Puntlanders living and loving life in Mogadishu

[DR OSMAN]

Hate to break it to you walaal as dangerous as muqdisho is, it isn't the most dangerousView attachment 92478
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That is a bit different 'citizen crimes' and more similar to 'idealogical warfare' with military bases all over the capital like 20k amisom and 10k SNA, 1000 Danab proving it's not a capital city but an active warzone and God knows how many police they have on the payroll and none of all these security officers can barely 'secure' a territory(14 sq km) for it's government to function

I think your being very unfair comparing a stable nation with government and rule of law and your not comparing apples to apples here. Compare Baghdad to Mogadishu, it's similar with the whole worlds army present due to it's lawlessness. I don't see that for Mexico at all.

More excuses by SFG supporters who fail to answer one question. You spent millions of Somali donor money over 4 years(2016-2020) into your 'security' forces yet the city is no different to 2011.

Can u explain this 'financial' loss to the Somali people on TV and why are you still not declaring you have 'failed' and 'wasted' they're time? if we speak on data and statistics(collect the amount of attacks) in mogadishu, it's clear as day to all Somali 'lacagta magacooda lagu qaato' inusan waxba ka gaban shabab iyo amni darada magalada and therefore a 'new policy' is needed before 'donors' decide to pull out of Somalia as a 'wasted' investments because those nations taxpayers are fed up with they're money going to areas where there is no gains to be seen.

While @nomand @embarassing keep cheering nabad and noolal not knowing if we 'investigated' they're budget and number of years khayre/farmajo have been in office and the 'security outcomes' in Mogadishu, they will look wallahi stupid before the world and showing they're support is on pure tribe not 'accountability'.

 

[kickz]

Only a fool doesn't learn from history. Invest in your home region.

I will do that, just prefer to live in the less harsh Southern climate is all.

 

[madaxweyne]

I will do that, just prefer to live in the less harsh Southern climate is all.

apparently according to him we will be arrested by italian colonial administrators since according to him we are a fool for not learning from history

 

[DR OSMAN]

I will do that, just prefer to live in the less harsh Southern climate is all.

Climate kulaha, maybe u need to pray your not another 'unaccounted' statistic. They don't even
count they're dead in Mogadishu, cuz it's NORMAL

 

[kickz]

apparently according to him we will be arrested by italian colonial administrators since according to him we are a fool for not learning from history

^I think he means another civil war which I dont think will happen agthese .

Climate kulaha, maybe u need to pray your not another 'unaccounted' statistic. They don't even
count they're dead in Mogadishu, cuz it's NORMAL

I dont see this as a permanent situation, in the near future these terrorists will be defeated.

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

I will do that, just prefer to live in the less harsh Southern climate is all.

Good luck

 

[Bernie Madoff]

Mogadishu is the best looking somali city hands down

 

[DR OSMAN]

Mogadishu is the best looking somali city hands down

@Teeri-Alpha and u want us Darods to share a nation with ppl who think it's about 'looks' in a city? they have the same mentality as 'bantu and aborigines' niyahow. Tell them it's about their 'wallet size' each person in your economy competing against the rest of the world. GDP. It's not about 'looks' of your architecture, that's not a 'GDP'. I guess maybe they are not used to 'buildings' living in 'Reserves' like they used too. Niyahow dadkani isku dal ma noqon karno wa iga wallahi, wuu faanaya about 'daar loo dhisay oo lacag dibad ka timi sida welfare dependent clan' isagu 'rajo iskama gabo' inu wax samaysan karo. Its the colonized Somali effect, the colonizer disempowered them to be 'dependent' on him, they did it across all africa and india

 

[Farjano-Walad]

@Teeri-Alpha and u want us Darods to share a nation with ppl who think it's about 'looks' in a city? they have the same mentality as 'bantu and aborigines' niyahow. Tell them it's about their 'wallet size' each person in your economy competing against the rest of the world. GDP. It's not about 'looks' of your architecture, that's not a 'GDP'. I guess maybe they are not used to 'buildings' living in 'Reserves' like they used too. Niyahow dadkani isku dal ma noqon karno wa iga wallahi, wuu faanaya about 'daar loo dhisay oo lacag dibad ka timi sida welfare dependent clan' isagu 'rajo iskama gabo' inu wax samaysan karo. Its the colonized Somali effect, the colonizer disempowered them to be 'dependent' on him, they did it across all africa and india

