Othering / Ajnabis dictating our identity

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Saw this weird tweet by a uk caadan.

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The account he’s responding to is on rw twitter. I guess he’s trying to position caribbeans as the british equivalent of FBAs even though AAs have been in America for centuries while caribbeans, like desis, are the descendants of immigrants who left their country in the 20th century.

The account is ran by an caadan american male in London. All of his thoughts on us and how we live our lives are things that he’s picked up from the internet and random assumptions. These internet racists do not know us; they see their mutual tweet about us and repeat whatever qashin they’re saying or just tweet whatever based on assumptions they may have about us because we’re african or because we’re predominantly muslim. Why do caadans who like madow culture or have madow friends try to dictate our identity or other us from being african/madow?

Somalis aren't worrying about being deported meanwhile the immigrants he claims are assimilated are still on edge because their grandparents didn’t apply for sharci properly; desis who don't speak english made sure to apply for citizenship while these people assumed caadans would allow them to stay lol


I have said this before but buzzwords like assimilation and integration are used against minorities whenever racists turn on them like Indians were propped up as perfect immigrants for decades and used as an example against muslim immigrants only for racists to turn on them. AAs are as American as you can be but still experience extreme racism from people who would swap them for random euros despite the fact that they share so much in common with caadans and are literally part caadan.

To people like the OP of the tweet, assimilation = having mixed children & then abandoning them lol it's funny because rw twitter was just seething about an unemployed caribbean male k*lling an caadan man. Before that, they were angry at another caribbean male who k*lled an caadan and a mixed madow male who k*lled an caadan man.

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https://twitter.com/CourtNewsUK/status/1937806112998252899?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1937806112998252899%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

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https://twitter.com/reformparty_uk/status/1958108018169594318?s=46

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https://twitter.com/JamesPGoddard90/status/1908245078562533857

At the end of the day, this is a random tweet from someone but it ties back to a topic I think about sometimes: the othering of somalis in general; Somalis being othered by caadans from blackness who view us as desi adjacent because we’re muslim and because of our admixture/phenotype. The loser who tweeted that lurks on rw twitter and is trying to copy & paste stereotypes about desi enclaves onto uk somalis. & obviously these enclaves don’t exist, there are less than 200k Somalis in the uk vs 1.6 million Pakistanis & 300k+ Jamaicans. There are no Somalis who only live among other Somalis, attending Somali majority schools and living a segregated life where they don’t interact with non-somalis, it’s literally impossible but this is what I mean about us being othered like they’re trying to group uk somalis with nonmadows and imply they live the same lives as them.

People view whatever arabs and desis do as default muslim culture so they assume we go along with it too which is why people will do weird stuff like ask us about honor k*llings or arranged marriages when we don't do that. Both caadans & madows do this btw (associate us with desi/arab practices) but they don’t do it with madow muslims, only somalis. This is just a sly version of racism/islamophobia. Anyone who knows Somalis or even basic info about muslim demographics know who does what and who doesn’t but the main people who would associate us with this are boomer racists who think all muslims are the same & there’s no variation and zoomer/millennial caadans and madows who want to be racist/islamophobic but in a sly way like “i’m just asking questions” type stuff like they know we don’t do this they’re just being racist.

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This started back in the 50s/60s when desis and madows began immigrating to england and desis were othered because of their religion and culture. I wondered if it was simply islamophobia but seeing Indians get criticized by the same types makes me think it’s not; I’ve seen people criticize them for doing well financially but choosing to marry their own. Sorry to post this guy and I disagree with what the tweet says but this video just illustrates my point.

https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1878101357389095087

Now all other muslim immigrant groups experience the same thing & are criticized for not “assimilating”. What does integration even mean when caribbeans do poorly in school?
Somali students outperform black Caribbean students: In 2016, 81% of Somali students in Lambeth achieved grades 9-4 (A*-C) in English and Maths GCSE’s in comparison to 45% of Caribbean pupils (Somali students outperformed by 36 percentage points).



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(81% of somali students achieved grades 9-4 in 2016 vs 45% of caribbean students, page 11, TABLE 4: https://www.lambeth.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2024-02/Somali_Report_Empirical_Evidence_2023.pdf)



In 2018, 78% of Somali students achieved grades 9-4 in English and Maths GCSE’s in comparison to 43% of Caribbean students (Somali students outperformed by 35 percentage points).



