You dont see me guessing how many people got massacred in somaliland boowe i merely posted an articleMarkad adna iiga dhowdahay ma duriyada sh isxaaq baad kamidtahay
https://pulitzercenter.org/reporting/valley-death-somalilands-forgotten-genocide
Puntites are Federalists not qabiilists
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https://pulitzercenter.org/reporting/valley-death-somalilands-forgotten-genocide
Gibiin-Udug
Crowned Queen of Puntland. Supporter of PuntExit
Loooooooool@DR OSMAN @Gibiin-Udug i was told when siad barre sent his soldiers to bari qardho the soldiers knocked on the doors asking for cismaan maxamud and the inhabitants would answer when they ask them their tribe “ i am bah yaqoub” the soldiers respond no we are looking for cismaan maxamud where can we find them? the soldiers knock on another door, what tribe are you? “maxa ahay bah dirooble” the soldiers say we are not looking for bah dirooble we are looking for cismaan maxamud where can we find them? they knock on another door what tribe are you? “Maxa nahay muuse suldaan” soldiers we are not looking for muuse suldaan, where can we find cismaan maxamud? They knock on another door, are you cismaan maxamud? “maxa nahay bah dhulbhante” the soldiers got confused They knock on another door, what tribe are you? “Maxa nahay bah gareen” when they couldn't find no cismaan maxamud they left
You forgot Bah dubays. Oooops I forgot they don’t live in Bari
@DR OSMAN @Gibiin-Udug i was told when siad barre sent his soldiers to bari qardho the soldiers knocked on the doors asking for cismaan maxamud and the inhabitants would answer when they ask them their tribe “ i am bah yaqoub” the soldiers respond no we are looking for cismaan maxamud where can we find them? the soldiers knock on another door, what tribe are you? “maxa ahay bah dirooble” the soldiers say we are not looking for bah dirooble we are looking for cismaan maxamud where can we find them? they knock on another door what tribe are you? “Maxa nahay muuse suldaan” soldiers we are not looking for muuse suldaan, where can we find cismaan maxamud? They knock on another door, are you cismaan maxamud? “maxa nahay bah dhulbhante” the soldiers got confused They knock on another door, what tribe are you? “Maxa nahay bah gareen” when they couldn't find no cismaan maxamud they left
I heard from my father he could be wrong becuz he isn't 'cultural' specialist but from what he heard from other bah dubays. The reason we emphasise the 'bah' is for 2 reasons.
1. Abti Alliance with another clan which can be political like 'vote for me' or scratch my back I'll scratch yours. It can be militarily like if your in danger they send in Bah alliance boys to help you in battle similar to what 'cade' did going to 'el-afwayn' that is his 'bah territory'. You use them in time of 'need' when the male side relatives start beef, which was quite common in Bari back in those days and still relevant till today.
2. Nasabnimo. Since we all abtirsi to darod on the male side who was nasab, the only potential non-nasab is the female side, so by stating your bah early on, people knew your nasab on the mother side, where-as those who didn't would hide they're ignoble blood by emphasising only the father side while acting like the mother tribe doesn't exist.
@Gibiin-Udug what have u guys heard? The first question I asked my day why do you abtirsi only male names to darod but then you tell other people your bah dubays as a clan. That's the answer he gave me, what information do u guys have? That's why my dad said people look down on muse suldan or any clan who doesn't emphasise his 'bah' like isxul. It means they're from ignoble female origins and they're hiding it away, basically 'wax lagu faano ma aha' marka way 'qarsadan' ceebtooda dhinaca habarta iyo beesheeda. Isaaq have similar culture notice, they abtirsi male side to isaaq but they're all 'habar this and habar that', where-as the ignoble ones are usually the ones who have 'male' name as a clan with no mention of habarta idin dhashay. Sade is known to have married a b22n woman, I mean the actual sade founding father and why people call them b22n and shit. See it doesn't matter if I marry a b22n cause my clan doesn't abtirsi to me, but when ur founding father does, that means all your boys are not nasab at all since they're mother was a disgusting woman.