Dr i even doubt if these somalis know the meaning or importance f GDP, or its measure, you might as well be talking in alien language,

i wand and need data,

i want infant morality rates, how many kids are still born, how many live beyond age 5, how many drink raw bad water, how many jobs did we create

how many bribes do firms or investors average people pay to start a business,

cost of each kilowatt of electricity, how many hours a day of electricity

i am hungry for data, nothing can be improved or changed

imagine if you say i want to lose weight, yet you have no idea how much you weigh, your end goal weight, how many daily calories you eat daily,

you are shooting in the dark,

insha Allah if i stand for Jubaland elections in 4 years time and win, the first thing or institution i will create will be Office of national Stats/ data

i want to know how many hospitals, how many hospital beds, daily average income of each family, age, income, education level, paved roads in KM, how can i fix roads if i dont even know how many miles of roads we have, flora, fauna,

what we can produce in the land in terms of food crops, oil seeds, etc

i want facts, hardcore data

imagine if we said we need 30K men in the military, yet after data we can only create 20K men power fighting machine, this is why data is crucial,



to this day, we read data collected by greek and roman states, 2500 years ago, who can vote, slaves, free men, children, etc, so the states used these data to fend off against the Persians,

how many ships to build, men power etc

we are so behind,

 

[DR OSMAN]

Dr i even doubt if these somalis know the meaning or importance f GDP, or its measure, you might as well be talking in alien language,

i wand and need data,

i want infant morality rates, how many kids are still born, how many live beyond age 5, how many drink raw bad water, how many jobs did we create

how many bribes do firms or investors average people pay to start a business,

cost of each kilowatt of electricity, how many hours a day of electricity

i am hungry for data, nothing can be improved or changed

imagine if you say i want to lose weight, yet you have no idea how much you weigh, your end goal weight, how many daily calories you eat daily,

you are shooting in the dark,

insha Allah if i stand for Jubaland elections in 4 years time and win, the first thing or institution i will create will be Office of national Stats/ data

i want to know how many hospitals, how many hospital beds, daily average income of each family, age, income, education level, paved roads in KM, how can i fix roads if i dont even know how many miles of roads we have, flora, fauna,

what we can produce in the land in terms of food crops, oil seeds, etc

i want facts, hardcore data

imagine if we said we need 30K men in the military, yet after data we can only create 20K men power fighting machine, this is why data is crucial,



to this day, we read data collected by greek and roman states, 2500 years ago, who can vote, slaves, free men, children, etc, so the states used these data to fend off against the Persians,

how many ships to build, men power etc

we are so behind,

That's it, that is why they declared our century as 'information' age because nothing but data is the importance, with data they can begin prioritizing what needs done first, second, third, they can then measure it over 5 years and compare it against how it was before to show 'percentage difference'. Somali govt are useless due to lack of data, everything is done on impulse or opinion.

He will build a road but won't measure the changes 'year by year' to demonstrate what a 'road' means in 'GDP' terms. Data and Stats 'guide policy' you can't even begin economic policies without it and then 'measurements' is what 'seals it as proof' as you say 5 years before we 'began this program' this was our 'situation' and by injecting this policy we now have this 'result' and then show the % growth, this gives your locals, foreigners, businesses, loan/credit institutions confidence your not a government that is un-accountable, your accountable and you follow the 'world standard'

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Teeri-Alpha it all starts with 'proper census' if you get this wrong, all your 'data' will be wrong and all your policies won't show results, so it's paramount the 'census' is 'accurate' and not 'inflated' like Somalis do. I urge a body of 'somalis from all regions as panel, western neutral body' you gotta get this right niyahow or else nothing you do will be able to be shown to work. If you don't know exactly how much of your population is below 18, u won't know how many schools you need, therefore how much funds, what the hell you going to present to business community, diaspora, donors? totally no statistics to work on and 'allocate' the 'required' funds.

They will start with 1 - 5 school roll outs and if that is successful(again u need the governance level to be top notch) without that it will fall in between 'cracks' or 'pockets' or they may even misappropriate the funds and deliver a school that is outside the 'scope of the project' showing 'project failure' to donors which raises 'risk' profile and they pull out untill you get your administration in order. So strong justice system that is focused on 'state crimes' is paramount 'singapore style'. Singapore couldn't of developed if it didn't have 'capital punishment for state crimes and corruption'.

