Only investments can save PM Khayre, not politics

[Cadmus]

that turns from business and development to my clan's developments better than yours in a couple pages. Is their a way to set up another section for members only just for ideas/think tanks im sure a lot of people would appreciate it

Exactly. Every time someone posts even a minute progress in a region different from their own, some tribalist has to boast about his poorly developed region. All our regions are pathetic right now, let's keep it real, but we have more potential then any other African/Gulf/Asian country to become a giant on the world stage. People just have to stop taking pride in mediocrity first. Boasting about hotels and such, while there's not even enough electricity, water and food/agri infrastructure to feed the people outside the capitals.

Somali's are mainly focused on what can make their own family/qabil money. Other countries such as Singapore, Malaysia, South Africa etc, focus on investment that encompass social inclusion and social benefits. Other countries can afford to think about only their own family's business interest, because their governments have provided the infrastructure needed to create a nationally competitive mindset, and an environment based on fair competition. We will never be able to compete with other countries while we have non-existing infrastructure. The government must bring investments to the country, so we can all be allowed to compete with ourselves and the rest of the world.

 

[Von]

@Cadmus with all that you have suggested, why hasn't the government even discussed or set up simple company registry, land ownership framework or talked about the lack of an effective electrical grid?

 

[Kaleel]

that turns from business and development to my clan's developments better than yours in a couple pages. Is their a way to set up another section for members only just for ideas/think tanks im sure a lot of people would appreciate it

If they deviate from topic, you can report them. We have tried different sections, this is the best set up.

 

[Ras]

@Cadmus with all that you have suggested, why hasn't the government even discussed or set up simple company registry, land ownership framework or talked about the lack of an effective electrical grid?

I think the way we currently pass laws in Somalia might be hampering progress.

Those in the parliament are rich business owners and most likely in a monopolistic position due to the barriers in the market.

If you want to take down those barriers (those you mentioned and an overall stronger judiciary) and increase competition then you can forget hoping MP's will vote against their own interests.

We need industry and other ministerial committees with legislative powers that could go round those fat cats.

No doubt there are genuine patriots in Khayre's cabinet that want to start development but they're aware it will be a struggle getting things approved by those in the way.

It's up to Farmaajo and Khayre to figure out how to get around them without pissing them all of at the same time.

However regardless of what concession they offer up; they have to be aware of the segment in the parliament that will oppose them regardless what (foreign agents and development sabetours).

Since MPs are barely in parliament; these committees would get a lot more bills passed.

In most developed countries, MPs are only involved in less than 1%-5% of the bills process.

 

[Inquisitive_]

These kind of topics always ignore the elephant in the room which is the very essence of money.

Everything can be summarised as in "we need large scale investment" but no discussion whatsoever on where your going to get it from? the ramifications of this investment? and more importantly why even go there?

The only options available to those whom believe a solution could come from within this rigged paradigm.

1) Raise the funds from within your family/clan (best option)
2) Raise funds from the wider Somali community (second best option)
3) Take out a Loan from a bank (in this case IMF/World bank with high compounding interest rates selling your entire soul and existence in the process)
4) Foreign Investment (in return for your resources on a dime for the next 100 years as you offer nothing much)


With the large scale infrastructure projects in discussions your only choices are 3/4, you will enrich them beyond belief while you come out piss poor despite the fact they themselves have not put up any collateral other then their worthless fiat paper for which you will pay for dearly with your valuable assets for the next 100 years.

This is how the western world got rich! first through overt physical plunder of the resources of other nations, then through the IMF/World Bank cartels that have continued with the same policies this time by covert means.

Don't be fooled by all these "Aid" money malarky, your lucky if even 0.1% drops in your lap, "aid" money is a business, it's used for extortion and is a legal way to usurp money from Western budgets destined for black budget clandestine ops meant to further enslave you as well as impoverish you!

Now that you understand this scam you will know that the only way out is to think outside of this enclosed paradigm, we have all the key ingredients we need which is food and the relevant skills for self sufficiency, what's missing is the collective awakening & organisation of our people.

The government first focus should be controlling the food production of the country once that takes place banning all NGO's food aid which was used to destroy that industry in the first place, this will require security, those are you two key ingredients of jumping out of poverty.

Once you have those two in check, the government can print it's own debt free currency enforced on everyone very easily! with all foreign currency banned with public executions whomever is found to have it!

You will never get wealthy using the currency of other nations while your own people find your local currency worthless, there is simply no hope for you if your thinking within these confined lunatic self destructive paradigms.

Now the government is able finance infrastructure projects because we have the Somali personnel with the skills/experience in abundance to do this and many cheap workers that have no choice since we control the water/food supply but to provide their labour as a means of getting out of poverty, this is how you get millions of peasants to work in one full swoop (history is a great proof of this)

For good measure other key industries will be created and nationalised as a result so corporate parasites can never grow in influence, whatever little we don't know that are essential for us we will import and reverse-engineer, or reinvent the wheel until we have 100% self sufficiency!

All foreign trade will be on a bartering system or an agreed upon straight currency swap, anything other then that will be rejected, only essential stuff we really need will be imported while we find ways of replicating it.

