Puntland damaged Somalia and Somaliland.

You know Puntland is a strange beast. One day you think it's one thing, the next day you realise it is something else.

The power of Puntland is not knowing what it is because Puntland is conditional. It can replace Somalia if it grows, it can secede if it doesn't fulfil its federal aims, or it can be a federal member state of a Somalia if it deems Somalia suitably federal enough.

But now it looks as though people have had enough of Puntland.

Puntland as a project seeks to create dual identity in Somalis, it snuck its federal state flags and symbols into the national constitution but most somalis didn't adopt the dual identity so the political project failed its biggest aims. What it did succeed in doing is damaging the nationalist spirit needed to revive Somalia by creating regionalism. It birthed a constant tension between periphery and centre. You must never forget that a nation state is nationalism and sovereignty. Nothing should stand in the way of nationalism and dual identities do exactly that.

I suggest Somalia or what remains after Puntland inevitably leaves should burn all federal state flags and symbols. Only the Somali flag should be accepted.

The Puntland regionalism virus also affects Somaliland which is a different country. Dual identities don't exist in Somaliland. Somalilander's don't claim to be from Somalia while holding a region first philosophy. I hear people saying this region or that region that first in Somaliland and it's dangerous. It's a virus and it must be identified as such.

Somalia will end up being a highly centralised state with one man rule but that's the only way it really works. Somalia can never again exist within the borders of Somaliland because there is no nationalism for it, rather profound hatred and enmity. It's just time to accept things as they are and make the necessary arrangements.
 

Nomadic lord

Simply better.
Puntland should just leave and stop wasting Somalia's time, but they never will; they will just cry and b*tch all day long and continue their victim complex.
 
You are talking about the Somaliland who have lost half of the land it was claiming before? The world learned so much about your lies in 2023. Southwest state has more clout and military power than Somaliland today thanks to Harti power.
 
You are talking about the Somaliland who have lost half of the land it was claiming before? The world learned so much about your lies in 2023. Southwest state has more clout and military power than Somaliland today thanks to Harti power.

More Puntland lies and propaganda.

Hartiland is not recognizable under international norms and the AU charter. It's just a witchcraft spoiler project. Good riddance.
 
You are talking about the Somaliland who have lost half of the land it was claiming before? The world learned so much about your lies in 2023. Southwest state has more clout and military power than Somaliland today thanks to Harti power.
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Hilmaam

Sound mind sound body
VIP
Discussing independence is pointless 30 years you have nothing to show for it somali borders still same. You talk as if you have accomplished some feat by labeling yourself a country it amounts to nothing. When xamar had no goverment u couldn’t even break free now they have semblance of govt what chance do you have be series
 
Discussing independence is pointless 30 years you have nothing to show for it somali borders still same. You talk as if you have accomplished some feat by labeling yourself a country it amounts to nothing. When xamar had no goverment u couldn’t even break free now they have semblance of govt what chance do you have be series

You are missing the obvious basic tenet of nation state
Nationalism and Soveriengty.
You are just claiming sovereignty but there's only nationalism for Somaliland. The Somali governmment hasn't been seen in Somaliland for the last 35 years and the last time it was seen it was destroying the place.

It's over - you can claim title till the end of time it will never revive Somalia.
 

Hilmaam

Sound mind sound body
VIP
You are missing the obvious basic tenet of nation state
Nationalism and Soveriengty.
You are just claiming sovereignty but there's only nationalism for Somaliland. The Somali governmment hasn't been seen in Somaliland for the last 35 years and the last time it was seen it was destroying the place.

It's over - you can claim title till the end of time it will never revive Somalia.
Majority of Somalia hasn’t had Somali govt since civil war. Al shabab controls more land than govt in south. You will still not be granted citizenship. Every clan has own version of nationalism somalilnd govt doesn’t even control its own border you are no better than fgs and will likely never regain lost territory because you have same disease as rest of Somalia
 
Majority of Somalia hasn’t had Somali govt since civil war. Al shabab controls more land than govt in south. You will still not be granted citizenship. Every clan has own version of nationalism somalilnd govt doesn’t even control its own border you are no better than fgs and will likely never regain lost territory because you have same disease as rest of Somalia

Own version of nationalism? Or claiming a different nationality - two very different things.

All those areas claim to be part of Somalia, they claim Somailia, but they have other loyalties to clan and region.

Somalilanders doesn't claim Somalia. They claim Somaliland. Please don't use sophistry.
 

Hilmaam

Sound mind sound body
VIP
Own version of nationalism? Or claiming a different nationality - two very different things.

All those areas claim to be part of Somalia, they claim Somailia, but they have other loyalties to clan and region.

Somalilanders doesn't claim Somalia. They claim Somaliland. Please don't use sophistry.
SSC is not part of Somalilans and was invited by fgs to discuss 2 year transition to statehood. Lets what awdal region decides to as well. Believe what you want I wish you luck but neither puntland or Somali land will ever be independent. Africa has dozens of countries all wanting to be free based on religion ethnicity and language
 
SSC is not part of Somalilans and was invited by fgs to discuss 2 year transition to statehood. Lets what awdal region decides to as well. Believe what you want I wish you luck but neither puntland or Somali land will ever be independent. Africa has dozens of countries all wanting to be free based on religion ethnicity and language

How many African states disappeared for 3 decades?
Somalia is unique case and it's about to be concluded soon. You can't say you are staying or else. You can't build a country like that. Maybe you can hold on to some far flung region (like Puntland but even that is iffy) but not major population centres who have a seperate national identity. You have to accept reality.

You keep reverting to regionalism to try to avoid the meat of the topic. Kind of how Puntland keeps Somalia in a vice grip. Double edged swords everywhere
 
None of you live in Somalia, all diaspora kids doing fkd.. The truth of the matter is none of the dusty villages/regions you're claiming to represent have a sewer system, barely any functioning hospitals or a healthcare system.. You're leaders are illiterate and you are known to be a broken down poverty ridden race and nation of people... You’re arrogance has no boundaries and you see no shame in your unintelligent behavior... I hope some day Allah gives the land to a people who are better than you and who will appreciate and value their unity and what Allah has given them.
 
How many African states disappeared for 3 decades?
Somalia is unique case and it's about to be concluded soon. You can't say you are staying or else. You can't build a country like that. Maybe you can hold on to some far flung region (like Puntland but even that is iffy) but not major population centres who have a seperate national identity. You have to accept reality.
Buddy, Somalia can collapsed hundreds of times and it won't grant Somaliland recognition. You genuinely don't understand how the country making process works.
 
Buddy, Somalia can collapsed hundreds of times and it won't grant Somaliland recognition. You genuinely don't understand how the country making process works.

Somaliland is already gone. It just needs to be recognized. The US is holding it back because it has security interests in the south otherwise it would have been over a long time ago. It could end at any minute.
 

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