GENETICS My results.....
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Garaad Awal
Former African
Majority of Moroccans are recent migrants from the countryside probably also applies to Algeria.The historical city folks were Moriscos,Jews (some Sephardic & some are the older layers), some Arab & Berber elites/scholars.
Garaad Awal
Former African
@Doctorabdi Your IBM is lower than my son and your natufian slightly higher than him. Your father might be as Arab as my son's grandfather (Arab Hashemite from the Sahara). I'll make a sim of your father
Garaad Awal
Former African
@Doctorabdi Your father's sim result's vs my wife's (maternal Northern Morocco Berber & paternal Arab South)
Doctorabdi
A nomad with no true place
Very intriguing stuff akhi, do you know which tribe your wife's father comes from? I've heard there were yemeni tribes there
Garaad Awal
Former African
She is not from the Bedouin Arab tribes. She is an Ashraaf Hashemite from the same tribe as the King. The Alawite just belong to a different sub-branch of the tribe. They definitely admixed with the Bedouin Arabs of SE Morocco who were mostly Bani Ma3qil and the local Berber tribes of the region. Her ancestor entered in 1265 AD while the Bedouins entered the Maghreb a century earlier Her paternal grandmother is full a blown Berber woman. My wife also has Bani Hilal Hyayna ancestry from a Great Grandmother.
The Arabs of Morocco are mostly Bani Hilal tribes on the Atlantic coast and parts of the North with a minority Bani Ma3qil in SE Morocco & the disputed Moroccan Western Saharan region.
Map of the Yemeni Bani Ma3qil tribe distribution. They are not majority in many of those areas, this is just a map of where they live.
Arabsiyawi
HA Activist.
@Doctorabdi You can try and run your raw data here and it'll predict your Ydna. I tried it with my data from both MyHeritage and 23andme and they were correct. It also works with ancestryDNA.
:https://cladefinder.yseq.net/index.php
:https://cladefinder.yseq.net/index.php
Doctorabdi
A nomad with no true place
It predicts G-L91? Isn't that a european haplogroup
Arabsiyawi
HA Activist.
Haplogroup G is quite widespread and was present in Europe and Western Asia since the neolithic. It can be old in North Africa as well too. Some more recent ones belong to jews in Morocco. On FTDNA 8% of all the testers who put Morocco as a place of paternal origins belonged to haplogroup G.
I'm pretty sure I've read about Alaouites belonging to G-L91.
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The alchemist
VIP
I checked. Really, the same reading. You're higher Arab from your father's side, lower IBM, and with potentially higher historic Islamic western Mediterranean mix since your EEF appears high, and you do have some Eastern Mediterranean type influence that likely could have come with the Arab, or not.
The alchemist
VIP
There are North Africans under G-L91, and they are dated way after the Middle Neolithic (so nothing old or related to the introduction of farming at all). It fits with the Phoenician, Islamic Spain, and Mycenean influence for the specific samples under that clade. Those people were diverse and brought Southern European lineages to North Africa.
An example. I think this is typical Phoenician:
This could have been a Mycenaean influence:
This was likely an introduction from Islamic Iberia:
There is also Roman influence, of course.
It is very highly likely he got it from one of those processes, since no matter, it was a Mediterranean introduction.
The alchemist
VIP
Aren't those people the equivalent of the Gibil Cads? They had an effect in minor forms on the broader urbanizing Moroccan once they got mostly outmixed, but I mean urbanites as in today's large cities' inhabitants. To illustrate an example, if you go to Casablanca and sample random guys on the streets.
I also don't think minorities are the driving force of urbanism. Minorities often come to capitalize on preexisting economies while carving their niche,. Granted, they could have punched above their weight in terms of money and influence. We have to be careful of these elite historiographic interpretations. The Fassi elite family lineages were likely never a majority of Fez.
I once said that the notion that Phoenicians arrived at an empty coastal land, colonizing space untouched in North Africa, was nonsense. Lo and behold, archaeological evidence recently published shows that Berbers lived along the coast before and during the Phoenician presence, substantiating my position that they came to a place already inhabited. The Romans lied when they said: terra nullius
These Fassi people (who are mixed people), Sephardic Jews, and what else, lived in vibrant regions that were economic highlights of the common Berber-Arab Cosmopolitan economic centralization. I do agree that likely most of today's urbanites are partly from a relatively recent influx from the village outskirts. But that cannot be all of them. Urbanism existed for many centuries, heck, Berbers had Urbanism long before Arabs even came to the region.
This was s city around the 3rd century. It was Berber-Roman.
