their influence could be removed so easily but nobody seems interested.

 

[The_Cosmos]

The dhulbahate civilians need to decide what they want to be. I understand that they despise SL and dislike PL. If they wanted to they could make their Federal State with the Warsangeli. The Khaatumo President is disliked generally. People see him as working for his own benefit, a real somali problem. SL could easily make a business relationship and that would be better than claiming their territories. Dhulbahantes and Isaaqs should get along since they marry each other so much. And SL has been good for welcoming Dhulbahantes. If they are smart they can take all the talented ones lol.

To be honest, in my eyes, a unity is dead. No nation that fights for 3 decades over a mixture of tribal and religious extremism is going to come out a united nation. Nomads are good at fighting but not building nations.

 

[merka]

The dhulbahate civilians need to decide what they want to be. I understand that they despise SL and dislike PL. If they wanted to they could make their Federal State with the Warsangeli. The Khaatumo President is disliked generally. People see him as working for his own benefit, a real somali problem. SL could easily make a business relationship and that would be better than claiming their territories. Dhulbahantes and Isaaqs should get along since they marry each other so much. And SL has been good for welcoming Dhulbahantes. If they are smart they can take all the talented ones lol.

Khatumo and SL will be having reconciliation talks next week. Galaydh will most likely join one of the political parties for the elections in 2017.

They already gave up on Somalia since they didn't come to their aid when SL regained authority. Even right now Somalia isn't helping them with the severe drought going on. It's the Republic of Somaliland that is sending aid.

 

[Galaeri]

To be honest, in my eyes, a unity is dead. No nation that fights for 3 decades over a mixture of tribal and religious extremism is going to come out a united nation. Nomads are good at fighting but not building nations.

The groups that are causing the violence are the same. Galmudug is the only violent maamul and all terrorist groups are created by and serve HG interests. They are the warlords that Mogadishu too. Goobale and indhacade and all the war criminals that are running with impunity are HG. All other tribes are ready for reconciliation. Hawadles, Abgaals and murusades don't fight anybody for their clan interests. They past that phase many years ago. Sometimes they help galmudug but they don't like HGs much. Everybody other than HG are ready for reconciliation. HG are still busy trying to establish a themselves as a power since they have been denied presidency and dethroned from Mog.

 

[The_Cosmos]

Khatumo and SL will be having reconciliation talks next week. Galaydh will most likely join one of the political parties for the elections in 2017.

They already gave up on Somalia since they didn't come to their aid when SL regained authority. Even right now Somalia isn't helping them with the severe drought going on. It's the Republic of Somaliland that is sending aid.

If I'm not mistaken, Puntland also told them to join their authority or piss off.

 

[-Gantaal-]

They are especially pro Ethiopia. But let's be honest. All Somali maamuls are lackeys for them. It's sad because Their influence could be removed so easily but nobody seems interested.

I totally agree, but I was talking about this particular story.

 

[merka]

If I'm not mistaken, Puntland also told them to join their authority or piss off.

Yeah I can't blame them for not wanting to join a MJ dictatorship

 

[Galaeri]

If I'm not mistaken, Puntland also told them to join their authority or piss off.

PL still claims their territories. All Harri lands. They even pay their chiefs the same way sl does. Right now taleex and buhodle are pl strongholds.

 

[Galaeri]

I don't have any prejudices against SL so you can try keep it civil.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

I can't see how Isaac can ever join with any Harti tribe, cause the animosity that they harbour for siad barre regime made them despise anyone from his tribe Darood. On one hand they're screaming faqash & on the other they say our brothers from waqooyi dhulbhante & warsengeli, that's not going to wash, Isaac joining with Harti is something that will never happen cause Isaac bare too much resentment towards darood.

Hawiye bare too much enmity towards darood in particular MJ, as we speak most parts of hawiye territory is occupied by al shabaab yet they're in a war with puntland that's been the only pillar standing for Somalia, they're hell bent on revenge, yet it was them that raped, pillaged Somalis in their own capital city Mogadishu & till this day squandering the wealth of the Somali people in general in the form of international aid.

The only remedy for our illness is the divine laws of Allah the shariah.