To realise this we just need 30% of the population to be consciously awake somewhat and organised to make this a reality but unfortunately less then 1% are awake, even in this very topic the elephant in the room is being totally ignored and the cart is being put infront of the horse.

What good is a few high rise builds and roads when 90% of the population lives in abject poverty due to mafiaso debt and all the resources being taken on the cheap to enrich others? 98% of Nigeria's oil revenue goes to foreign investors whom sell the oil back to the Nigerian public at 10x the price? their own bloody oil!

if you can't even diagnose the disease that's been inflicted upon you, then what fucking hope do you have of ever curing yourself from it? The entire Western doctrine can be summed up as follows which both Kenya/Ethiopia employ as well.

He who is the cause of another's advancement is thereby the cause of his own ruin.
Niccolo Machiavelli

 

[Cadmus]

@Cadmus with all that you have suggested, why hasn't the government even discussed or set up simple company registry, land ownership framework or talked about the lack of an effective electrical grid?

That's the trillion $ question Von.

Khayre's 100 days in office so far, is astonishingly unimpressive when it comes to job creation and economic growth. His entire play-book is completely devoid of any tangible plan to bring investments to the country, or even digitize the government so every state employee (incl ministers) leave a digital footprint with regards to corruption etc. This would of course also be applied with regards to land registry archives just as effectively.

Khayre came into this position with a very, very tainted reputation, but we all gave him a chance due to Farmaajo's sheer force and unquestionable patriotism. We gave Khayre a chance because we believe in Farmaajo and the choices he makes for the betterment of the Somali people everywhere.

One thing I've noticed about Khayre, is that he's a good orator and loves to indulge in emotionally charged speeches. If only he didn't lack follow-through. we as well as himself, would all be better off than before the election. The young people on the ground need jobs, this can't be said enough times. People might say that he needs more time, but unfortunately, the job as a Somali PM doesn't afford anyone that luxury, because our country needs rapid advancement. I truly believe that Tarzan would have been a more effective PM in terms of development.

Let's see if Khayre intends to build our country and create jobs for the youth, or if he's only interested in becoming a Somali JFK.

Somalia isn't living on borrowed time, but Khayre is, unfortunately. If only he would see that.

 

[Cadmus]

These kind of topics always ignore the elephant in the room which is the very essence of money.

Everything can be summarised as in "we need large scale investment" but no discussion whatsoever on where your going to get it from? the ramifications of this investment? and more importantly why even go there?

The only options available to those whom believe a solution could come from within this rigged paradigm.

1) Raise the funds from within your family/clan (best option)
2) Raise funds from the wider Somali community (second best option)
3) Take out a Loan from a bank (in this case IMF/World bank with high compounding interest rates selling your entire soul and existence in the process)
4) Foreign Investment (in return for your resources on a dime for the next 100 years as you offer nothing much)


With the large scale infrastructure projects in discussions your only choices are 3/4, you will enrich them beyond belief while you come out piss poor despite the fact they themselves have not put up any collateral other then their worthless fiat paper for which you will pay for dearly with your valuable assets for the next 100 years.

This is how the western world got rich! first through overt physical plunder of the resources of other nations, then through the IMF/World Bank cartels that have continued with the same policies this time by covert means.

Don't be fooled by all these "Aid" money malarky, your lucky if even 0.1% drops in your lap, "aid" money is a business, it's used for extortion and is a legal way to usurp money from Western budgets destined for black budget clandestine ops meant to further enslave you as well as impoverish you!

Now that you understand this scam you will know that the only way out is to think outside of this enclosed paradigm, we have all the key ingredients we need which is food and the relevant skills for self sufficiency, what's missing is the collective awakening & organisation of our people.

The government first focus should be controlling the food production of the country once that takes place banning all NGO's food aid which was used to destroy that industry in the first place, this will require security, those are you two key ingredients of jumping out of poverty.

Once you have those two in check, the government can print it's own debt free currency enforced on everyone very easily! with all foreign currency banned with public executions whomever is found to have it!

You will never get wealthy using the currency of other nations while your own people find your local currency worthless, there is simply no hope for you if your thinking within these confined lunatic self destructive paradigms.

Now the government is able finance infrastructure projects because we have the Somali personnel with the skills/experience in abundance to do this and many cheap workers that have no choice since we control the water/food supply but to provide their labour as a means of getting out of poverty, this is how you get millions of peasants to work in one full swoop (history is a great proof of this)

For good measure other key industries will be created and nationalised as a result so corporate parasites can never grow in influence, whatever little we don't know that are essential for us we will import and reverse-engineer, or reinvent the wheel until we have 100% self sufficiency!

All foreign trade will be on a bartering system or an agreed upon straight currency swap, anything other then that will be rejected, only essential stuff we really need will be imported while we find ways of replicating it.

To realise this we just need 30% of the population to be consciously awake somewhat and organised to make this a reality but unfortunately less then 1% are awake, even in this very topic the elephant in the room is being totally ignored and the cart is being put infront of the horse.

What good is a few high rise builds and roads when 90% of the population lives in abject poverty due to mafiaso debt and all the resources being taken on the cheap to enrich others? 98% of Nigeria's oil revenue goes to foreign investors whom sell the oil back to the Nigerian public at 10x the price? their own bloody oil!

if you can't even diagnose the disease that's been inflicted upon you, then what fucking hope do you have of ever curing yourself from it? The entire Western doctrine can be summed up as follows which both Kenya/Ethiopia employ as well.