 

[Farjano-Walad]

That's it, that is why they declared our century as 'information' age because nothing but data is the importance, with data they can begin prioritizing what needs done first, second, third, they can then measure it over 5 years and compare it against how it was before to show 'percentage difference'. Somali govt are useless due to lack of data, everything is done on impulse or opinion.

He will build a road but won't measure the changes 'year by year' to demonstrate what a 'road' means in 'GDP' terms. Data and Stats 'guide policy' you can't even begin economic policies without it and then 'measurements' is what 'seals it as proof' as you say 5 years before we 'began this program' this was our 'situation' and by injecting this policy we now have this 'result' and then show the % growth, this gives your locals, foreigners, businesses, loan/credit institutions confidence your not a government that is un-accountable, your accountable and you follow the 'world standard'

it amazes me africans never ever look at data, far east asian goverments and western governments measure things, russia was shithole until Stalin forced them to use data and science when measuring things in the 1930s, he took them form a rural backward to a strong state, he had to kill millions to do it,

if it was not against islam, i would advocate the killing of the older population, they are set in their backward ways and save the 0-18 years old and maybe spare the 18-40 years old and wipe out anyone above 40, but this is against islam, we need to rebuild the society, wipe out those stuck in backward ways or retire them and keep the young ones away from them so they dont corrupt them

arabs and african nations and their leaders are useless, when it comes to data

did you know the conservative government of the Uk since 2010 made a rule, for every 1 pound invited it must generate 3 pounds in value in the UK, this is why they may cancel HS2 so called high speed rail, because it was expected to cost 30 billion but will now cost 80 billion £ plus, and will take longer, so its better to cancel now then waste 40 years and tens of billions more and will only increase the speed of trains from London to Birmingham by 20 minutes, not worth it, 20 minutes for 40 years wait and 80 billion plus?

that is why i like Boris Johnson, he is decisive, its better the money is spent towards northern england since they really lack trains and have very old 1850s train system, this is why the north voted out of EU, they dont get investments like the south of england, or the midlands,

Boris is a real leader, he uses data because he was trained as an economist

 

[DR OSMAN]

it amazes me africans never ever look at data, far east asian goverments and western governments measure things, russia was shithole until Stalin forced them to use data and science when measuring things in the 1930s, he took them form a rural backward to a strong state, he had to kill millions to do it,

if it was not against islam, i would advocate the killing of the older population, they are set in their backward ways and save the 0-18 years old and maybe spare the 18-40 years old and wipe out anyone above 40, but this is against islam, we need to rebuild the society, wipe out those stuck in backward ways or retire them and keep the young ones away from them so they dont corrupt them

arabs and african nations and their leaders are useless, when it comes to data

did you know the conservative government of the Uk since 2010 made a rule, for every 1 pound invited it must generate 3 pounds in value in the UK, this is why they may cancel HS2 so called high speed rail, because it was expected to cost 30 billion but will now cost 80 billion £ plus, and will take longer, so its better to cancel now then waste 40 years and tens of billions more and will only increase the speed of trains from London to Birmingham by 20 minutes, not worth it, 20 minutes for 40 years wait and 80 billion plus?

that is why i like Boris Johnson, he is decisive, its better the money is spent towards northern england since they really lack trains and have very old 1850s train system, this is why the north voted out of EU, they dont get investments like the south of england, or the midlands,

Boris is a real leader, he uses data because he was trained as an economist

I would make each region prove a business case for they're development in data and measurements, there is no point discussing anything until we see what the benefit is, how do we measure it. 4.5 nonsense and my tuulo comes first isn't 'financial' sanity, it could mean 'lossed revenues' into project that could've been allocated elsewhere with 'strong returns'.

If you want 'money' you need to speak the 'money language' is what I would tell Somali because the govt is accountable to ensure all it's aid money and taxpayer funds are not being 'wasted' into some tuulo that makes no 'financial sense'.