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I can see why 'bah bah' or the 'habar habar' thing is important. Imagine me and @Cognitivedissonance were born of the same father and our father had two wives. I wouldn't want his b22n ass running the family affair and I would tag him 'bah b22n' and all his brothers who are from the same mother. Where-as I would tag myself by the tribe my mother was from and if she was noble, then her tribe name wouldn't be hidden away. So for example if the mother was reer mahad, why would you hide the fact she was reer mahad? you would say the kids are osman mahmoud lakin from dhinaca 'bahdi reer mahad' to emphasise she was from a noble clan. Notice Isaaq clan hide the 'habar yoonis, habar jeclo, habar awal' they don't emphasise the clan name? maybe ignoble blood involved. There is no reason somalis hide the clan unless the clan itself is something not to BOAST about.
Look at Sanaag/Hayland which is where our ancestors are all buried, it's like Somalia's ancient greece is what I put it as. Where-as Bari is like our Roman Empire, it reached grand heights. Watch this guys, this is a 'bah wadaag' conference, I would need to attend it if Involved 'bah wadaagta' warsangeli, waxaa laga imanaya illa hamar sida warsangeli abgaal, heaps of habar yonis, and even me BAH DUBAYS. The reason being, the mothers who gave birth to all our clans are basically 'ilmo adeero' they are warsangeli women.
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@Sheikh the reason your called b22n is because the founding father of Sade was known to marry an ignoble woman who was of b22n origins, she wasn't nasab, she wasn't intelligent, wealthy, strong as a clan, she used to go around hunting for her food lol. How can you grow strength as a clan when you can't even secure your food source, the b22n clan were to busy just to day to day living or they would starve as b22n clans, let alone build up clan might.
But the mighty Darod was already secure in his food source thru pastoralism, they had they're livestock like sheeps, goats, cows, camels. He didn't need to go around hunting day time and wasting valuable time of his clan to secure his food. This allowed and paved the way for darod literature and poetry similar to shakespearean culture. We reached a mighty height. But b22n didn't reach this stage and hence were considered b22n. How does it feel being born from the womb of such filth? The other thing you can notice is why is darod and doonbiro buried together? this means the sons of doonbiro which is all of us are NASAB on both father/mother, but notice after-wards you will not find a clan founder and his wife buried together, which indicates 'hayawaanki' xitaa way wasi jireen and hence they became less noble as time went on. This started with 'sade'. Stop going to sanaag burying your father like your stupid clan is doing and try to find your mother the 'cawaan' because u won't find her, because she was buried like an animal she was. Lama xusi jirin animal death, like no-one remembers b22n deaths.
I don't blame sade hating darod clans, 'weji kuma yaalo' b22n boy, your half b22n, half nasab only. You must hide your shame by siding with hawiye and try to sell them some fake shit, because if you come anywhere near darod, u will be reminded of your ORIGINS.
I suggest to kab iyo lax this is including you absame @diaby @Teeri-Alpha we need to find our awoowe burial site and then find out his wife and her clan and bury her along side him. If they are buried separately, we must at least indicate she is the wife of so and so of a nasab kab iyo lax man. We must bury our founding fathers like darod and doonbiro are buried together meaning two nasab came together male and female. If we don't reach that standard of nasabnimo on both male/female side, we have fallen short and our blood is impure.
I am Mohamed Harti on the male side, yes when I abtirsi it goes into Mohamed harti. But I am habar majerteen as a clan, this includes warsangeli also. He is Maxamud Harti on the male side, lakin waa habar majerteen laftigisa. As habar majerten clans we must find our awooweyaal mohamed iyo maxamud harti and build a memorial site for them and also find they're wife 'majerteen' yes she was a single woman from the ISSA clan is all we know and she married both maxamed and maxamud harti, possibly 'dumaal' bay noqotay marku mid dhintay.