He who is the cause of another's advancement is thereby the cause of his own ruin.
Niccolo Machiavelli

International investments and finance is available to Somalia. Almost every country has received investments in the last year except for us.

Money is available, but Khayre and his ministers are sitting on their hands, not knowing how to even set up a website to welcome said investments. How arrogant of Khayre and his ministers to believe that wealthy investors are going to fight against confusion, corruption, tribalism, and on top of that a lack of contact information just to help them out.

You have to hustle and grind in this world, especially if you're the FGS.

Money never sleeps, but Khayre and his minsters are in a deep REM sleep at the moment.

 

[Inquisitive_]

International investments and finance is available to Somalia. Almost every country has received investments in the last year except for us.

Money is available, but Khayre and his ministers are sitting on their hands, not knowing how to even set up a website to welcome said investments. How arrogant of Khayre and his ministers to believe that wealthy investors are going to fight against confusion, corruption, tribalism, and on top of that a lack of contact information just to help them out.

You have to hustle and grind in this world, especially if you're the FGS.

Money never sleeps, but Khayre and his minsters are in a deep REM sleep at the moment.

You haven't read my post and what you are discussing here is our collective enslavement, no investor will invest anything without several times the return and none of these investors themselves offer any collateral other then useless fiat money while they get your primed assets in returns, your advocating for financial colonialism without even knowing.

You want to turn a into a housewife, no country has ever succeeded playing this game unless you call the 5-10% elite colonialist custodians and protectors appointed to protect the loot as success because the other 90% are in abject poverty and will never come out if they think along these poisoned paradigms which they have managed to inculcate into most people.

There is no need to physically force you with chains if I can simply control your mind and let you engineer your own self destruction as you are currently unknowingly advocating for.

The Turkey-Chinese-Iran model of self sufficiency is the way to go, that way you set your own fiscal policies because everything you need is in your own hands, external attacks to plunge you into poverty will not work if you got control of security and the food production which are the industries you must control as a foundation!

For this to happen requires first a general awakening of the people, then the relevant organisation of them, then finally the implementation which is the easiest of them all because we have all the relevant skilled people in abundance but unfortunately most of us are asleep or utterly oblivious.

Why do you think the Zionist sponsored shabab controls all of our most fertile lands and regions? the powers that be know this! whoever controls the food production and currency controls the direction of the country!.

This is exactly what ICU did, you had the awakening first, organisation next, then they took control from Afgooye until Lower Juba with the best fertile lands in their hands, they began to issue their own currency, prices fell everywhere, hence the infiltration then subsequent multinational invasions as well as internal ones began.

It has nothing to do with fighting AlQaida because they support all the terrorist groups in the world, it was to deny the country the means to self sufficiency, it's why Ethiopia is in south-west and shabab all over juba and the other parts of our most fertile soil, you need to understand the game being played here.

The ICU awakening took 2 months to control all of that territory, a similar awakening will do the same, until then there is simply no hope, the government task is very simple! awaken the people, basic security, then step by step control of the food supply by issuing their own currency.

But the way they are collectively behaving is very far from that, you don't pick fights when your in such a dire situation, I doubt they even know how to get us out of it.

 

[Ras]

You haven't read my post and what you are discussing here is our collective enslavement, no investor will invest anything without several times the return and none of these investors themselves offer any collateral other then useless fiat money while they get your primed assets in returns, your advocating for financial colonialism without even knowing.

You want to turn a into a housewife, no country has ever succeeded playing this game unless you call the 5-10% elite colonialist custodians and protectors appointed to protect the loot as success because the other 90% are in abject poverty and will never come out if they think along these poisoned paradigms which they have managed to inculcate into most people.

There is no need to physically force you with chains if I can simply control your mind and let you engineer your own self destruction as you are currently unknowingly advocating for.

The Turkey-Chinese-Iran model of self sufficiency is the way to go, that way you set your own fiscal policies because everything you need is in your own hands, external attacks to plunge you into poverty will not work if you got control of security and the food production which are the industries you must control as a foundation!

For this to happen requires first a general awakening of the people, then the relevant organisation of them, then finally the implementation which is the easiest of them all because we have all the relevant skilled people in abundance but unfortunately most of us are asleep or utterly oblivious.

Why do you think the Zionist sponsored shabab controls all of our most fertile lands and regions? the powers that be know this! whoever controls the food production and currency controls the direction of the country!.

This is exactly what ICU did, you had the awakening first, organisation next, then they took control from Afgooye until Lower Juba with the best fertile lands in their hands, they began to issue their own currency, prices fell everywhere, hence the infiltration then subsequent multinational invasions as well as internal ones began.

It has nothing to do with fighting AlQaida because they support all the terrorist groups in the world, it was to deny the country the means to self sufficiency, it's why Ethiopia is in south-west and shabab all over juba and the other parts of our most fertile soil, you need to understand the game being played here.

The ICU awakening took 2 months to control all of that territory, a similar awakening will do the same, until then there is simply no hope, the government task is very simple! awaken the people, basic security, then step by step control of the food supply by issuing their own currency.

