People from North Sudan are not related in any way to Horn of Africans.

[World]

Horn of Africans all have relatively similar genetics and come from the same people thousands of years ago, but what on earth do North Sudanese people have in common with us? They're Arab / Dinka mutts from 700 years ago(Arab men who mixed with Nubian women), speak an Arabic language and look nothing like us. They are North Africans. I am not including the Beja people who form a tiny minority of North Sudan.

People need to stop lumping us together with North Sudan people who are completely unrelated and have nothing in common with us.

 

[Kudhufo Kadhaqaq]

Great post bro

 

[Yonis]

thought this was common knowledge

 

[World]

thought this was common knowledge

Not as common as you thought. I've noticed that North Sudan is often lumped together with the rest of Horn of Africa when we have just as much in common with Caribbeans (i.e, none).

 

[government]

Horn of Africans all have relatively similar genetics and come from the same people thousands of years ago, but what on earth do North Sudanese people have in common with us? They're Arab / Dinka mutts from 700 years ago(Arab men who mixed with Nubian women), speak an Arabic language and look nothing like us. They are North Africans. I am not including the Beja people who form a tiny minority of North Sudan.

People need to stop lumping us together with North Sudan people who are completely unrelated and have nothing in common with us.

North Africans are actually closer to us than them

 

[Jake from State Farm]

I live in an area with a lot of sudanis. So A lot of the Arabs in my area usually assume I'm sudani before I tell them I'm Somali

 

[yuusufdiin]

Aren’t the north sudanese mixed with the nilotics that have west african admixture and not the pure nilotics?

 

[TooMacaan]

The majority of North Sudanese look phenotypically closer to Horn Africans, than they do to North Africans or even Nilotes (regardless of genetic facts)...that's probably where the feeling of a 'connection' stems from. Beyond resemblance...shared religion & culture [*to an extent*] could have something to do with it too.

In the west, some of these groups also go through similar struggles in terms of identity (i.e. 'black' Muslims [whose 'blackness' is "questioned"/whose religion is an enduring heritage & was adopted peacefully rather than via conquest]).

Anyways, I'm pretty sure Nubians aren't of Dinka ancestry. Are you maybe confusing them with the Nuba peoples?

 

[World]

Aren’t the north sudanese mixed with the nilotics that have west african admixture and not the pure nilotics?

Yep. Before Islam, the North Sudan people looked like people from South Sudan. Then they were conquered by Arabs after Islam who intermixed with Nubian women whilst the Nubian men were sold off as slaves or killed.

These were the inhabitants of North Sudan before Islam(Ancient Egyptian portrayal).

Look at their hair, and look at the hair of people from South Sudan today:

 

[Kudhufo Kadhaqaq]

Aren’t the north sudanese mixed with the nilotics that have west african admixture and not the pure nilotics?

Been wondering for awhile why alot of North Sudanese get somewhere between 5-10% West African on 23andme.

 

[offensive bias]

Yep. Before Islam, the North Sudan people looked like people from South Sudan. Then they were conquered by Arabs after Islam who intermixed with Nubian women whilst the Nubian men were sold off as slaves or killed.

These were the inhabitants of North Sudan before Islam(Ancient Egyptian portrayal).

Look at their hair, and look at the hair of people from South Sudan today:

you are wrong..

north sudan is a location where most of cushtic people of ethiopia lived,
there was a migration towards the highlands in 3000bc.
The nilotic invasions happened quite late historically they even expanded into the great lakes displacing the ancestors of somali and oromo in kenya to the north..

north sudanese are a big mixing pot of ancient egyptian, cushitc, arab and nilotic.


this is why they still look like us somewhat..

the beja mixed allot with the arab sudanese, i still mistake mostly beja sudanese for somalis, and most sudanese confuse me for sudanese., from kassala or jazira.

 

[World]

you are wrong..

north sudan is a location where most of cushtic people of ethiopia lived,
there was a migration towards the highlands in 3000bc.
The nilotic invasions happened quite late historically they even expanded into the great lakes displacing the ancestors of somali and oromo in kenya to the north..

north sudanese are a big mixing pot of ancient egyptian, cushitc, arab and nilotic.


this is why they still look like us somewhat..

the beja mixed allot with the arab sudanese, i still mistake mostly beja sudanese for somalis, and most sudanese confuse me for sudanese., from kassala or jazira.

Cushitic people were nomads, not farmers. They didn't settle in the Nile River, and if they did then they wouldn't have migrated South into the Ethiopian highlands(where they then settled) and further south all the way to Tanzania. The Beja are the only Cushitic people(also nomads) who live in the Red Sea region between Egypt-Sudan which was the ancient Cushitic migratory path.

 

[offensive bias]

there are some people who consider the kerma culture of ancient nubia to be cushtic,
the language hasnt been deciphered yet, but it was before the nilotic movements.

 

[TheSayid]

Yep. Before Islam, the North Sudan people looked like people from South Sudan. Then they were conquered by Arabs after Islam who intermixed with Nubian women whilst the Nubian men were sold off as slaves or killed.

These were the inhabitants of North Sudan before Islam(Ancient Egyptian portrayal).

Look at their hair, and look at the hair of people from South Sudan today:

pretty sure thats a omotic from south ethiopia, dinkas are those super dhuxul ones

 

[offensive bias]

have you seen omotics?? i have they look like dinka,
just shorter...

remember phenotype(looks) and genotype(genes) are different.
those nilotic looking fuckers ( omotics) are some of our closest in terms of genetics.

 

[World]

have you seen omotics?? i have they look like dinka,
just shorter...

remember phenotype(looks) and genotype(genes) are different.
those nilotic looking fuckers ( omotics) are some of our closest in terms of genetics.

They absolutely aren't. Somalis are the only Horn of Africans who completely lack any Omotic admixture.

 

[offensive bias]

consider that massive climatic changes like younger dryas, happened several times,
the nile valley as a refuge with constant access to water and part of a massive system of river valleys all the way to the chad lake.
This allows it to act as a suction cup, drawing populations into it and also due to competition forcing people to head to the mountains .
consider that this happened several times in the 30,000 years.
with forward and back migration up and down the nile valley from the levant into east africa.
and also consider the founder affect and the look of isolated populations, and the constant mixing of populations...

the picture painted is more complicated.

 

[World]

http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1006976

Study: all Sudanese people apart from Beja are unrelated to Horn of Africans.

 

[MrSalih]

 

[GeelJirito]