Puntites are Federalists not qabiilists

[Som]

Let's be honest for once.
Somali federalism and qabilism are the same.
All federal states are desgined with qabil lines with one qabil dominating others.
You guys have Galkacyo north and Galkacyo south like east and west Berlin and you claim that federalism isn't qabil?
Brothers lets be honest , federalism is just a way for Somalis to continue with the qabil bulshit and it's a way for the govt to justify it's inability to controll the territory.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Let's be honest for once.
Somali federalism and qabilism are the same.
All federal states are desgined with qabil lines with one qabil dominating others.
You guys have Galkacyo north and Galkacyo south like east and west Berlin and you claim that federalism isn't qabil?
Brothers lets be honest , federalism is just a way for Somalis to continue with the qabil bulshit and it's a way for the govt to justify it's inability to controll the territory.

It's better being separate progressing then forcing ourselves to be together and collapsing constantly. You can't force us together anymore, some somalis believe deep down, by being separate of each other, we will see who is the landheer and langaab. Who is the one that needs to hide among somalinimo will be exposed by JUDGING HIS REGION.

 

[Som]

Even

It's better being separate progressing then forcing ourselves to be together and collapsing constantly.

That's your decision and I respect that even though I disagree.
If puntland leaves Somalia every other federal state would do the same .
Somali federal states even big ones like puntland won't be able to thrive on their own and would be doomed to be an average poor African country.
Think abou this .
We are surrounded by countries who wants to harm us, Turkey, UAE, Saudi , Qatar are buying out lands.
Kenya is attempting to take our sea, Ethiopia has been destabilising us for years and what do we do? We fight over some qabil bulshit and divide cities on clan lines.
It's embarrassing

 

[Som]

It's better being separate progressing then forcing ourselves to be together and collapsing constantly. You can't force us together anymore, some somalis believe deep down, by being separate of each other, we will see who is the landheer and langaab. Who is the one that needs to hide among somalinimo will be exposed by JUDGING HIS REGION.

And by the way we aren't even trying to be together.
Let's be honest.
Jubbaland, somaliland or puntland are showing absolutely zero interest in unity with other somalis.
No one is force nobody, the central govt is guarded by amisom they can't force anyone.
If puntlanders were wiser they would take the lead of the country in this time of hardship but instead they are choosing to play qabil games just like the rest of Somalis

 

[Som]

Somalia under centralism 1960-1991
We had schools, hospitals, one of the strongest armies in africa and bright future ahead of us.

Somalia under fake qabil federalism 2012-now.
We have some old dudes fighting like children while our people die in the Sahara and the Mediterranean sea.

 

[Som]

Many of u aren't federalist.
You are just qabil secessionists, it's fine but at least admit it.
Federal systems work because there's a strong government that makes it clear what federal member state can and can't do.
You want to do whatever u want and you call it federalism, that's somaliland style secessionism but at least they're honest and they state their true intentions

 

[DR OSMAN]

Many of u aren't federalist.
You are just qabil secessionists, it's fine but at least admit it.
Federal systems work because there's a strong government that makes it clear what federal member state can and can't do.
You want to do whatever u want and you call it federalism, that's somaliland style secessionism but at least they're honest and they state their true intentions

All I say let's go separate for 20 years at least. Come back for a union discussion but with one condition, your REGION LOOKS BEAUTIFUL, when it does, I can then discuss on how we can add all our beautiful regions together again into unified somalia. Till then, I can't trust u while u sit in a damn shipping container in mogadishu holding conferences for world dignatories, xitaa wala xishooda nacas yahow and tell your guests 'my house weli diyaar ma aha' I can't invite guests yet. Your just baboon adigu

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Let's be honest for once.
Somali federalism and qabilism are the same.
All federal states are desgined with qabil lines with one qabil dominating others.
You guys have Galkacyo north and Galkacyo south like east and west Berlin and you claim that federalism isn't qabil?
Brothers lets be honest , federalism is just a way for Somalis to continue with the qabil bulshit and it's a way for the govt to justify it's inability to controll the territory.

Gaalkacyo has a unified police force now and its people have always been free to travel from one side to another.