 

[waraabe]

The dhulbahate civilians need to decide what they want to be. I understand that they despise SL and dislike PL. If they wanted to they could make their Federal State with the Warsangeli. The Khaatumo President is disliked generally. People see him as working for his own benefit, a real somali problem. SL could easily make a business relationship and that would be better than claiming their territories. Dhulbahantes and Isaaqs should get along since they marry each other so much. And SL has been good for welcoming Dhulbahantes. If they are smart they can take all the talented ones lol.

Isaaaq and dhulo don't marry, only few sub clans of hy and hj come in contact with darods

 

[Galaeri]

I can't see how Isaac can ever join with any Harti tribe, cause the animosity that they harbour for siad barre regime made them despise anyone from his tribe Darood. On one hand they're screaming faqash & on the other they say our brothers from waqooyi dhulbhante & warsengeli, that's not going to wash, Isaac joining with Harti is something that will never happen cause Isaac bare too much resentment towards darood.

Hawiye bare too much enmity towards darood in particular MJ, as we speak most parts of hawiye territory is occupied by al shabaab yet they're in a war with puntland that's been the only pillar standing for Somalia, they're hell bent on revenge, yet it was them that raped, pillaged & till this day squandering the wealth of the Somali people in general.

The only remedy for our illness is the divine laws of Allah the shariah.

When the SNM did their coup they killed many Daroods in Hargeisa. Most of them were Dhulbahantes and Warsengelis. They even did the same again when the government collapsed in 1991. Once again, mostly Dhulbahantes and Hawiyes. They get along ok since Habr Jeclos stop the other Isaaqs from mongering war since they know they will be the ones to bear the brunt of it. Dhulbahantes are tough folks anyway, and I can't see a reality where they are colonised by SL. Even the Buhoodle, they fought back the SL army successfully and Buhoodle is a small city. But Dhulbahantes seem to be like the other Daroods, they have forgotten what these non-Daroods have done it us. It's only logical to move on when the other party acknowledges their wrongs and asks for your forgiveness. You can't just forget what happened unless you want it to happen again.

Al-Shabab serves Hawiye interests, everybody knows that. They only seem to be at war with Jubbaland and Puntland, Jubbaland especially. They do attack Mogadishu but that is different, thats because they run a racket in Mogadishu. If you don't pay their ransom they will attack you business (hotels). Have you ever heard of a front between Galmudug and Alshabab? That's because they are the same. I forgot to mention that they also run SWS. Damn shame too.

 

[waraabe]

Somaliland should definitely stop claiming darod lands. It is very bad for our economy and budget.

We need to pull out of their regions and build a wall. We should have more economic cooperation with our Djiboutian brothers

 

[waraabe]

When the SNM did their coup they killed many Daroods in Hargeisa. Most of them were Dhulbahantes and Warsengelis. They even did the same again when the government collapsed in 1991. Once again, mostly Dhulbahantes and Hawiyes. They get along ok since Habr Jeclos stop the other Isaaqs from mongering war since they know they will be the ones to bear the brunt of it. Dhulbahantes are tough folks anyway, and I can't see a reality where they are colonised by SL. Even the Buhoodle, they fought back the SL army successfully and Buhoodle is a small city. But Dhulbahantes seem to be like the other Daroods, they have forgotten what these non-Daroods have done it us. It's only logical to move on when the other party acknowledges their wrongs and asks for your forgiveness. You can't just forget what happened unless you want it to happen again.

Al-Shabab serves Hawiye interests, everybody knows that. They only seem to be at war with Jubbaland and Puntland, Jubbaland especially. They do attack Mogadishu but that is different, thats because they run a racket in Mogadishu. If you don't pay their ransom they will attack you business (hotels). Have you ever heard of a front between Galmudug and Alshabab? I forgot to mention that they also run SWS. Damn shame too.

Always blaming others.

The reason why SL army is outside buhodle is because they don't want a massacre, Somaliland is trying to win the hearts and minds of darod but darod unfortunately have extreme cuqdad towards Isaaq.

As far SNM killing darods, can you please provide evidence? The SNM prevented Isaaq civilians from taking revenge on darods so I think you should be greatful

 

[The_Cosmos]

Isaaaq and dhulo don't marry, only few sub clans of hy and hj come in contact with darods

My mother is Isaaq and I'm a duhlo