PM Khayre to lead Somaliland region talks in a new plan

[Abdillahi]

There was no permanent government 30 years ago but chaos. It was only in 2012 Somalia went past the transitional period.

What i meant to say is. The problems of the civil war have their roots in how Somalilanders where treated under the military government. There was no representation of Somaliland in the government of the 1970s which lead to the armed resistance movements of the 1980s. Now we can debate if it was wise for SNM to take up arms but the result is still the same.

 

[madaxweyne]

Menelik? He never reached really into Somali territory except the absolute edges and that was after the fall of Harar. You do realize Somali Galbeed fell to the british right? How else do you think the Sayid was buried in the edge of Somali region today?

At the event of a referendum they will just start reigniting a bunch of faux “historical” land claims and then that will essentially make it impossible for article 39 to ever be invoked. Oromos will pretty much only accept a “referendum” when the only places seceding are Qabri Dehre and Wardheer if even that.

Somali galbeed was already conquered by Menelik after the fall of Harar jgjga was under his control and so where many other areas only a few portions wasn't and was under some Somali sultanate like the olol dinle ajuraan dynasty also held some areas later the Italians would incorporate them and with pressure from the UK in the second world war defeated Italy and handed the land back to Ethiopia

Somali galbeed was given away because of Ethiopian pressure Britain restored areas they lost to Italy including olol dinle territory and most of Ogaden that the Italians didn't own

 

[Odkac WRLD]

“segments of Somaliland region became paranoid of President Farmaajo leading the talks due to him hailing from the same community as Siad Bare.”

 

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Somali galbeed was already conquered by Menelik after the fall of Harar jgjga was under his control and so where many other areas only a few portions wasn't and was under some Somali sultanate like the olol dinle ajuraan dynasty also held some areas later the Italians would incorporate them and with pressure from the UK in the second world war defeated Italy and handed the land back to Ethiopia

Somali galbeed was given away because of Ethiopian pressure Britain restored areas they lost to Italy including olol dinle territory and most of Ogaden that the Italians didn't own

The areas that fell under his control (through european arms) was harar and its vicinity alongside JigJiga and Dire Dhabe. I can’t be sure of your familiarity with the area but that is the absolute edge of Somalidom. How do you think after the fall of the Taleex many Dervishes managed to travel to Gedo and Jubbada Hoose? How do you think the Sayid was buried in Imey the border of Somalidom?

The reason a Harari was appointed as the “governor of the Ogaden” was because that was mostly the extant of where ethiopia reached. The best Ethiopia could do was raid reer baadiyo and call it taxes.

(this is derailment let’s continue this another time)

 

[madaxweyne]

The areas that fell under his control (through european arms) was harar and its vicinity alongside JigJiga and Dire Dhabe. I can’t be sure of your familiarity with the area but that is the absolute edge of Somalidom. How do you think after the fall of the Taleex many Dervishes managed to travel to Gedo and Jubbada Hoose? How do you think the Sayid was buried in Imey the border of Somalidom?

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The reason a Harari was appointed as the “governor of the Ogaden” was because that was mostly the extant of where ethiopia reached. The best Ethiopia could do was raid reer baadiyo and call it taxes.

(this is derailment let’s continue this another time)

lool i thought Abdullahi Sadiq was a Somali anyhow your right we should continue the discussion another time

anyhow just to wrap up sahib the point i was trying to make was ethiopia was a recognized country under the united nations which it was a member of the darawiish wasn't so was olol dinle ajuraan kingdom basically all the lost areas of Ethiopia that the Italian took was returned to Ethiopia which also included olol dinle and darawiish as well since Italy and the british empire didn't own them Ethiopia requested it and was granted these areas since it was a recognized nation.

 

[Gadhwayne]

What i meant to say is. The problems of the civil war have their roots in how Somalilanders where treated under the military government. There was no representation of Somaliland in the government of the 1970s which lead to the armed resistance movements of the 1980s. Now we can debate if it was wise for SNM to take up arms but the result is still the same.

Isaaq genocide is not the main justification for SL withdrawal from the union. It mainly the South violating the terms of union starting 1960, before Afweyne. plus the South has NOT ratified the SL Law of Union. Not yet

 

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lool i thought Abdullahi Sadiq was a Somali anyhow your right we should continue the discussion another time

anyhow just to wrap up sahib the point i was trying to make was ethiopia was a recognized country under the united nations which it was a member of the darawiish wasn't so was olol dinle ajuraan kingdom basically all the lost areas of Ethiopia that the Italian took was returned to Ethiopia which also included olol dinle and darawiish as well since Italy and the british empire didn't own them Ethiopia requested it and was granted these areas since it was a recognized nation.

so many things to add i’m gonna have to do a masterclass on the history of Somali Galbeed because you got dooped during that Cushitic phase you had on here.

 

[madaxweyne]

so many things to add i’m gonna have to do a masterclass on the history of Somali Galbeed because you got dooped during that Cushitic phase you had on here.

cushitic phase lool i think you mean Cushitic unity between cushites yeh that's a buried topic anyhow i don't think you understood my point regardless I'm planning on doing a thread about this topic soon as were kind of derailing the thread it's an interesting topic and yeh I agree a history section on this seems appropriate for this topic

 

[Shmurda]

What's Abiy's dream scenario in Somalia?

Farmaajo is an Ethiopian puppet so its in Abiys best interest if he controls Somaliland

 

[Awdalia Rising]

Farmaajo is an Ethiopian puppet so its in Abiys best interest if he controls Somaliland

it’s actually in abiys best interest to keep SL and Somalia going at eachother for long as possible. Abiy is a puppet himself the powers behind the scene are calling the shots here

 

[BigBreak]

Only demented dotards (aka Dhofar Ismail caste) believe Somaliland will reunite with the fake paper state "a". The only way out is SL being unanimously recognised as a sovereign country, which in turn is the only to bring back Koonfuria talyaani back from the dead

 

[shum33]

Farmaajo is an Ethiopian puppet so its in Abiys best interest if he controls Somaliland

Neigther abiy or farmajo has a say in SL affairs

 

[Jiron]

Hopefully these talks lead to productive outcome

 

[Louis Vuitton Don]

Why do people want to have talks with somaliand?Let them wither away in their enclave. It’s no gain or loss if the status quo keeps going.