My own cousin was helping business owners in Baraxley recently.

Don't make up things.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Som I can't convince PL die-hards like @PuntiteQueen and yes there are many like her since not all Puntland people hold the same views or are in the same camp about Somalia and our policies towards it. But there is no way I can convince them to surrender and except to be ruled directly from Mogadishu. U know why Bro? even the world doesn't trust you and is based in Xalane and refuses to be ruled by you. Your not a real government that's why

The world meets you here in shipping containers below. If you don't get the message about what you are to the world, I can't speak any further and want to discuss 'divorce' proceedings, an amicable divorce oo aan ku jirin in lays xasido kkkkk ama in lays cuno ama in lays qasbo

 

[Som]

Gaalkacyo has a unified police force now and its people have always been free to travel from one side to another.

My own cousin was helping business owners in Baraxley recently.

Don't make up things.

That's good but are we just going to deny that the city is still to sine extend divided between MJ and HG? The fact that they even had a separate police force before is already outrageous

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

That's good but are we just going to deny that the city is still to sine extend divided between MJ and HG? The fact that they even had a separate police force before is already outrageous

We just came out of a civil war, what do you expect?

Clearly, Gaalkacyo has moved forward and is improving.

Federalism is the solution to prevent crazy dictators to hold us all hostage again.

 

[DR OSMAN]

That's good but are we just going to deny that the city is still to sine extend divided between MJ and HG? The fact that they even had a separate police force before is already outrageous

Maybe you haven't read any of my posts. There is no blame on PL regarding Galkacyo situation, I tried to find and look for anything they may be at fault and found none. HG culture weeye. Where-ever they live they tend to place green lines. Dhusomareeb and Marehan used to have green line. Ceelbur town which is Murusade and Duduble had a green line. When HG invaded Hamar, they also employed green-line with Abgaal in the north and South with HG control. This is a HG culture and still exists between Dhusomareeb to Cadaado to Baraxlay, gudahooda ayaa ciidan kala fadhiya waryaa. The leelkase and Omar mahmoud live fine with no green-line inside Galkacyo or in general mudug. Even Wagardhac have no green-lines in Mudug. Darod don't have green-line, the reason being 'isku xeer baynu nahay' dee, arimo mag, qisas, diya, etc.

Please stop the blame game, we need to assess evidence and convince each other is the only way. I would love to blame Omar mahmoud but why are they mingling just fine with every other clan in Somalia except YOU. Where-ever u go bro is the problem, meel kasto aad gashid ayaa rabsho ka jira. HG is my specialty topic since I spent good number of years studying them in Mogadishu during the 99 haram days to understand the motives behind this barbaric clan.

 

[Som]

We just came out of a civil war, what do you expect?

Clearly, Gaalkacyo has moved forward and is improving.

Federalism is the solution to prevent crazy dictators to hold us all hostage again.

In a true federal systems the central government has authority over important issues like foreign policy for example.
In Somalia every qabil or federal state wants to make his own foreign policy.
That's not federalism, that's anarchy.
I'm ok with a stable federal system were the govt has control over important stuff.
Immagine California making deals with a country without the permission of the federal Us government
Its crazy.
You want federalism? Fine, but u should do it then right way

 

[Som]

Maybe you haven't read any of my posts. There is no blame on PL regarding Galkacyo situation, I tried to find and look for anything they may be at fault and found none. HG culture weeye. Where-ever they live they tend to place green lines. Dhusomareeb and Marehan used to have green line. Ceelbur town which is Murusade and Duduble had a green line. When HG invaded Hamar, they also employed green-line with Abgaal in the north and South with HG control. This is a HG culture and still exists between Dhusomareeb to Cadaado to Baraxlay, gudahooda ayaa ciidan kala fadhiya waryaa. The leelkase and Omar mahmoud live fine with no green-line inside Galkacyo or in general mudug. Even Wagardhac have no green-lines in Mudug. Darod don't have green-line, the reason being 'isku xeer baynu nahay' dee, arimo mag, qisas, diya, etc.