But the way they are collectively behaving is very far from that, you don't pick fights when your in such a dire situation, I doubt they even know how to get us out of it.

If Somalia doesn't play by the rules it'll be seen as a threat to the whole system.

Try fighting against the world when you're done building your infrastructure and educating your citizens.

Somalia won't be the vanguard of your revolution; we'll be swallowed whole without a fight if we ever entertain such thoughts.

The reason why we lost land to Ethiopia and Kenya is because we pissed of a large power (Britain).

One of the main reason why Somalia is in it's current situation is because we tried to play two super powers against each other 40 years ago and pissed them off.

Now you're suggesting that we should piss of the global banking cartel who probably have more influence than the biggest nations?

The Turkey-Chinese-Iran model of self sufficiency is the way to go, that way you set your own fiscal policies because everything you need is in your own hands, external attacks to plunge you into poverty will not work if you got control of security and the food production which are the industries you must control as a foundation!

Turkey; because of historical reasons and by playing Russia off against the West somehow was allowed to build up it's military after ww2 but they always played along with whatever the West wanted. They are signatories to the central banking Basel Accords and pretty much never stir the boat when it comes to important issues.

Iran on the other hand will always be seen as a threat and a headache historically to everyone in it's region, the West and even Asia. They might seem self sufficient but they are actually struggling to maintain a modern economy with the constant sanctions and political obstacles in their way.

Sure you could mine all the materials and grow the food you need domestically but you can't re-invent all the foreign innovations without decades of research and huge investments.

If Somalia is seen as a threat to the global financial system we could easily end up in a similar position as Iran; oppressed for eternity.

 

[Inquisitive_]

@RasCanjero

I agree with your arguments but your ignoring that we are already oppressed by the cabals regardless which we way we lean or go, the USA is claiming the Kacaan government signed over 100% of the resources of our country to them, they are sitting on these bogus illegal contracts to stop other powers from investing.

This means perpetual poverty for you because they don't have the need to go for it now and + scarcity is better as it pushes the prices up, hence there is no deal you can cut with them until they begin to actually need your resources (when they run out of their current resources) you'll forever be at their mercy.

This is why we have been in a state of limbo, these cabals are not invisible and mostly rely upon the ignorance of the populace to get what they want, their schemes have failed in several Latin American countries they had been raping for a decade because of popular revolt of the people with nationalistic leaders.

I am not advocating for any wars to be declared openly, everything should be done via covert means just like they do and that's what I would like the government to focus on, we are in a lose/lose situation, you want to cut some form of enslavement deal which they currently have no interest in whatsoever since they are the sole super power, were as I am advocating to fight for self-sufficiency, controlling our own food supply and awakening the people, there is no easy way out of this quagmire.

 

[Ras]

I am not advocating for any wars to be declared openly, everything should be done via covert means just like they do and that's what I would like the government to focus on, we are in a lose/lose situation, you want to cut some form of enslavement deal which they currently have no interest in whatsoever since they are the sole super power, were as I am advocating to fight for self-sufficiency, controlling our own food supply and awakening the people, there is no easy way out of this quagmire.

No option but get comfortable in slavery unfortunately. I'm already aware we're in a shitty situation but that's because we were stupid enough in the past to think we could've stayed independent and warded off an empire controlling a quarter of the world.

They might not even want to offer us a slavery deal after the last two debacles but trying to piss them off even more would just end up with them throwing us to the 7th level of hell from the 5th level we're currently at.

Blatant attempts to develop self sufficiency from the global financial system is far from covert or extremely difficult to pull off without others noticing they'll have less leverage over us.

At the end you have to ask yourself the question; what's the end goal that you're after.

Is it to improve the living standard of Somalis or gain self determination and sovereignty for Somalis?

Unfortunately in today's global power structure, you can't have both.

 

[Cadmus]

If Somalia doesn't play by the rules it'll be seen as a threat to the whole system.

Try fighting against the world when you're done building your infrastructure and educating your citizens.

Somalia won't be the vanguard of your revolution; we'll be swallowed whole without a fight if we ever entertain such thoughts.

The reason why we lost land to Ethiopia and Kenya is because we pissed of a large power (Britain).

One of the main reason why Somalia is in it's current situation is because we tried to play two super powers against each other 40 years ago and pissed them off.

Now you're suggesting that we should piss of the global banking cartel who probably have more influence than the biggest nations?



Turkey; because of historical reasons and by playing Russia off against the West somehow was allowed to build up it's military after ww2 but they always played along with whatever the West wanted. They are signatories to the central banking Basel Accords and pretty much never stir the boat when it comes to important issues.

Iran on the other hand will always be seen as a threat and a headache historically to everyone in it's region, the West and even Asia. They might seem self sufficient but they are actually struggling to maintain a modern economy with the constant sanctions and political obstacles in their way.

Sure you could mine all the materials and grow the food you need domestically but you can't re-invent all the foreign innovations without decades of research and huge investments.

If Somalia is seen as a threat to the global financial system we could easily end up in a similar position as Iran; oppressed for eternity.

@Inquisitive_ Listen carefully to what he just said here. You're educating yourself extensively, kudos for that, but you need to slow your roll unless you want Farmaajo to go the saddam-ghaddafi route.

