PunJubis please come in and let's discuss the Mogadishu status, let's remove our emotions from it but talk legalities and federation rules. It's well known unless exceptions exist that a capital must not take on a political/regional/tribal character. The capital is for all Somalis therefore it's future concerns all of us not HAG as they love to assume.
Currently we have 4.5 tribal lower parliament and regional state upper house. The 4.5 isn't constitutional but 'interim' solution only untill district and democracy is discussed and settled which will reform the lower house but not 'upper' house. The 4.5 is very geared towards hawiye/dir giving them 50% of the seats and also govt power-sharing. We know Irir is one tribe so even in the 4.5 lower house which is tribal, we should've argued you are 1 tribe and should be called IRIR among 4.5 powersharing. Maybe the desire of a government superceded powersharing conflicts, because this horrendous system was even continued under Abdillahi Yusuf led SFG. As the somali says 'xal bay ahayd not xaq' it was a solution but not justice.
So what legal borders do we adopt, the 91 govt border? the problem with this is banadir was given 16 districts under 91 by Siyad and a state, even tho prior to the 60s they only had 2 MPS. The issue is if we adopt 91 border, then the rule will state hamar is 16 districts and a state, this will conflict with how can the capital be tribal/regional/political yet claim it's also the capital and neutral. The capital must be neutral in federation fostering unity. It can have a lower government and mayor, but once it's status is included in federal affairs, it will no longer be seen as a capital but tribal territory, political territory, regional territory which will conflict with it's national duties of being a capital 4 all Somalis.
The Status of Mogadishu isn't hawiyerresponsibility, since mogadishu claims the capital of somalia so it's a somali matter and as Somalis excluding hawiye who has a 'vested' interest must be excluded. Hawadle @The Midlands your samaale, so you can come to discuss it's future, but Im not going to let some HAG who is riddled with conflict of interest and has a vested local interest tell us what Mogadishu future will be.
This discusion is for non hawiyes since we don't have a vested interest and no conflict of interest due to local dynamics. The round-table should only consist of non hamar clans to discuss what their capital should be like, the role it will play, and eventually its status.
Pls keep in mind we are 'federation' not a 'unitary' country. Take into consideration the role the capital serves in the nation and how it must be politically/tribally/regionally neutral in your solutions. If your solution can answer that, Im willing to listen.
Even I don't know what the solution will look like becuz it will be decided thru what 'legal border' is adopted federally which most likely be the 'last legal border of siyad government' which is 91. But it may not be becuz we didn't adopt his socialism-dictatorship, but we did adopt his 'govt culture' 'presidential power' with weak courts-parliaments-ministries, not sharci ku nool system and establishing strong state organs and institutional power and weak presidency-ministers-politicians-mps like successful countries who are already guided with a strong system and leaders only deliver the course and compete on who can deliver the shared system goal, policy, and direction, not argue back n forth on the system and goals and cancel each other out leading to no progress eventually and rife with personal/family/clan interests.
We literally arguing about 'structural' matters leading to no outcome as each president cancels out the other, that's why the structure, system, state organs, policies must be shared national goal not left to 5 year politician personal/clan interest, that's why the future forecasts are bleak for systems where the 'ppl r strong' not the system. @anon2 u seem to know the dilemma facing our nation is structural, state organ empowerment, institutional power leading to weak president/mps/judges where we set the course for them. This raises up our risk profile globally to friends-allies-partners-creditors who can 'measure our system' future predictability not vest power with unpredictable people who will conflict, cancel, switch, have personal interests all embedded and if their seat is so powerful it will lead to nothing in the end.
So it's a balance.
Currently we have 4.5 tribal lower parliament and regional state upper house. The 4.5 isn't constitutional but 'interim' solution only untill district and democracy is discussed and settled which will reform the lower house but not 'upper' house. The 4.5 is very geared towards hawiye/dir giving them 50% of the seats and also govt power-sharing. We know Irir is one tribe so even in the 4.5 lower house which is tribal, we should've argued you are 1 tribe and should be called IRIR among 4.5 powersharing. Maybe the desire of a government superceded powersharing conflicts, because this horrendous system was even continued under Abdillahi Yusuf led SFG. As the somali says 'xal bay ahayd not xaq' it was a solution but not justice.
So what legal borders do we adopt, the 91 govt border? the problem with this is banadir was given 16 districts under 91 by Siyad and a state, even tho prior to the 60s they only had 2 MPS. The issue is if we adopt 91 border, then the rule will state hamar is 16 districts and a state, this will conflict with how can the capital be tribal/regional/political yet claim it's also the capital and neutral. The capital must be neutral in federation fostering unity. It can have a lower government and mayor, but once it's status is included in federal affairs, it will no longer be seen as a capital but tribal territory, political territory, regional territory which will conflict with it's national duties of being a capital 4 all Somalis.
The Status of Mogadishu isn't hawiyerresponsibility, since mogadishu claims the capital of somalia so it's a somali matter and as Somalis excluding hawiye who has a 'vested' interest must be excluded. Hawadle @The Midlands your samaale, so you can come to discuss it's future, but Im not going to let some HAG who is riddled with conflict of interest and has a vested local interest tell us what Mogadishu future will be.
This discusion is for non hawiyes since we don't have a vested interest and no conflict of interest due to local dynamics. The round-table should only consist of non hamar clans to discuss what their capital should be like, the role it will play, and eventually its status.
Pls keep in mind we are 'federation' not a 'unitary' country. Take into consideration the role the capital serves in the nation and how it must be politically/tribally/regionally neutral in your solutions. If your solution can answer that, Im willing to listen.
Even I don't know what the solution will look like becuz it will be decided thru what 'legal border' is adopted federally which most likely be the 'last legal border of siyad government' which is 91. But it may not be becuz we didn't adopt his socialism-dictatorship, but we did adopt his 'govt culture' 'presidential power' with weak courts-parliaments-ministries, not sharci ku nool system and establishing strong state organs and institutional power and weak presidency-ministers-politicians-mps like successful countries who are already guided with a strong system and leaders only deliver the course and compete on who can deliver the shared system goal, policy, and direction, not argue back n forth on the system and goals and cancel each other out leading to no progress eventually and rife with personal/family/clan interests.
We literally arguing about 'structural' matters leading to no outcome as each president cancels out the other, that's why the structure, system, state organs, policies must be shared national goal not left to 5 year politician personal/clan interest, that's why the future forecasts are bleak for systems where the 'ppl r strong' not the system. @anon2 u seem to know the dilemma facing our nation is structural, state organ empowerment, institutional power leading to weak president/mps/judges where we set the course for them. This raises up our risk profile globally to friends-allies-partners-creditors who can 'measure our system' future predictability not vest power with unpredictable people who will conflict, cancel, switch, have personal interests all embedded and if their seat is so powerful it will lead to nothing in the end.
So it's a balance.
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