Prof. Ghandi: Origins of Somali

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

A worthy research of the late Prof. Ghaandi.
This was an interesting discovery. The name Somali being corrupted form of an Arabic word 'ذو المال (affluent), which became => Zul Maal, and deformed as => Somal'. It is full of gems, and I shall try to summarise it if time permits.

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[Mayor]

I've heard of the Zul Maal theory before from a guy on Reddit a few years back. These sorts of discussions always interest me.

I'm going to bookmark this post so I can watch these videos when I have the time. Thanks for sharing.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

There is actually a lot of good info. in here. I also came across one by the late Said M Gees some yeas ago, and it too had some good data. I shall link it up should I locate it.

 

[Mayor]

There is actually a lot of good info. in here. I also came across one by the late Said M Gees some yeas ago, and it too had some good data. I shall link it up should I locate it.

Please do if you can. I'd definitely want to see that as well

 

[mohammdov]

The origin of the word Somali is clear
The Somalis were divided into sections like Toomaal Blacksmiths،، And the fishermen biyomaal
But the majority were shepherds That's why this name is the one that spread Soomaal
The same meaning for the word Arabs means nomads and Kurds means mountain dwellers
Thus, most of the peoples of the world bear the name of the thing by which they are known

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

The origin of the word Somali is clear
The Somalis were divided into sections like Toomaal Blacksmiths،، And the fishermen biyomaal
But the majority were shepherds That's why this name is the one that spread Soomaal
The same meaning for the word Arabs means nomads and Kurds means mountain dwellers
Thus, most of the peoples of the world bear the name of the thing by which they are known

Biimaal were never fishermen historically not in south , unless you beleive they were fishermen up north prior to migration south

 

[Himmler]

Adulite texts describe a people called “Solate” from the 3rd century

 

[NidarNidar]

Biimaal were never fishermen historically not in south , unless you beleive they were fishermen up north prior to migration south

Biimaal were farmers historically, Toomal blacksmiths, and Soomal nomadic herders, these names probably existed long before and were archaic to our ancestors, there is only so much you can gather from the web, but the oldest use of Somali dates back to the 8/9th century, other called us Barbaria or Pipali before this.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

A suggestion: if we could watch, take notes, and pay attention to the good professor's doctoral research, and critique it favourably or not, where applicable.

 

[Himmler]

other called us Barbaria or Pipali before this.

Solate or Rauso aswell possibly

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

Biimaal were farmers historically, Toomal blacksmiths, and Soomal nomadic herders, these names probably existed long before and were archaic to our ancestors, there is only so much you can gather from the web, but the oldest use of Somali dates back to the 8/9th century, other called us Barbaria or Pipali before this.

Farmers up north? In south they weren't, not the biimaal udub they were pastoralists

 

[NidarNidar]

Farmers up north? In south they weren't, not the biimaal udub they were pastoralists

They also lived in the Ethiopian region.

 

[Emir of Zayla]

A worthy research of the late Prof. Ghaandi.
This was an interesting discovery. The name Somali being corrupted form of an Arabic word 'ذو المال (affluent), which became => Zul Maal, and deformed as => Somal'. It is full of gems, and I shall try to summarise it if time permits.

Part I:


Part II:

This sounds ridiculous, most Somalis historically didn’t speak Arabic so why would our ethnic name be derived from it? How hard is it to believe it has Cushitic origins? Everyone looks for outside influence on Somalis when it could’ve just been native.

 

[Cartan Boos]

Biimaal were farmers historically, Toomal blacksmiths, and Soomal nomadic herders, these names probably existed long before and were archaic to our ancestors, there is only so much you can gather from the web, but the oldest use of Somali dates back to the 8/9th century, other called us Barbaria or Pipali before this.

Pipali seems like like corrupt version of Somali,

 

[Nin123]

A worthy research of the late Prof. Ghaandi.
This was an interesting discovery. The name Somali being corrupted form of an Arabic word 'ذو المال (affluent), which became => Zul Maal, and deformed as => Somal'. It is full of gems, and I shall try to summarise it if time permits.

Part I:


Part II:

I thought Somali name came from the word soo maal in af Somali and it means basically go and milk the goat or the camel.

 

[Maakhri from dhahar]

A worthy research of the late Prof. Ghaandi.
This was an interesting discovery. The name Somali being corrupted form of an Arabic word 'ذو المال (affluent), which became => Zul Maal, and deformed as => Somal'. It is full of gems, and I shall try to summarise it if time permits.

This is not true .