You have to play the game and not piss off the true powers as @RasCanjero said.

You want a revolution, but people are dying of hunger and thirst no less. The industrial agricultural infrastructure you're talking about is in the BILLIONS of $, not millions. A modern grain silo storage facility is in the vicinity of +$500 million. That's just the storage site.

Calm down and breath, tpb want you to be pessimistic and depressed, with no room for positivity. That's the real slavery my friend. Thinking that there's no way out.

@RasCanjero Spot on. Even China had to be the world's factory a**hole for nearly 50 years, before they could educate and feed their own people to now having all the power they do.

Investments are available, Khayre just needs to open the doors and welcome them.

 

[Cadmus]

@RasCanjero

I agree with your arguments but your ignoring that we are already oppressed by the cabals regardless which we way we lean or go, the USA is claiming the Kacaan government signed over 100% of the resources of our country to them, they are sitting on these bogus illegal contracts to stop other powers from investing.

This means perpetual poverty for you because they don't have the need to go for it now and + scarcity is better as it pushes the prices up, hence there is no deal you can cut with them until they begin to actually need your resources (when they run out of their current resources) you'll forever be at their mercy.

This is why we have been in a state of limbo, these cabals are not invisible and mostly rely upon the ignorance of the populace to get what they want, their schemes have failed in several Latin American countries they had been raping for a decade because of popular revolt of the people with nationalistic leaders.

I am not advocating for any wars to be declared openly, everything should be done via covert means just like they do and that's what I would like the government to focus on, we are in a lose/lose situation, you want to cut some form of enslavement deal which they currently have no interest in whatsoever since they are the sole super power, were as I am advocating to fight for self-sufficiency, controlling our own food supply and awakening the people, there is no easy way out of this quagmire.

You're thinking about this in a romanticized che guevara type of way.

You CAN achieve agricultural self-sufficiency, by attracting private investments from abroad. We live in a corporate world. Play the corporate game and you can advance without putting yourself or your nation at risk. Look at HSM, he's allegedly accrued over 1 Billion dollars since taking office, and that's just in hard currency, forget about all the real estate around the world and the huge chunk of land outside and inside Xamar. That money was supposed to be used for our people, and he's not the only one mind you. So that kind of money has already come in once when we had a rotten government. If that kind of cash comes to Somalia now, President Farmaajo will make sure it's used for our people and our people only.

We're getting sidetracked here. Let's focus on the positive and realistic steps that we and the government can take to create jobs for our youth. Perhaps leave those topics and points for another thread, i'll gladly chime in if you create an economic thread related to those facts you mentioned.

 

[Inquisitive_]

@RasCanjero @Cadmus

We are mostly on the same page here, as I stated before I don't support any overt measures, that's absolute suicide, I find the reactionary school of thought utterly grotesque, I am of the covert munafiq school of thought when dealing with infidels or hostile enemies with more power.

Our difference is really on the plan and implementations, 'Ras' opinions is to sit back and wait for the empty bone to be thrown at us (may take 50 years) and 'cad' opinion is to court this mythical 'investment' and take it up the ass, no one will come with investment unless you sell out for the next 100 years and even then we are not very attractive to begin with when it comes to investment (which is a blessing)

The Chinese example doesn't fit here, they already had self-sufficiency and didn't need to bend over but did so due to imperial dreams and greed, but their method of great Munafiqnimo covert Art of War philosophy I am a great fan off!, that's what I am essentially arguing for.

We don't need the 500 million grain silo's yet, that's a big leap, we haven't even got the basics down, we hardly have the population for such silos, the purpose of my post was not defeatist but rather understanding how this war is being waged because when you do understand this only then can you fight back effectively, if anything the defeatists are you guys.

Instead of Kheyre courting investment, his short term focus should be security and conquering the nearby fields in Afgooye, this alone will create employment, we have the money for this, we are in the midst of a currency crisis, without security and control over food production (short/medium term goal) good luck solving that.

This talk about HSM getting 1 billion is fake news, you have lost your mind if you believe this, I know very close people to him, he didn't even get the full Saudi money, they only released 10% to him which he used up to bribe people in the election to compete against Farmaajo who was doing the same but I don't want to get caught up in this topic.

I love how you brought up the billion, let's assume someone is crazy enough to give you that money (no strings attached which has never happened) how many people will this employ and for how long? do you have any idea what this foreign currency will do the country? when it runs out which it will very quickly what's next ? another free foreign billions? can you see how unsustainable this is? your are basically arguing for perpetual "welfare" 'dependency' and "tutelage" system.

Again you want a stop-gap very short-term solution that will not only fizzle out but rebound back in devastating effects on the people plunging more and more into abject poverty with the price hikes! that's what all these foreign currency coming in has produced! more poverty on scales we have never seen before.

Your arguing giving away our agricultural base to private foreign investment firms which would be utter suicide far worse then what we currently have and they wouldn't even be interested in it anyway (god thanks for that) because those people want to make massive bucks on their money.