But the mighty Darod was already secure in his food source thru pastoralism, they had they're livestock like sheeps, goats, cows, camels. He didn't need to go around hunting day time and wasting valuable time of his clan to secure his food. This allowed and paved the way for darod literature and poetry similar to shakespearean culture. We reached a mighty height. But b22n didn't reach this stage and hence were considered b22n. How does it feel being born from the womb of such filth? The other thing you can notice is why is darod and doonbiro buried together? this means the sons of doonbiro which is all of us are NASAB on both father/mother, but notice after-wards you will not find a clan founder and his wife buried together, which indicates 'hayawaanki' xitaa way wasi jireen and hence they became less noble as time went on. This started with 'sade'. Stop going to sanaag burying your father like your stupid clan is doing and try to find your mother the 'cawaan' because u won't find her, because she was buried like an animal she was. Lama xusi jirin animal death, like no-one remembers b22n deaths.
I don't blame sade hating darod clans, 'weji kuma yaalo' b22n boy, your half b22n, half nasab only. You must hide your shame by siding with hawiye and try to sell them some fake shit, because if you come anywhere near darod, u will be reminded of your ORIGINS.
I suggest to kab iyo lax this is including you absame @diaby @Teeri-Alpha we need to find our awoowe burial site and then find out his wife and her clan and bury her along side him. If they are buried separately, we must at least indicate she is the wife of so and so of a nasab kab iyo lax man. We must bury our founding fathers like darod and doonbiro are buried together meaning two nasab came together male and female. If we don't reach that standard of nasabnimo on both male/female side, we have fallen short and our blood is impure.
I am Mohamed Harti on the male side, yes when I abtirsi it goes into Mohamed harti. But I am habar majerteen as a clan, this includes warsangeli also. He is Maxamud Harti on the male side, lakin waa habar majerteen laftigisa. As habar majerten clans we must find our awooweyaal mohamed iyo maxamud harti and build a memorial site for them and also find they're wife 'majerteen' yes she was a single woman from the ISSA clan is all we know and she married both maxamed and maxamud harti, possibly 'dumaal' bay noqotay marku mid dhintay.
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Gibiin-Udug
Crowned Queen of Puntland. Supporter of PuntExit
I see this 'b22n' in sade that is unexplainable, it's like that 'primitive savage' is still apart of they're culture, they never reached glories of HARTI, we are mentioned in Futuh Al Habash as the bravest of warriors, we were like the 'warrior standard' for all Somalis. Then a few centuries later we developed further into 'kingdoms' like Osman Mahmoud Sultanates and Warsangeli sultanates. We controlled some decent chunk of territory and coastal waters, we developed automatically strategic marriages into local and overseas royal families.
We began our trade networks with different kingdoms at the time because there was no concept of 'nation state' like we know it today, most areas were controlled by kings and subjects. We developed our literacy level also, even though we used the lingua franca at the time which was arabic, we even began to develop local Somali scripts. We were just basically set up perfectly to take the REIGNS of Somalia, it was hard work over centuries from the 15th century from soldier origins to slow incremental development into kingdoms and then forming the elite class of the new nation of Somalia, well that's untill the former PEASANT clans CHIMPED OUT in 91.
For example the warsangeli in particular the ugaslaabe are known to be 'gift' sent from Indian Royal Families to establish ties with the Warsangeli sultanates. Where-as Osman mahmoud sultanates had like 10 wives as a bare minimum in his life time with strategic clans inside PL and Outside PL.
I do find it particularly interesting how royal families operate, it's just strategic marriages into other royal families to ensure peace and co-existence between the two kingdoms. The other option is 'war' because they're cannot be 'two kings' in one land, since the land is only ONE land, they're can only be one KING.
The Omar Mahmoud chicks nowadays do the same marrying into 'rich' foreigners like david bowie, idris elba,
@Gibiin-Udug what seals my 'thesis' is the fact you can observe what I am saying today. Look at the south, if there is any memory of a working kingdom in the past, why is it constantly in 'colonial' mode? Zanzibar, Italy, Then Majertens ruling them in 1960-1969 thru SYL, then Siyad Barre 1969-1991. Then 1991 till now it's basically a mixture of 'lawlessness or colonialism' such as amisom, turks, arabs, etc. It's like a mix of they're ancient 'lawlessness' past and 'colonials' on the land. Why do we see this sister if my thesis is wrong right up until today?