What you wrote is the professor's attempt to explain the origin of the word " Soomaal " but the professor Ghaandi was wrong in his opinion .

The word " Soomaal " comes from the Somali language and means
" regularly moving nomad " .

I will soon have a topic that will explain to you the true meaning of the word “ soomaal ” .

 

[Maakhri from dhahar]

Pipali seems like like corrupt version of Somali,

you right .

We have to study how the phonemes of letters change in different languages .

As you can see, the word " Pipali " is a corruption of the word " Berberi", which is also a corruption of the word " soomaal ".

The word " Soomaal " comes from the Somali language and means
" regularly moving nomad " .

I will soon have a topic that will explain to you the true meaning of the word “ soomaal ” .

 

[mohammdov]

Biimaal were never fishermen historically not in south , unless you beleive they were fishermen up north prior to migration south

Yes, they lived in the north, and perhaps this was their grandfather’s surname, and they carried the surname

 

[Yami]

If you're going to have Arabs even give you an ethnic name might as well just language shift at that point

 

[Yami]

Adulite texts describe a people called “Solate” from the 3rd century

Below is the inscription of the campaigns by this Eritrean King. I'll also be linking the source further down in this post for anyone that's curious.

". . . and after I had commanded the peoples near my country to maintain the peace, I entered valiantly into battle and subdued the following peoples; I fought the Gaze, then the Agame and the Siguene, and, having conquered, I reserved for myself half of their lands and their peoples. The Aua and Singabene and Aggabe and Tiamaa and Athagaous and Kalaa and the Samene people who live beyond the Nile in inaccessible mountains covered with snow where tempests and cold are continuous and the snow so deep that a man sinks up to the knees, I reduced to submission after having crossed the river; then the Lasine, and Zaa and Gabala, who inhabit very steep mountains where hot springs rise and flow; and the Atalmo and the Beja and all the people who erect their tents with them. Having defeated the Taggaiton who dwell up to the frontiers of Egypt I had a road constructed going from the lands of my empire to Egypt.

"Then I fought the Annine and the Metine who live on precipitous mountains as well as the people of Sesea. They took refuge on an inaccessible peak, but I besieged them on all sides and captured them, and chose among them young men and women, boys and virgins. I retained also their goods.

"I defeated also the barbarian people of Rauso who live by the aromatics trade, in immense plains without water, and the Solate, whom I also defeated, imposing on them the task of guarding the sea-lanes.

"After I had vanquished and conquered, in battles wherein I personally took part, all these peoples so well protected by their impenetrable mountains, I restricted myself to imposing tribute on them and voluntarily returning their lands. But most peoples submitted of their own free will and paid me tribute.

"I sent an expedition by sea and land against the peoples living on the other side of the Erythraean Sea, that is the Arabitas and the Kinaidokolpitas, and after subjugating their kings I commanded them to pay me tribute and charged them with guaranteeing the security of communications on land and sea. I conducted war from Leuke Kome to the land of the Sabaeans.

"I am the first and only of the kings my predecessors to have subdued all these peoples by the grace given me by my mighty god Ares, who also engendered me. It is through him that I have submitted to my power all the peoples neighbouring my empire, in the east to the Land of Aromatics, to the west to the land of Ethiopia and the Sasou; some I fought myself, against others I sent my armies.

"When I had re-established peace in the world which is subject to me I came to Adulis to sacrifice for the safety of those who navigate on the sea, to Zeus, Ares and Poseidon. After uniting and reassembling my armies I set up here this throne and consecrated it to Ares, in the twenty-seventh year of my reign."

About some of the names in the text, the same source says,

• The 8th to 10th century manuscripts in which this inscription is preserved have some explanatory glosses about some of these names; thus Gaze apparently means the Aksumites, still called Agaze, the Siguene are the Suskinitai, the tribes near Adulis are called the Tigretes (the earliest mention of Tigray?), the Tiamaa are the Tziamo and Gambela, the Atalmo and Beja are the Blemmyes, the Taggaitai (Tangaitai) are also called Attabite.. and Adra..s, the Sesea are tribes of Barbaria, the Solate are those living by the sea in Barbaria, called the Tigretai of the coast in Barbaria, and Sasou is the furthest part of Ethiopia, beyond which lies the ocean and the Barbareotes who traffic in incense.

It's pretty much confirmed that the Solate were Somalis since we all know what "Barbaria" here refers to. Not to mention that this is possibly the earliest mention of Somalis at that since Solate sounds very similar to our ethnic name. Zumaal kullaha



Here's a PDF of the source. "Aksum, An African Civilization of Late Antiquity".