PL/JL Should Fight For Confederation Status

[DR OSMAN]

This podcast is about PL/JL model around getting confederation status under two system one nation political proposal following in the spirit of china/hong kong 99 year agreement of two systems one nation model. I suggest this system is best as cooling off period between south-central region vs PL/JL and as a way to restore trust after we see proof the 'south central' regions can work together under center leaning federalism and if it has led to produces positive results, the time frame is 99 years before PL/JL re-visit their confederation status with Somalia.

We can also assign SL an 'isolated' status and let them stay in their 'limbo' it doesn't bother us or the nation, the loss is totally on their side.

 

[BigBreak]

No chance, when Farmajo is replaced by a HAG expect the Tigray scenario to occur

 

[Som]

This podcast is about PL/JL model around getting confederation status under two system one nation political proposal following in the spirit of china/hong kong 99 year agreement of two systems one nation model. I suggest this system is best as cooling off period between south-central region vs PL/JL and as a way to restore trust after we see proof the 'south central' regions can work together under center leaning federalism and if it has led to produces positive results, the time frame is 99 years before PL/JL re-visit their confederation status with Somalia.

We can also assign SL an 'isolated' status and let them stay in their 'limbo' it doesn't bother us or the nation, the loss is totally on their side.

Honestly it's not going to work.
China had this systems because Hong Kong had a completely different history as a capitalist british ruled area surrounded by Communist China. What justification do JL a PL have to claim the one nation two systems thing? I think this is just a way to balkanize Somalia into several independent states. Usually confederations are one step before full disintegration of countries kinda like Czechoslovakia before splitting into two different states or the USSR in the last moments before dissolution.
And look at how things are in Hong Kong, now that China wants to fully integrate HK the people are refusing.
It's not something suitable for somalis.

 

[Rivaldo]

No chance, when Farmajo is replaced by a HAG expect the Tigray scenario to occur

Have you seen the calibre of the presidential candidates? When the best amongst them is Farmaajo I don't think Jland/Pland got anything to worry about

 

[DR OSMAN]

Have you seen the calibre of the presidential candidates? When the best amongst them is Farmaajo I don't think Jland/Pland got anything to worry about

Well they can hold the nation back into stalemate and wasted 4 years, when we became a federal region in 98, imagine we continued going to those nationalized government models, PL would be stuck where it is 22 years ago.

I am saying let's bite the bullet and do a 99 year confederation deal with Mogadishu and revisit federation at a much later time and in the mean-time get an observer status in somalia govt and we can finally not butt heads and end up in silly deadlocks which could be the south agenda to keep us held down with them thru deadlock and not moving forward.

These guys are still stuck with insurgency after 12 years, do u think it's wise strategically to put puntland in this 'waiting status' for another 12 years considering the amount of tasks we can complete and hand to our next generation, remember it was the generation before us who handed us puntland, let this generation hand us a 99 year confederation model so we can spend the next century not sitting htere waiting for the south central to get it's act together because only they win the spoilers then cuz they keep us to a stalemate over their 'jambals'

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Dalalos_ibn_Adali our nationalist generation(syl and mix of siyad barre generation) handed us Puntland, Generation X will hand PL/JL a confederate model with Somalia for 99 year 'two system one nation' framework and multiparty politics.

Generation Y will hand down to mellenials a strong puntland following an economic model of urbanisation migration plan from rural in planned 'transition' into middle income economics where we have our banking arms doing loans for home owners and new businesses, our local arm will be divided into unskilled and skilled ratio and developing 'business start' up. My generation Y will create an architecture and transition plan to create a HIGHER HDI population across all their production.

What is Sade going to do about HAG political capital(gm and hs) their stuck in bribes to become shareholders in hormuud and seeking govt positions so they can join the black market rackets in hamar off the back of 'somalinimo' govt and their handing nothing to their next generation like Puntland does every 30 years, puntland is going into different stages of political-economical-social-security development. We expect every 25-30 years which is a new generation to hand us over into milestones for puntland transition into middle income economics.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Dalalos_ibn_Adali

Puntland is 'center right' state in strong support for historical institutions such as Isimo-clerics plus their political philosophy is a 'states first' not 'federal govt' first, they prefer a weak or ceromonial federal govt with power vested into the state government.

They prefer a market-place that is capitalist with no regulations to create a middle class and they hold a strong security first politics.

This is SYL and Siyad barre generation and possibly generation X, but I suspect 'generation Y' we are similar and want to introduce center left politics like Ilhan Omar who is leading the way, where we are strong supporters of certain historical institutions such as 'tribe' and 'isimo' but not 'religion' and prefer a social structure grounded in respect of freedom of religion, thought, speech, and congregation.

I want Puntland to introduce center left economic party so we can graft a socialist market place where we grow our middle class not our top 1% thru govt interventions such as land subsidies to poorer segments, unions, govt laws around work conditions. We want the majority of our GDP in the hands of middle class engine not the 'top 1% oligarchy. I suspect each puntite generation is different. But Syl and Siyad Barre generation are still in the power scene. Generation X haven't even entered only a few have like that mursuade 'caynte' is typical generation x'er'.

Generation Y is lining up in western instututions like me and ilhan omar and so many more working for international or govenment organisation in the diaspora. Generation Mellenial are just entering university or still in high school and this generation is bin laden generation as they grew up around this 'strict islam' nonsense.

Mellenials are going to be silly 'terrorist' generation as they grew up post bin laden so it's us generation Y when we get into politics really need to secularize puntland into a state that is freedom first and human rights and isolate religion from the political scene and put it back where it belongs which is 'personal choice' category not a 'legal law' since it's not by force to follow Islam.

We need to reform these mellanials and mentor their ass out of post bin laden world before they send Somalia all into a 'theocracy' like Iran and be black listed by the world community thru economic-security and political sanctions. They are already the generation is-qarxinyo, imagine when we generation y'ers disappear to educate the mass about our time period where it was not religious and people got along just fine.

Generation Y is the best generation and I am 'biased' I know but it is. We had the greatest hip hop era of pac-biggy-dmx-diddy-nas-50 cent-eminem. I was kid listening to all their raps and the world was much different place and religion and shit was seen as not even a topic discussed, wallahi no-one even cared or discussed religion, this is the world I want to return puntland too but if generation y miss their opportuity and generation mellenials come into power, we r goingg to become a damn saudi even though generation y maxamed salman is also our generation and his heavily secularizing as u can see. Generation Y is secular center left generation