Why is it from 91-2004 untill Abdillahi came, all the south was behaving like HG from Galgaduud with green lines from 'xafad to xafad' and just setting up 'checkpoints' at airports, ports, and roads and funnelling into warlords who would re-invest it into telecoms which hormuud, barakaat, u want the list? Surely my thesis supports the facts on the ground right? it's not just an empty thesis, it actually correlates to what you see on the ground.
Look at Isaaq up north right, if they had any kingdom before the british, surely they would return to it, but they don't. They prefer to return to the british queen and her possession territories, they prefer a 'gaal queen' before a Somali King like Osman Mahmoud that is grounded in history and accepted through-out Somalia. These guys even brag how they died for the queen yet england doesn't even mention they're sorry ass cause they are considered 'subjects' or 'peasants' of the queen in england. Notice he has no history to return to and that's why Isaaq is called GAAL, look at they're state today, it's roots are towards british somaliland, it means the BRITISH OWN this land, it's like a colony of the british.
This supports the @Teeri-Alpha and his analysis of sayid saving Isaaq from gumaysi, but what does teeri have to say now when his pet project in the north has failed to ensure Somali supremacy remains 'paramount' and 'strong', his pet project in the north failed TEERI and he won't admit it. His sayid died for nothing, cuz that c*nt is back to going under the queen.
Why is it from 91-2004 untill Abdillahi came, all the south was behaving like HG from Galgaduud with green lines from 'xafad to xafad' and just setting up 'checkpoints' at airports, ports, and roads and funnelling into warlords who would re-invest it into telecoms which hormuud, barakaat, u want the list? Surely my thesis supports the facts on the ground right? it's not just an empty thesis, it actually correlates to what you see on the ground.
Look at Isaaq up north right, if they had any kingdom before the british, surely they would return to it, but they don't. They prefer to return to the british queen and her possession territories, they prefer a 'gaal queen' before a Somali King like Osman Mahmoud that is grounded in history and accepted through-out Somalia. These guys even brag how they died for the queen yet england doesn't even mention they're sorry ass cause they are considered 'subjects' or 'peasants' of the queen in england. Notice he has no history to return to and that's why Isaaq is called GAAL, look at they're state today, it's roots are towards british somaliland, it means the BRITISH OWN this land, it's like a colony of the british.
This supports the @Teeri-Alpha and his analysis of sayid saving Isaaq from gumaysi, but what does teeri have to say now when his pet project in the north has failed to ensure Somali supremacy remains 'paramount' and 'strong', his pet project in the north failed TEERI and he won't admit it. His sayid died for nothing, cuz that c*nt is back to going under the queen.
That's why I read history only or listen to from cultural experts in Somalia be it on TV, family, friends, or anywhere. Because we need to explain how Somalia is in this mess right now, it didn't just pop up like this one day, it went thru 'gradual changes' through-out time periods, not all clans share the same development levels in history. At the time of Somalia founding, the world was racing on 'nation state' building, but before that the world was set up as KINGDOMS. There was gradual changes, we need to make note of this and ask each clan to describe where they were in these different gradual changes world wide.
Darod reminded Somalis to unite on nation state like 'sayid' since the world was uniting on nation state. What is nation state? it's a people who share commonalities on culture, geographic location, language, religion. It has nothing to do with blood relations, we all come from different families. People mix the different time periods of 'kingdoms' which indeed meant 'blood relations' since kingdoms are based on ruling elite thru blood based connections like common father, common mother, marriage between different people, the whole purpose of a kingdom is 'blood based' and then they rule 'peasants' below who are told to do 'tasks' in the state like your cleaner, your butcher, your a labourer, your fishermen, your a religious person, you see the class system begins then in kingdoms. But it's grounded in 'blood tied elite' at the top.