There is no quick fixes here which is essentially what you are looking for, this is a long term struggle, it's ideological that needs to be waged on many fronts and it involves taking back control slowly, a peasant country like Bolivia and many others have achieved this, it requires strategic thinking and long term planning

The whole reason why the IC funds the elections in Somalia is to ensure that stability and equilibrium never comes about, it's why that British agent follows all our leaders everywhere, a leader whom knows he will likely not be back after 4 years with countless opposition, has no other incentive nor critical strategic thinking to do anything else.

The way to counter this is through munafiqnimo clandestine undercover deals with the others while the fake opposition soap opera is played out in public the way the enemies want (since they fund them), but behind closed door a common agenda is formed and sworn upon with the most influential members in secrecy!

This stuff goes beyond one-man saviour BS programmed in us, this is why I liked Sheikh Shariif because in a conversation we had with him that's exactly what he was planning and on his way to executing, his whole motto during his reign was appointing only professionals (Farmaajo, Gaas,Tarzan, Cadow etc and countless others you would have never heard off otherwise)

Whoever was recommended to him! he would check their credentials and track record unlike this government that has appointed alcoholics and well known saaqids, his greater plan was that these people will become well known to the public, have a greater chance of bringing about a change and some day 'take over' rather then a bunch of criminals or saaqids (if he followed that route of appointment)

He was also a cool calm collected person that didn't piss anyone off unlike the reactionary types we have today, however he made one devastating blunder that cost him and some miscalculations that stopped him in his tracks due to a lack of experience and unfortunate circumstances, we also couldn't predict Gaas would turn out the way he did, the people praising Gaas today have Sheikh Shariif to thank!. and those praising Farmaajo have again Sheikh Shariif to thank! the list goes on.

You know a government by the people they appoints and we already know the kinds of people this current government has appointed, hence I don't really see anything changing as such unless there is a drastic turn of events.


This video sums up everything I was talking about, basically a double agent working for the empire exposing how China operates (now that it's too late), we don't even have basic institutes like these

 

[Hatredfree]

What has he done wrong to be ousted?

 

[Mohamedali]

What if we just stop and take time to reflect on the past 8 months that has passed us my somali brothers and sisters.The government is slowly but surely lifting the whole country up without being deemed a threat to the enemies we as a 1 people are now more willing to gain the best for our country this most likely represents the will of the people living in Somalia so even if this government does not reach we're it needs to it leaves a vaccum for nationalists to fill and to finish the job of the previous government we woke from our deep sleep ready to do what it takes

 

[Cadmus]

@RasCanjero @Cadmus

We are mostly on the same page here, as I stated before I don't support any overt measures, that's absolute suicide, I find the reactionary school of thought utterly grotesque, I am of the covert munafiq school of thought when dealing with infidels or hostile enemies with more power.

Our difference is really on the plan and implementations, 'Ras' opinions is to sit back and wait for the empty bone to be thrown at us (may take 50 years) and 'cad' opinion is to court this mythical 'investment' and take it up the ass, no one will come with investment unless you sell out for the next 100 years and even then we are not very attractive to begin with when it comes to investment (which is a blessing)

The Chinese example doesn't fit here, they already had self-sufficiency and didn't need to bend over but did so due to imperial dreams and greed, but their method of great Munafiqnimo covert Art of War philosophy I am a great fan off!, that's what I am essentially arguing for.

We don't need the 500 million grain silo's yet, that's a big leap, we haven't even got the basics down, we hardly have the population for such silos, the purpose of my post was not defeatist but rather understanding how this war is being waged because when you do understand this only then can you fight back effectively, if anything the defeatists are you guys.

Instead of Kheyre courting investment, his short term focus should be security and conquering the nearby fields in Afgooye, this alone will create employment, we have the money for this, we are in the midst of a currency crisis, without security and control over food production (short/medium term goal) good luck solving that.

This talk about HSM getting 1 billion is fake news, you have lost your mind if you believe this, I know very close people to him, he didn't even get the full Saudi money, they only released 10% to him which he used up to bribe people in the election to compete against Farmaajo who was doing the same but I don't want to get caught up in this topic.

I love how you brought up the billion, let's assume someone is crazy enough to give you that money (no strings attached which has never happened) how many people will this employ and for how long? do you have any idea what this foreign currency will do the country? when it runs out which it will very quickly what's next ? another free foreign billions? can you see how unsustainable this is? your are basically arguing for perpetual "welfare" 'dependency' and "tutelage" system.

Again you want a stop-gap very short-term solution that will not only fizzle out but rebound back in devastating effects on the people plunging more and more into abject poverty with the price hikes! that's what all these foreign currency coming in has produced! more poverty on scales we have never seen before.

Your arguing giving away our agricultural base to private foreign investment firms which would be utter suicide far worse then what we currently have and they wouldn't even be interested in it anyway (god thanks for that) because those people want to make massive bucks on their money.

There is no quick fixes here which is essentially what you are looking for, this is a long term struggle, it's ideological that needs to be waged on many fronts and it involves taking back control slowly, a peasant country like Bolivia and many others have achieved this, it requires strategic thinking and long term planning

The whole reason why the IC funds the elections in Somalia is to ensure that stability and equilibrium never comes about, it's why that British agent follows all our leaders everywhere, a leader whom knows he will likely not be back after 4 years with countless opposition, has no other incentive nor critical strategic thinking to do anything else.