In America u see those 'rural towns' if that was Somalia, wallahi if he had minister in govt, he could convince him to throw millions into his rural area and they wud where-as in 'good governed' societies this won't ever happen as they know they need to PROVE their case. Why u think Somalis don't succeed in the 'west' and work at the lower socio economic ladder? meel 'xaqiiq iyo run' jirta masuqmasuqkooda ayaa dhaamanayso, they can't get away with that somali shit in developed world, they try to do it in Somalia due to it's backwardness

 

[Farjano-Walad]

@Teeri-Alpha it all starts with 'proper census' if you get this wrong, all your 'data' will be wrong and all your policies won't show results, so it's paramount the 'census' is 'accurate' and not 'inflated' like Somalis do. I urge a body of 'somalis from all regions as panel, western neutral body' you gotta get this right niyahow or else nothing you do will be able to be shown to work. If you don't know exactly how much of your population is below 18, u won't know how many schools you need, therefore how much funds, what the hell you going to present to business community, diaspora, donors? totally no statistics to work on and 'allocate' the 'required' funds.

They will start with 1 - 5 school roll outs and if that is successful(again u need the governance level to be top notch) without that it will fall in between 'cracks' or 'pockets' or they may even misappropriate the funds and deliver a school that is outside the 'scope of the project' showing 'project failure' to donors which raises 'risk' profile and they pull out untill you get your administration in order. So strong justice system that is focused on 'state crimes' is paramount 'singapore style'. Singapore couldn't of developed if it didn't have 'capital punishment for state crimes and corruption'.

bro i dont even give a shit for this somalia anymore, lets just focus on Jubaland and puntland, our regions, you seriously think we can civilise hawiye or dir or 1door and fix them out?

this is why if we were independent, we would succeed, jubaland was a kingdom before the British gave her to italy, so was puntland,. Sultan Ahmed Magan ruled jubaland and his forefathers, we need to get our our sovereign nations, you expect us to fix a people who i truly believe discovered civilisation in 1960 in xamar?


name me 1 thing non daroods have done for somalis?

heck it even took a darood man saydka to rognaise a war to free 1door from British slavery and being converted to Christians and named Michael and david, a darood men, with Mj, Dhulbahante and Ogaden soldiers,

it took a darood king King Wiil Waal to push off oromo and ahmamar invasions into somali lands in 1700s near jigjiga,

it took Ogadens/Absame to single handedly expand somali lands from dira daba to river tanan in central kenya,

how many umar muxamuud men have died saving 1door from being converted in the Sayida army? what did OG, or Mj, or Dhulo got in return?

umar muxamnuud alone supplied sayidka 4,000 men and thousands more from every Ogaden sub clan and dhulbahante etc, to free 1door from British slavery, and today they still almost worship British queen,

i dont want to share a nation, dont want to waste another 30 years

time we leave, and make our own way, we were kingdoms for hundreds of years

we are being held back bro, come on, there is no somalia,

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Teeri-Alpha How do we know how to 'design PL/JL' if we don't note down the mistakes in the SFG?

The world generally wants to see two things from each society in the world.

1. Democracy. The idea backing this is the philosophy of a 'the will of the people' not the 'will' of a 'few'. Who are the 'few'. U see it in Somalia. Elders, MP, diaspora elites, and Qatar/Dubai/Saudi. Somalia is built more like a 'corporation' with 'shareholders' called MPS who need to be paid a bonus for they're vote to select the govt. This is how 'corporations' operate. Somalia u see today is not a democracy it's more a corporation based on 4.5 shareholders and the 'few' managing it are 'foreign funding'

2. Rule of 'law' must be 'written, agreed too, institutions set up for it'. What is rule of law? it means you don't decide what you can or cannot do as government, the rule of law decides for you. They also want strong justice system that is 'provable' and 'repeatable' outcomes. They need predictability in your justice courts for crimes. None of this is apparent in Somalia, you can do whatever u want and there is no punishment. I read businesses want predictable outcomes in the legal system not risking their assets in unpredictable courts. In other words you need 'penal code' that is written and enforced with no 'double swindling' or else it puts to question your rule of law reliability.

That's when I realized Somalia is not set up as proper govt that is the will of the people nor does it have a constitution that defines the government duties and boundaries, nor does it have any sort of rule of law to keep it's government and institutions in check, nor does it have a proper justice system to keep it's locals in check. It's a society sxb that just 'lives day to day' wallahi they have this philosophy 'illahi isku xir' kkkkkk. They simply do not understand the wisdom between these 'philosophical ideas'

 

[Farm]

Only a fool doesn't learn from history. Invest in your home region.

If he did Gedo would be habitable.

 

[Farjano-Walad]

@Teeri-Alpha How do we know how to 'design PL/JL' if we don't note down the mistakes in the SFG?

The world generally wants to see two things from each society in the world.