Please stop the blame game, we need to assess evidence and convince each other is the only way. I would love to blame Omar mahmoud but why are they mingling just fine with every other clan in Somalia except YOU. Where-ever u go bro is the problem, meel kasto aad gashid ayaa rabsho ka jira. HG is my specialty topic since I spent good number of years studying them in Mogadishu during the 99 haram days to understand the motives behind this barbaric clan.

I'm not even HG.
I'm blaming everyone for this mess bro cause I'm somali and I care for my fellow Somalis from Djibouti to Raas Kambooni
That's it.

 

[DR OSMAN]

In a true federal systems the central government has authority over important issues like foreign policy for example.
In Somalia every qabil or federal state wants to make his own foreign policy.
That's not federalism, that's anarchy.
I'm ok with a stable federal system were the govt has control over important stuff.
Immagine California making deals with a country without the permission of the federal Us government
Its crazy.
You want federalism? Fine, but u should do it then right way

You never responded once to me, which means u prefer 'muran' which only indicates you are supportive to allow the instability to continue, which means your motives must be to extend the instability. I told u, 20 years naga tax, gobolkaga soo dhis, markasi ii imow oo aan arke in gobolkaga janno yahay, markas MEEL KASTO AAD I SHEEGTO WAAN KU RACA. Why cant you prove gobolkaga, afkaga iyo beentada iyo siyasadada iyo sirtada iyo huuhaaga wuxu ku fashilma GOBOLKAGA AYAA NAARTA HOOSTEEDA U EEG

 

[Som]

You never responded once to me, which means u prefer 'muran' which only indicates you are supportive to allow the instability to continue, which means your motives must be to extend the instability. I told u, 20 years naga tax, gobolkaga soo dhis, markasi ii imow oo aan arke in gobolkaga janno yahay, markas MEEL KASTO AAD I SHEEGTO WAAN KU RACA. Why cant you prove gobolkaga, afkaga iyo beentada iyo siyasadada iyo sirtada iyo huuhaaga wuxu ku fashilma GOBOLKAGA AYAA NAARTA HOOSTEEDA U EEG

I'm talking about political theory while u guys are doing fadhi ku dirir while our nation is burning.
Bro you want to build just 4 tuulos while I want to build this

 

[DR OSMAN]

I'm talking about political theory while u guys are doing fadhi ku dirir while our nation is burning.
Bro you want to build just 4 tuulos while I want to build this

4 tuulos is better then no tuulos. Yes I am willing to sacrifice the grand project, cause 'kaygi' ayaa khatar ku jira with oromos now being sent to plant new population growth rate. @PuntiteQueen will push us 'un-biased' Somalis like me wallahi, all I want is a solution, I don't care what that solution is, but @PuntiteQueen camp is looking very favorable cause what is there in hamar except 'xalane' shipping containers where U hold foreign conferences, a villa somalia that is rpg attacked, a shabab courts in afgoye handling all govt matters, shabab that collects taxes from even the MINISTERS IN SFG. Come on bruv, even white man doesn't trust u in XALANE, and u expect Puntite to trust u after 30 year civil war.

Puntite is simple person sxb with simple words. GO CLEAN YOUR HOUSE. Which means intadan somalinimo ii sheegin, taada soo hagaajiso, markay aragto inaad adigu ladan tahay, markasi I am sure she will calm down and not fear joining a blood fest for 30 years.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Exactly Dr Osman


Clean your own house first, don't make me clean yours. Simple concept!

 

[Som]

I'm sure that even if Xamar becomes stable within 10 years you guys will still be against it because you hate being ruled by a central govt.
Let's agree to disagree.
In the meantime I respect puntland achievements and congratulate you on that, but I don't like borderline separatism masked by federalism

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

I'm sure that even if Xamar becomes stable within 10 years you guys will still be against it because you hate being ruled by a central govt.
Let's agree to disagree.
In the meantime I respect puntland achievements and congratulate you on that, but I don't like borderline separatism masked by federalism

We want stability and the best for Mogadishu but we don't want to rule Mogadishu or for Mogadishu to rule us.

Let's respect each other's desire for self rule.

21 years of Siyad Barre was enough of a nightmare and we all know how that ended.

We agreed to be part of the same nation but don't push us.