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(78% of somali students achieved grades 9-4 in 2018 vs 43% of caribbean students, page 11, TABLE 4: https://www.lambeth.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2024-02/Somali_Report_Empirical_Evidence_2023.pdf)



In 2023, 67% of Somali students achieved grades 9-4 in English and Maths GCSE in comparison to 48% of Caribbean students (Somali students outperformed by 19 percentage points).



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(67% of somali students achieved grades 9-4 in 2023 vs 48% of caribbean students, page 11, TABLE 4: https://www.lambeth.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2024-02/Somali_Report_Empirical_Evidence_2023.pdf)



In KS1, Somali students had a combined reading, writing and math average of 63% whereas Caribbean students had an average of 54% (Somali students outperform by 9 percentage points).



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(somali students achieved an average of 63% vs caribbean students with an average of 54%, page 9, TABLE 2: https://www.lambeth.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2024-02/Somali_Report_Empirical_Evidence_2023.pdf)



In KS2 (ages 7-11), Somali students had a combined reading, writing and math average of 63% in 2023 whereas Caribbean students had an average of 49% (Somali students outperform by 14 percentage points).



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(caribbean students achieved an average of 49% in RWM vs somali students who achieved an average of 63%, page 10, TABLE 3: https://www.lambeth.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2024-02/Somali_Report_Empirical_Evidence_2023.pdf)



61% of Somali FSM students achieved grades 9-4 in English and Maths GCSE’s in comparison to 40% of Caribbean FSM students (Somali FSM students outperformed by 21 percentage points).



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(FSM = free school meals, 40% of caribbean students eligible for FSM achieved grades 9-4 vs 61% of FSM eligible somali students, page 16, TABLE 10: https://www.lambeth.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2024-02/Somali_Report_Empirical_Evidence_2023.pdf)

and get deported despite living in the uk for decades while even the craziest illegals don’t? Like who tf would want to emulate that?

This reminds me of another account on uk twitter who posted about schools and said he wonders who the somali kids are friends with…like why do you care?? So fucking weird & creepy.

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At the end of the day racists will still want to deport all minorities but my post is just to illustrate all the weird commentary people make about us and their strange obsession with. Us being african & muslim leads to all of this discourse about who we identify with, what we identify as & who we associate with and it’s weird asf. Whether we identify as madow or not is up to us but ajanabis trying to dictate our identity or group us with X group is wrong.
 
It's Strange and Exhausting.

It's like people can clearly see and recognize that we are Distinct from the so-called Typical Black Population yet like you said Muslims is just synonymous with Arab and Desis and Somalis are just stuck in this Violent Middle.

The Way I interpret and the solution I offer is that aside from Religious Affiliation we clearly don't share any other similarities with Desi/South Asian and Arabs (aside from slight cultural customs) and with the Typical "Black" Populations we don't share the same Religion/Worldview as them and we are clearly Distinct from them so based on these two conclusions I personally would be of great support at Somali being Sole and Only Identity for us (excluding Muslim ofc)



There is a Guy all the Way in South America, Brazil that recognize Somalis without issue so this just completely expels the narrative that "EvEryoNE iN tHE WorLD SeEs yOu as BlaCk"

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Tbh half the time it doesn’t even feel like they view us as actual people. The way they talk about us is very detached from reality and it’s like we’re an experiment they can theories about instead of an ethnic group. Remember that one cadaan guy that was asking about who Somali school kids befriend? Who tf thinks of this? 😭 This is why I always say people in the uk who happen to know about Somalis are too obsessed.

And while this is mostly online, I’ve noticed it irl too. Some ghetto cadaans start parroting whatever their madow friends tell them about us, then try to hate on Somalis, even though Somalis and cadaans rarely clash in the UK because we have no business with eachother. It’s like they’re adopting other people’s stereotypes and forcing it onto us. It’s so weird to me that instead of forming their own experiences or actually knowing anything about us, they consume secondhand narratives from unhinged people and allow that to shape their entire narrative.