1. Democracy. The idea backing this is the philosophy of a 'the will of the people' not the 'will' of a 'few'. Who are the 'few'. U see it in Somalia. Elders, MP, diaspora elites, and Qatar/Dubai/Saudi. Somalia is built more like a 'corporation' with 'shareholders' called MPS who need to be paid a bonus for they're vote to select the govt. This is how 'corporations' operate. Somalia u see today is not a democracy it's more a corporation based on 4.5 shareholders and the 'few' managing it are 'foreign funding'

2. Rule of 'law' must be 'written, agreed too, institutions set up for it'. What is rule of law? it means you don't decide what you can or cannot do as government, the rule of law decides for you. They also want strong justice system that is 'provable' and 'repeatable' outcomes. They need predictability in your justice courts for crimes. None of this is apparent in Somalia, you can do whatever u want and there is no punishment. I read businesses want predictable outcomes in the legal system not risking their assets in unpredictable courts. In other words you need 'penal code' that is written and enforced with no 'double swindling' or else it puts to question your rule of law reliability.

That's when I realized Somalia is not set up as proper govt that is the will of the people nor does it have a constitution that defines the government duties and boundaries, nor does it have any sort of rule of law to keep it's government and institutions in check, nor does it have a proper justice system to keep it's locals in check. It's a society sxb that just 'lives day to day' wallahi they have this philosophy 'illahi isku xir' kkkkkk. They simply do not understand the wisdom between these 'philosophical ideas'

a man once left his camel in the middle of the road and said Allah will take care of him,

the nabi SAW called him over and said, first tight him up and then said Allah will look after him,

God tells us in the Qur'an he helps those who help themselves,

Somalis do not really know deen true deen just parrot words,

you need to look left and then right when crossing road, dont just walk otherwise you will get hit by cars,

 

[Farjano-Walad]

4.5 is a bad idea, degmo or population 1 man 1 vote is better, this helps people who developed agriculture and grew their numbers over the centuries, if inferior tribes could not increase their numbers due to bad organisation or management, not my fault,

Ogaden used slaves they conquered to make food and herd camels for them for centuries, not my fault we had kings who created systems to grow our population, we also took the most green fertile lands in DDS, jubaland and NFD, we killed and exterminated, again not my fault, the weak and inferior are sadly wiped out by the strong, its a dog eat dog world,

1 man 1 vote helps the likes of me, i have centuries of agricultural systems developed, can grow food with massively conquered lands, with many rivers, ponds, lakes,

 

[Macalin M]

it amazes me africans never ever look at data, far east asian goverments and western governments measure things, russia was shithole until Stalin forced them to use data and science when measuring things in the 1930s, he took them form a rural backward to a strong state, he had to kill millions to do it,

if it was not against islam, i would advocate the killing of the older population, they are set in their backward ways and save the 0-18 years old and maybe spare the 18-40 years old and wipe out anyone above 40, but this is against islam, we need to rebuild the society, wipe out those stuck in backward ways or retire them and keep the young ones away from them so they dont corrupt them

arabs and african nations and their leaders are useless, when it comes to data

did you know the conservative government of the Uk since 2010 made a rule, for every 1 pound invited it must generate 3 pounds in value in the UK, this is why they may cancel HS2 so called high speed rail, because it was expected to cost 30 billion but will now cost 80 billion £ plus, and will take longer, so its better to cancel now then waste 40 years and tens of billions more and will only increase the speed of trains from London to Birmingham by 20 minutes, not worth it, 20 minutes for 40 years wait and 80 billion plus?

that is why i like Boris Johnson, he is decisive, its better the money is spent towards northern england since they really lack trains and have very old 1850s train system, this is why the north voted out of EU, they dont get investments like the south of england, or the midlands,

Boris is a real leader, he uses data because he was trained as an economist

Do you think they will cancel HS2? The sunk costs are already high so I don’t see why they would stop now.

 

[Crow]

Hate to break it to you walaal as dangerous as muqdisho is, it isn't the most dangerousView attachment 92478
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.worldatlas.com/amp/articles/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-world.html

Check this list.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate
It's full of Latin American and American cities and is listed by murder rate. Places like Mogadishu, Syria, Yemen, and Afghanistan are nowhere to be seen but we know that they are more dangerous than Baltimore. The problem is that detailed murder records are not kept for these places. But where else on Earth could 600+ people be murdered in the blink of an eye?