The way to counter this is through munafiqnimo clandestine undercover deals with the others while the fake opposition soap opera is played out in public the way the enemies want (since they fund them), but behind closed door a common agenda is formed and sworn upon with the most influential members in secrecy!

This stuff goes beyond one-man saviour BS programmed in us, this is why I liked Sheikh Shariif because in a conversation we had with him that's exactly what he was planning and on his way to executing, his whole motto during his reign was appointing only professionals (Farmaajo, Gaas,Tarzan, Cadow etc and countless others you would have never heard off otherwise)

Whoever was recommended to him! he would check their credentials and track record unlike this government that has appointed alcoholics and well known saaqids, his greater plan was that these people will become well known to the public, have a greater chance of bringing about a change and some day 'take over' rather then a bunch of criminals or saaqids (if he followed that route of appointment)

He was also a cool calm collected person that didn't piss anyone off unlike the reactionary types we have today, however he made one devastating blunder that cost him and some miscalculations that stopped him in his tracks due to a lack of experience and unfortunate circumstances, we also couldn't predict Gaas would turn out the way he did, the people praising Gaas today have Sheikh Shariif to thank!. and those praising Farmaajo have again Sheikh Shariif to thank! the list goes on.

You know a government by the people they appoints and we already know the kinds of people this current government has appointed, hence I don't really see anything changing as such unless there is a drastic turn of events.


This video sums up everything I was talking about, basically a double agent working for the empire exposing how China operates (now that it's too late), we don't even have basic institutes like these

I usually like your posts, but you're rambling on and your absolute ignorance about anything relating to international finance and Foreign Direct Investments is showing as clear as daylight the more you write useless essays. You haven't contributed a single word that is constructive or come up with a single logical and realistic solution that we who have read this thread or the PM can use. I'm starting to loose patience with your fake revolution spiel that derails a very rational and positive thread about single and realistic steps, that can be taken by the one man (PM) who has the international authority to change the country with regards to investments. As I already said to you VERY politely but you chose to willfully ignore, please start a thread of your own relating to the deep state/alternative news side of this. I only wanted to discuss specific steps that the PM and the cabinet took, or have the option to take in order to create jobs. Don't derail this thread, there's plenty of other threads where you can discuss your revolutionary politics. This is not the place nor the time.

1. Somalia needs SEVERAL grain silos of varying sizes in each region. Do you even have any knowledge or expertize within agricultural economics? Because you make blunt and incorrect statements that are emotionally charged but add nothing positive here.

2. I don't care if you know people close to HSM, perhaps rant to him about giving the money back to the orphans and IDP's instead, if you want to preach to someone instead of preaching here.

3. I don't care about your fetish for sheikh shariff. Start another thread for him if you want.

4. You make countless upon countless straw-man statements that you attribute to both @RasCanjero and I, then base an ENTIRE essay on it to oppose anything concrete or positive that we have said in this entire thread.

5. I never said anything about giving away our natural resources our "taking it in the ass" as you so crudely put it, stop making assumptions just so you can be right.

6. Just to show how wrong and ill-equipped you are for this topic, Farmaajo has recently got the backing of the Islamic Bank to provide GUARANTEES for anyone that wants to bring FDI to Somalia, whether a Somali or foreigner. On top of that, the UN already covers investments in Africa for emerging markets to a certain extent.

https://www.miga.org/investment-guarantees

https://www.opic.gov/sites/default/files/docs/africa/bl_somalia11271962_01081964.pdf

40.
Consistent with lessons emerging from fragile and conflict-affected countries,
supply-side reforms are more effective when they are linked with demand for good
governance and effective leadership. As an area for potential scale-up, the World Bank
Institute may further develop the Bank's engagement with civil society and parliamentary
groups, and will draw on an expanding portfolio of global experience with demand side
accountability work and leadership development.

46.
The Bank will continue to address the enabling environment for private investment
through the provision of targeted technical assistance, knowledge generation and direct
engagement with the business community. The Somalia Private Sector Re-engagement Phase
II project39 is planned to expand from Somaliland to include both Puntland and southern
Somalia. As part of the roll-out, IFC's Investment Climate team will initiate a series of public-
private dialogues convening the business community in the three regions and the Bank will
continue to invest in foundational knowledge on the sources of, and constraints to, growth at the
enterprise level. 40 Public private-dialogue and knowledge generation can help identify
constraints to private sector investment and build support in the business community for key
public sector regulation in strategic sectors (see Priority One and Annex III). The Bank will also
consider the roll-out of a matching grant and innovation fund for Somalia, building on the model
of the Somaliland Business Fund (SBF). The current SBF builds in targeting of youth and
women, recognizing the need for inclusive growth approaches in Somaliland; 20 percent of small
grants and 30 percent of large grants under the first round were won by female applicants.
47.
Sustainable and inclusive expansion of economic opportunity requires investment in
strategic infrastructure to increase market access, lower the costs of production and
38 Policy notes focused on pastoralism and livestock, youth employment, energy, water, and urban infrastructure and services.
39 The State and Peace-building Fund project is supported by a multi-donor trust fund that has generated US$29 million for
project activities under phase I and II. Under a third phase the operation will shift its financing source to the new WB-
administered Multi-Partner Fund under the SDRF.
40 The Bank has engaged MIGA in a preliminary dialogue. Somalia represents a good test of a One World Bank Group approach
to support a fragile transition, especially given the key role that foreign diaspora-led investment can play in the reconstruction.

The Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC) is a self-sustaining U.S. Government agency that helps American businesses invest in emerging markets. Established in 1971, OPIC provides businesses with the tools to manage the risks associated with foreign direct investment, fosters economic development in emerging market countries

https://www.opic.gov/doing-business-us/OPIC-policies/where-we-operate
*OPIC has suspended consideration of any new financing and insurance transactions in Russia and Venezuela.

AFRICA AND THE MIDDLE EAST

• Algeria
• Angola
• Bahrain
• Benin
• Botswana
• Burkina Faso
• Burundi
• Cameroon
• Cape Verde
• Central African
• Republic
• Chad
• Comoros Islands

• Congo
• Côte d’Ivoire
• Democratic Republic of Congo
• Djibouti
• Egypt
• Equatorial Guinea
• Eritrea
• Ethiopia
• Gabon
• Gambia
• Ghana
• Guinea

• Guinea-Bissau
• Iraq
• Israel
• Jordan
• Kenya
• Kuwait
• Lebanon
• Lesotho
• Liberia
• Madagascar
• Malawi
• Mali
• Mauritania

• Mauritius
• Morocco
• Mozambique
• Namibia
• Niger
• Nigeria
• Oman
• Rwanda
• São Tomé and
• Príncipe
• Senegal
• Seychelles
• Sierra Leone

• Somalia
• South Africa
• South Sudan
• Swaziland
• Tanzania
• Togo
• Tunisia
• Uganda
• West Bank and Gaza
• Yemen
• Zambia
• Zimbabwe

This is just a few sources, and only western ones to boot. I could literally continue up to +20 points just to show how wrong you are, but I don't want to waste anymore energy here. I've been polite towards you, so have some respect. Please educate yourself, or at least ask questions if you don't know something, most people on SS are kind and helpful, but don't be rude by barging in with ignorance. I can't debate with someone who only has opinions on something as precise and clinical as FDI.

Good day to you.

 

[felloff]

why are grain silos needed? explain please

 

[Cadmus]

why are grain silos needed? explain please

Grain Silos are the #1 defense against famine and crop failure for every country on the planet.

The government designated quota and the excess grains and sorghums that aren't sold on the market, are bought cheaply by the government and stored in grain silos that can store them for very very long periods of time. Otherwise farm produce will parish quickly, especially in a warm and humid climate such as Somalia. Modern grain silos are high-tech, temperature and moisture controlled through digitization. If the rains fail to appear during the next year, or the crops fail nationwide, then the government can provide its own people with free and healthy food aid that isn't genetically modified, and doesn't have to rely on anybody else. You can't have nationwide agricultural production without silos. Grain silos are the very epitome of self-sufficiency and independence.

This prevents both a famine and mass starvation from happening, but it also keeps out western and neighboring enemy states that want to invade the country under the fake guise of "Humanitarian intervention." The Americans engineered a famine by ordering Siad Barre's government to get rid of all grain silos. This was a condition under the rules of the IMF agreement between them and Somalia (and is still applied to other countries to this day.)

A few years later, George Bush Sr. invaded Somalia under something called "Operation Restore Hope," which was masked as a military operation to support UN food distribution, but was secretly to prevent hawiye, daroods, and all the other tribes from reaching peace agreements.

A bit more than what you wanted to know, but I felt it was relevant. Good that you asked, feel free to ask as much as you want.

 

[felloff]

Grain Silos are the #1 defense against famine and crop failure for every country on the planet.

The government designated quota and the excess grains and sorghums that aren't sold on the market, are bought cheaply by the government and stored in grain silos that can store them for very very long periods of time. Otherwise farm produce will parish quickly, especially in a warm and humid climate such as Somalia. Modern grain silos are high-tech, temperature and moisture controlled through digitization. If the rains fail to appear during the next year, or the crops fail nationwide, then the government can provide its own people with free and healthy food aid that isn't genetically modified, and doesn't have to rely on anybody else. You can't have nationwide agricultural production without silos. Grain silos are the very epitome of self-sufficiency and independence.

This prevents both a famine and mass starvation from happening, but it also keeps out western and neighboring enemy states that want to invade the country under the fake guise of "Humanitarian intervention." The Americans engineered a famine by ordering Siad Barre's government to get rid of all grain silos. This was a condition under the rules of the IMF agreement between them and Somalia (and is still applied to other countries to this day.)

A few years later, George Bush Sr. invaded Somalia under something called "Operation Restore Hope," which was masked as a military operation to support UN food distribution, but was secretly to prevent hawiye, daroods, and all the other tribes from reaching peace agreements.

A bit more than what you wanted to know, but I felt it was relevant. Good that you asked, feel free to ask as much as you want.

I like this reply, you are by far one of the knowledgeable members of this forum.

I think Somalia/land should invest in this and animal feed storage. If only the qurbajoog was as interested in Somalia like the Nigerians are with Nigeria we wouldn't need the government. I fear Somalis in the west will be like the Irish Diaspora useless bunch that use their heritage as a unique selling point.