Also I can’t help but think of that one madow lady that was posted here yesterday who was talking about how a Somali uber driver kidnapped her. How much do you want to bet that she saw the other lady (who falsely claimed a Somali uber driver harassed her) and decided to copy? Her whole story was off and she was acting weird in the comments talking about how “Somalians” don’t consider themselves black as if that had anything to do with the comments or the fictitious story she was telling. Also, the way she tried to group us with south Asians by saying there was a south Asian in the car who the uber driver was communicating with in a different language… in what world is a Somali uber driver talking in a language other than English to a tj? They group us with non-madows while screeching about how we don’t call ourselves madow, it makes no sense. That’s what I mean when I say people’s narrative about us is shaped by cuqdad, what they see online and what others feed them.
 
they are cadaans like the conservative jews in my city who never assimilated, they have their own restaurants, schools, marry each other, yaa la hadli karo lol

waa cunsirinimo at the end of the day.
 
Tbh half the time it doesn’t even feel like they view us as actual people. The way they talk about us is very detached from reality and it’s like we’re an experiment they can theories about instead of an ethnic group. Remember that one cadaan guy that was asking about who Somali school kids befriend? Who tf thinks of this? 😭 This is why I always say people in the uk who happen to know about Somalis are too obsessed.

And while this is mostly online, I’ve noticed it irl too. Some ghetto cadaans start parroting whatever their madow friends tell them about us, then try to hate on Somalis, even though Somalis and cadaans rarely clash in the UK because we have no business with eachother. It’s like they’re adopting other people’s stereotypes and forcing it onto us. It’s so weird to me that instead of forming their own experiences or actually knowing anything about us, they consume secondhand narratives from unhinged people and allow that to shape their entire narrative.

Also I can’t help but think of that one madow lady that was posted here yesterday who was talking about how a Somali uber driver kidnapped her. How much do you want to bet that she saw the other lady (who falsely claimed a Somali uber driver harassed her) and decided to copy? Her whole story was off and she was acting weird in the comments talking about how “Somalians” don’t consider themselves black as if that had anything to do with the comments or the fictitious story she was telling. Also, the way she tried to group us with south Asians by saying there was a south Asian in the car who the uber driver was communicating with in a different language… in what world is a Somali uber driver talking in a language other than English to a tj? They group us with non-madows while screeching about how we don’t call ourselves madow, it makes no sense. That’s what I mean when I say people’s narrative about us is shaped by cuqdad, what they see online and what others feed them.
I’ve been recently seeing on TikTok the past week these TikTok lives lasting for hours where Madow people have been trying to dictate and lie about Somali men and how we hate them because of our daughters dating them.
 
Yep it's a very weird phenomenon and in the UK they can't keep their mouths shut about us. The Black (specifically carribean) people in the UK try so hard to throw all the hate onto Muslim groups (including us) through their shared Christianity and history despite them being Black but it'll never work as you can see with the the Notting Hill parade discourse going on around social media they will never like anyone non white not even that non western Europeans bc they don’t even like eastern Europeans
 
I’ve been recently seeing on TikTok the past week these TikTok lives lasting for hours where Madow people have been trying to dictate and lie about Somali men and how we hate them because of our daughters dating them.
Obsessed is an understatement, they’re mentally ill. I’ve seen that while I was scrolling on TikTok in the morning. Tell me why I got onto TikTok at midnight and they’re still discussing it 😭😭
 

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Obsessed is an understatement, they’re mentally ill. I’ve seen that while I was scrolling on TikTok in the morning. Tell me why I got onto TikTok at midnight and they’re still discussing it 😭😭
somali-madow couples are extremely extremely rare btw but they were discussing this for hours…this shit isn’t normal. like nobody is picking madow men 🤣

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No one takes English cadaan racists serious these guys will look at your feet when you pass them in the street. Only ones on job are the scots and irish. I've got pro-Reform uncles and they don't say a word to my old man :drakelaugh:
 

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Jobless people truly, keep in mind somalis were outcasted by other black groups being called "alien" and "pirate" and now they are begging it?
Exactly, it’s just like @ditto said…they group us with nonmadows but then complain about us distancing ourselves from madows. They’re discussing our preferences in partners and whether or we not we marry madows just like they do with nonmadows…but if we say that what they’re doing is weird they’ll start screeching about how we’re madow too so they can speak on us or whatever. It’s exhausting dealing with all these weird hypocritical ajnabis
 

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