Nation state was different concept, it was 'peasants' rising up and saying 'lets rule' each other and throw away the shackles of KINGS and Royal families and Class systems. Let's appreciate each other on our shared location, shared language, shared religion, shared culture and elect who-ever we think is best to protect this commonality.
My thesis might be long but I can point to the ground today and ask you to explain our Somalia any different to what my thesis is presenting.
Cadde muuse sub clan of bah dirooble in general dont have bah alliance with isaaq the only cismaan maxamud bah who has a isaaq bah is your sub clan of bah yaqoub (garaab saare)
Bah dirooble mother is dir boowe Ciise weeye
Manzana
𐒖 𐒚𐒒𐒘𐒂𐒗𐒆 𐒖𐒒𐒆 𐒈𐒂𐒇𐒙𐒒𐒌 𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂. PIM.
Did I miss something? Did bari become part of northwest Somalia?
Loooooooool
You forgot Bah dubays. Oooops I forgot they don’t live in Bari
i have no idea how many casualties existed in mudug or waqooyi since i am not from mudug or waqooyi but @Libaaxseendheer is from mudug and he says theres 5k who got massacred but since he is not from waqooyi he has no right to guess how many people died in waqooyi just like i havent got a right to guess how many people died in mudug or waqooyi since i am from neither.
Manzana
𐒖 𐒚𐒒𐒘𐒂𐒗𐒆 𐒖𐒒𐒆 𐒈𐒂𐒇𐒙𐒒𐒌 𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂. PIM.
You're contradicting yourself but I guess that's the norm for you. I rest my case.
Abaayo macaan horta shaidanka iska naar and if i have ever wronged you then forgive me for Allah sake
Nobody cares about the maternal side warya. It's all about the paternal side. Sade my landeere awoowe married a good woman kkk. You're the ones that are the b00ns. You're the not the nasab one you come from Zanzibar you silly b00n
Warya the real reason your called b00n is bc your from Zanzibar and got incorporated into Darood kkk. Not nasab at all. The founding father of Sade was a geesi noble Lion landeere man. Any kind of woman is a woman no difference
Your kind hunts for food deers kkk. We have enough food alx. We're not like you Zanzibari's that eat Ugali. I'm the mighty Darood Sade your owner. We are the nomads pastoralists that have livestock and produce. What do you have? You are the hunters that used to hunt since you are from Tanzania that were runaway slaves that got taught our sacred dhaqan over time my pet. We invented Darood governance ruling, Darood literature poetry, we invented warfare and conquering, plus we introduced the deen to you. I put the Darood name on top of the world displaying my heroic geesiness to gaal cadows. Sade reached the heights alx. But you b00ns never reached our heights always copied our every move kkk. We your masters consider you b00ns as useless bunch. Nigga Darood is Sade we are the sons of doonbiro but your the son of a Tanzanian lady in Zanzibar. We're nasab on our father side and in Somali culture paternal side is all what counts warya. Landeere Sade Lion is nasab alx unlike you b00ns from Zanzibar. Your clan is the stupid one and our landeere awoowe is in Sanaag my pet unlike yours from Zanzibar kkk. Sade only hates the non loyal clans that don't pledge allegiance to Sade hoogaan your the enemy then. Sade owns Darood. Sade IS Darood. B00n boy yuor half h.utu half Zanzibari. I am full nasab pure Darood alx. You side with hawiye bc you are snake. Sade is Darood and Darood is Sade. Your origins are tainted my pet b00n
B00n mj. Sade owns you. You are the primitive clan that is wild aborigines. My culture is better than your backward culture my pet. You never reached the glories and heights/accomplishments of Sade langaab boy. We were the 1st Somalis mentioned in the Futah since we are the largest and eldest. We were the geesi heroes you are weak. We were the geesi standard all over the Horn. We then created a noble deen related Sultanate Empire Kingdom based in our historic city we came from. We expanded and brought the deen. We were the ones to develop the Somali scripts and make Somali the standard language and changed the Italian shit warya
I agree with you 100%.
We don’t want to go thru the oppression and lies again.
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